Rattlehead
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Post by Rattlehead on Nov 20, 2019 14:43:33 GMT -5
My problem with a tank mold is Jeff Hardy, and at this point I think it's too late to fix due to the demons he's currently battling.
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Post by Triple S on Nov 20, 2019 14:44:26 GMT -5
This’ll be the next Topless Mick Foley thread... Ugh.
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Post by CM Poor on Nov 20, 2019 15:01:31 GMT -5
This’ll be the next Topless Mick Foley thread... Ugh. screech and I have already sat down and talked to his truck driving uncle so that on his next trip through the states, he knows to keep a C L O S E eye out for any signs of the elusive "fat torso without a molded singlet" Kassius Ohno/Chris Hero variant that is currently R U M O R E D to be shipping out E X C L U S I V E L Y in cases of E71 being delivered to Bradlees stores.
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Post by Sound888 on Nov 20, 2019 16:52:17 GMT -5
it's the same thing as pulling off a kneepad on an hbk figure and finding out that the base doesn't have hearts.
if someone were to want to make five chis hero customs, they would have to buy ten figures instead of five just for the torsos. that's $200, for what should be a $100 purchase.
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Post by PJ on Nov 20, 2019 17:24:57 GMT -5
it's the same thing as pulling off a kneepad on an hbk figure and finding out that the base doesn't have hearts. if someone were to want to make five chis hero customs, they would have to buy ten figures instead of five just for the torsos. that's $200, for what should be a $100 purchase. Customs and customizers aren’t something that factors into their decisions nor should it. In fact from a business standpoint they should want you to have to buy double the figures if you’re going to take them apart and customize them. And yes I have made plenty of customs/fixups over the years with all the toy lines I collect. Would it be nice? Sure, but that’s not something that factors into their decision making.
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Post by Sound888 on Nov 20, 2019 17:41:51 GMT -5
it's the same thing as pulling off a kneepad on an hbk figure and finding out that the base doesn't have hearts. if someone were to want to make five chis hero customs, they would have to buy ten figures instead of five just for the torsos. that's $200, for what should be a $100 purchase. Customs and customizers aren’t something that factors into their decisions nor should it. In fact from a business standpoint they should want you to have to buy double the figures if you’re going to take them apart and customize them. And yes I have made plenty of customs/fixups over the years with all the toy lines I collect. Would it be nice? Sure, but that’s not something that factors into their decision making. from a business standpoint, they should make the perfect figure straight out of the shop - that means the correct torso choice, correct arms, legs, head, and design, instead of having their customers put parts together. it's a shady business if they "want customers to spend more money," especially considering the high price point of their non-essential product. people have real purchases to make, such as food, and living expenses. losing another $20, which to some states in the US - three hours of work - is greedy.
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Post by PJ on Nov 20, 2019 17:55:02 GMT -5
Customs and customizers aren’t something that factors into their decisions nor should it. In fact from a business standpoint they should want you to have to buy double the figures if you’re going to take them apart and customize them. And yes I have made plenty of customs/fixups over the years with all the toy lines I collect. Would it be nice? Sure, but that’s not something that factors into their decision making. from a business standpoint, they should make the perfect figure straight out of the shop - that means the correct torso choice, correct arms, legs, head, and design, instead of having their customers put parts together. it's a shady business if they "want customers to spend more money," especially considering the high price point of their non-essential product. people have real purchases to make, such as food, and living expenses. losing another $20, which to some states in the US - three hours of work - is greedy. If someone wants to customize something that’s on them not Mattel or whatever toy company released the toy. To sit here complaining that the torso that by design you weren’t meant to see is an unpainted singlet torso is a joke. Yes I agree that things that are designed to be seen without taking it apart should visually be correct. The same could be said if this shirt was designed to be taken off without cutting it, tearing apart the glue or removing limbs. Unfortunately this figure’s torso isn’t one of them. And if people are having such a hard time making ends meet that $20 is a burden them then maybe they shouldn’t be buying five figures to turn into Chris Hero figures.
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Post by Sound888 on Nov 20, 2019 18:29:58 GMT -5
from a business standpoint, they should make the perfect figure straight out of the shop - that means the correct torso choice, correct arms, legs, head, and design, instead of having their customers put parts together. it's a shady business if they "want customers to spend more money," especially considering the high price point of their non-essential product. people have real purchases to make, such as food, and living expenses. losing another $20, which to some states in the US - three hours of work - is greedy. If someone wants to customize something that’s on them not Mattel or whatever toy company released the toy. To sit here complaining that the torso that by design you weren’t meant to see is an unpainted singlet torso is a joke. Yes I agree that things that are designed to be seen without taking it apart should visually be correct. The same could be said if this shirt was designed to be taken off without cutting it, tearing apart the glue or removing limbs. Unfortunately this figure’s torso isn’t one of them. And if people are having such a hard time making ends meet that $20 is a burden them then maybe they shouldn’t be buying five figures to turn into Chris Hero figures. i'm saying $20 is $20. it shouldn't be $40 to buy two figures when the option was there to make one good one for $20. this goes more than an unseen torso, this is mattel saying "the customers aren't going to notice, let's give them our leftovers."
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Post by PJ on Nov 20, 2019 18:39:40 GMT -5
If someone wants to customize something that’s on them not Mattel or whatever toy company released the toy. To sit here complaining that the torso that by design you weren’t meant to see is an unpainted singlet torso is a joke. Yes I agree that things that are designed to be seen without taking it apart should visually be correct. The same could be said if this shirt was designed to be taken off without cutting it, tearing apart the glue or removing limbs. Unfortunately this figure’s torso isn’t one of them. And if people are having such a hard time making ends meet that $20 is a burden them then maybe they shouldn’t be buying five figures to turn into Chris Hero figures. i'm saying $20 is $20. it shouldn't be $40 to buy two figures when the option was there to make one good one for $20. this goes more than an unseen torso, this is mattel saying "the customers aren't going to notice, let's give them our leftovers." They did make one good one. They made an Ohno figure not a Chris Hero figure. Now again if someone wants to turn it into a Chris Hero version that’s not Mattel’s concerns to make sure that their Ohno version can be turned into a Chris Hero version. It’s not a 2 in 1 figure. It’s an unrealistic expectation.
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Post by CM Poor on Nov 20, 2019 19:04:27 GMT -5
LOL I asked this question in the ask AFA thread and even that guy was like "no, that's not a consideration in choosing parts".
This thread is a new depth for WF.
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Post by Sound888 on Nov 20, 2019 19:35:29 GMT -5
If there was interest in making ten Chris Hero figures, which should only cost $200-300 - with this torso incident, this amount is going to be closer to $500-600. No one is having trouble "making ends meet" with this amount - but, it is one car payment - something to consider when brushing off someone's financial situation.
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crush
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Post by crush on Nov 21, 2019 0:30:53 GMT -5
I'm all for people doing as they please with the figures Mattel puts out. Some of the customizers out there have put out some really impressive work. Nevertheless, dragging Mattel for not including parts that are intentionally obscured and not ever meant to be seen on a finished product that would otherwise suit the needs of those customizers just reeks of looking for something to gripe about. Mattel's objective here was to put out a relatively current representation of Kassius Ohno as he appears on WWE branded programming. Expecting anything more from them because of how the performer may have appeared in previous iterations with other organizations (or even in previous appearances with the same), especially in an instance where a figure is otherwise mostly universally well received, stinks of entitlement. In almost any other instance (an open vest, a side cut shirt, a cloth goods shirt, or even a clasped shirt), the complaint would hold total merit, but when the accessory in question needs to cut, or the finished product otherwise altered in order to facilitate removal, you're just grasping at straws to lodge another complaint against "muh quality control". This^ Complaining about this is insane.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Nov 21, 2019 9:02:35 GMT -5
I'm all for people doing as they please with the figures Mattel puts out. Some of the customizers out there have put out some really impressive work. Nevertheless, dragging Mattel for not including parts that are intentionally obscured and not ever meant to be seen on a finished product that would otherwise suit the needs of those customizers just reeks of looking for something to gripe about. Mattel's objective here was to put out a relatively current representation of Kassius Ohno as he appears on WWE branded programming. Expecting anything more from them because of how the performer may have appeared in previous iterations with other organizations (or even in previous appearances with the same), especially in an instance where a figure is otherwise mostly universally well received, stinks of entitlement. In almost any other instance (an open vest, a side cut shirt, a cloth goods shirt, or even a clasped shirt), the complaint would hold total merit, but when the accessory in question needs to cut, or the finished product otherwise altered in order to facilitate removal, you're just grasping at straws to lodge another complaint against "muh quality control". This^ Complaining about this is insane. But it'll cost someone almost $600 to make ten Chris Hero figures. You heartless monster. This is classic oppression. What do I know though? I'm just a Mattel White Knight.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 21, 2019 11:20:27 GMT -5
Customs and customizers aren’t something that factors into their decisions nor should it. In fact from a business standpoint they should want you to have to buy double the figures if you’re going to take them apart and customize them. And yes I have made plenty of customs/fixups over the years with all the toy lines I collect. Would it be nice? Sure, but that’s not something that factors into their decision making. from a business standpoint, they should make the perfect figure straight out of the shop They did make the perfect figure straight out of the shop. But it’s an utterly clownish, entitled complaint to expect them to also make every figure perfect for whatever customs you fancy. This isn’t the create-a-superstar line, or a 2 in 1 figure.
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Post by CM Poor on Nov 21, 2019 11:35:28 GMT -5
from a business standpoint, they should make the perfect figure straight out of the shop They did make the perfect figure straight out of the shop. But it’s an utterly clownish, entitled complaint to expect them to also make every figure perfect for whatever customs you fancy. This isn’t the create-a-superstar line, or a 2 in 1 figure. Ok, ok, but suppose I just happen to book Ohno in a "Loser Gets the Side of His Shirt That Isn't Meant to be Removed Sliced Open With an Exacto Knife" match in my fig fed, and Oho just happens to lose said "Loser Gets the Side of His Shirt That Isn't Meant to be Removed Sliced Open With an Exacto Knife" match in my fig fed and subsequently has to get the side of his shirt that isn't meant to be removed sliced open wth an Exacto knife? Not so perfect now, is it?!?! Sweaty Bill should have considered this very common need of fig fed promoters! #SHAMEONYOUMATTLE
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 21, 2019 13:03:26 GMT -5
They did make the perfect figure straight out of the shop. But it’s an utterly clownish, entitled complaint to expect them to also make every figure perfect for whatever customs you fancy. This isn’t the create-a-superstar line, or a 2 in 1 figure. Ok, ok, but suppose I just happen to book Ohno in a "Loser Gets the Side of His Shirt That Isn't Meant to be Removed Sliced Open With an Exacto Knife" match in my fig fed, and Oho just happens to lose said "Loser Gets the Side of His Shirt That Isn't Meant to be Removed Sliced Open With an Exacto Knife" match in my fig fed and subsequently has to get the side of his shirt that isn't meant to be removed sliced open wth an Exacto knife? Not so perfect now, is it?!?! Sweaty Bill should have considered this very common need of fig fed promoters! #SHAMEONYOUMATTLEThat’s a great point. Personally, I’m furious that Elite 4 Kane has the wrong torso for a Luna Vachon custom. Or a Fake Diesel custom. How dare you, Bill! Probably because of the lazy spreadsheet leftovers.
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 21, 2019 22:42:53 GMT -5
They did make the perfect figure straight out of the shop. But it’s an utterly clownish, entitled complaint to expect them to also make every figure perfect for whatever customs you fancy. This isn’t the create-a-superstar line, or a 2 in 1 figure. Ok, ok, but suppose I just happen to book Ohno in a "Loser Gets the Side of His Shirt That Isn't Meant to be Removed Sliced Open With an Exacto Knife" match in my fig fed, and Oho just happens to lose said "Loser Gets the Side of His Shirt That Isn't Meant to be Removed Sliced Open With an Exacto Knife" match in my fig fed and subsequently has to get the side of his shirt that isn't meant to be removed sliced open wth an Exacto knife? Not so perfect now, is it?!?! Sweaty Bill should have considered this very common need of fig fed promoters! #SHAMEONYOUMATTLEit actually is easily pulled apart and fits back into the groove quite well, I understand your point, just wanted to let everyone know.
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Post by stinkfaceT on Nov 21, 2019 23:32:10 GMT -5
The irony is Foley wore a singlet underneath his attires, but Mattel utilizes a bare chubby torso (JYD/George Steele) underneath. It's reasonable to expect they could've done the same here for Ohno. If they did him like Foley figures he wouldn’t have the singlet... people would just be fussing about the torso being black instead of skin tone, still “forcing” them to buy two figures for one custom.
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Post by cantu1984 on Dec 6, 2019 11:31:42 GMT -5
I like the figure, shame its harder to customize. I really wish they would use those boots on flash back HBKs. Those look more like motocross boots than the kick-pads they use.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 6, 2019 11:40:38 GMT -5
Looking at the pictures without the shirt I'd be more concerned that he doesn't have a head than the skin colour singlet mattel's quality control is getting lazier by the day! Shipping out headless figures
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