HeelPiper
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Post by HeelPiper on Nov 19, 2019 22:26:30 GMT -5
Man did he win the title in spectacular fashion at WrestleMania 8! One of the most underrated matches ever imo, fantastic work.
Now with that said, the business dropped after he won the thing? Was that related to the loss of star power in the company, the steroid news, or was it a combination. He was still super over and performing at a high level.
Thoughts on his second title reign?
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 20, 2019 10:16:38 GMT -5
I loved it, wish he held on to it a little longer, maybe drop it to Flair at the Royal Rumble in 1993 then have Flair drop it to Bret at WM9. I don't know if things got too bad after he won, Summer Slam 1992 did real well. But I do believe that eventually the steroid news and the ring boy sex scandal did end up hurting business, the roster got pretty lean in late 1992/early 1993.
Edit: I really liked the set up and feud with the Ultimate Warrior. The set-up on superstars, the tag match against the Nasty Boys, and the match at Summer Slam 92, all excellent in my opinion.
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 20, 2019 11:05:14 GMT -5
Many have said that Randy himself was in a bad place when he won the belt in 1992. His marriage with Liz was disintegrating & his mind wasn't really on the job.
His 2nd reign I really bland to me....Wins from Flair.....then nothing until he defends against Warrior @ Summerslam & loses to Flair? 1992 is a really strange time for WWF.
Hogan, Sid & Jake all bailed out after WM8.... Savage was a last minute decision in terms of winning the belt...The whole run into WM8 & what surrounds it fascinated me.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 20, 2019 16:27:58 GMT -5
Even though this run was nowhere near the 1st run in 88/9, It was still enjoyable. I LOVED the feud with Flair.
You had my 2 favs of all time feuding for my fav belt of all time. To say I was invested would be a big understatement.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 21, 2019 15:54:30 GMT -5
The then WWF in 1992 was weird for sure. Just look at the Royal Rumble in January and Survivor Series in 1992. A lot of top stars were gone by then.
Savage didn't have the star power to face either while being champion. He had IRS, Shawn Michaels, Repo Man, Ric Flair, and the Ultimate Warrior at SummerSlam.
Plus like others said, Randy wasn't the same guy he was years earlier. His marriage was falling apart.
It's just too bad we never got a Bret vs. Randy match when Bret was WWF Champion, kind of like a passing of the torch. I know they wrestled in Japan in 1994, in what was a great match from the sounds of things.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 21, 2019 16:48:59 GMT -5
Nothing against Yoko but man what could've been.... 
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Post by rowdy1971 on Nov 21, 2019 17:20:24 GMT -5
I was at Mania 8 and it was a big surprise that Macho won the title and in the way he did. Surprise roll up. It was pretty cool and even made my dad pop.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Nov 21, 2019 17:27:15 GMT -5
There's a lot of shoots out there trying to quell the confusion as to what happened. A lot of people blaming Savage for his smaller size and having a poor work ethic then because he was ready to retire and start a family with Liz. I don't know if I buy much of it though, as it's very pro-WWE, shifting all blame to Randy.
1992 WCW is one of my favorite slices of any wrestling promotion. I wonder if they were having a growing audience then that could've contributed to business being down during Savage's title reign.
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Post by warriorlynx on Nov 22, 2019 9:38:21 GMT -5
The business was already in a decline and boy did it fall pretty quickly, merch sales practically crashed compared to the previous year by Survivor Series 92. People weren't as interested in wrestling as they used to be and ya it's a combination of factors, scandals and what not.
Randy was the perfect guy if he and Liz were still together and weren't having marital problems, it would've worked long-term actually because it was that package of Randy and the first Lady that sold.
I think the WWF needed to change and a babyface chase might've been a better option in 92, just look at some of the houseshow numbers in 93 with Yoko as champ, better than some house shows in 92.
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Post by jking1979 on Nov 22, 2019 10:33:20 GMT -5
Mike Rotunda was a great wrestler. He was basically what Chad Gable is today.
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Nov 22, 2019 17:30:42 GMT -5
The then WWF in 1992 was weird for sure. Just look at the Royal Rumble in January and Survivor Series in 1992. A lot of top stars were gone by then. Savage didn't have the star power to face either while being champion. He had IRS, Shawn Michaels, Repo Man, Ric Flair, and the Ultimate Warrior at SummerSlam. Plus like others said, Randy wasn't the same guy he was years earlier. His marriage was falling apart. It's just too bad we never got a Bret vs. Randy match when Bret was WWF Champion, kind of like a passing of the torch. I know they wrestled in Japan in 1994, in what was a great match from the sounds of things. In order to really see how drastic the change was in the WWF and how fast it occurred, the next time you're browsing the Network go and watch Summerslam 1991. After that, turn on the first episode of Monday Night Raw from January 1993. It feels like two completely different companies altogether despite there only being a 16 month gap between the events. Just goes to show how fast-paced the whacky world of pro wrestling really is. Regarding the Savage topic, I agree that it was a deserved second reign, but wasn't very meaningful or memorable. With Hogan gone and Warrior just returning, Randy was probably the safe choice for Vince. He has always liked the babyface champion and back then he had a very short list to choose from. They were able to squeeze a little bit more out of the Savage/Warrior feud with them both being faces similar to the Wrestlemania VI scenario. Afterwards, Vince knew he had to go in a new direction which is when he finally decided to go with Bret. For five months. 😧 |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 22, 2019 19:28:56 GMT -5
Mike Rotunda was a great wrestler. He was basically what Chad Gable is today.
Chad Gable works for the Internal Revenue Service?!?! Impressive!
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 24, 2019 4:48:41 GMT -5
Bret defending successfully against Savage @ WMIX would have been a great rub for him. He still could have fell to Yoko afterwards by nefarious means @ KOTR.
Plenty say Bret vs Savage seemed to be the plan until Vince became enamored with Yoko.
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Post by The Brain on Nov 24, 2019 6:11:42 GMT -5
Makes you wonder if they did go with Bret/Macho, would they turn Savage heel or have a WM VI deal in which you have the two top babyfaces facing off for the big prize.
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Post by showbizpizzabear81 on Jan 8, 2020 19:10:31 GMT -5
This was a WWF Title Match between Hart and Savage in 1994 at a house show. Apparently, Bret and Savage were supposed to have a much shorter bout with Hart winning strong, but neither liked it, called an audible then tore the house down. It's a camcorder from '94 so its gar from HD.
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Post by warriorlynx on Jan 9, 2020 9:36:52 GMT -5
Pretty much like you said with scandals etc. Hogan was the biggest draw in the company even if people were getting tired of him, he just was. When he left house show numbers dropped, merch dropped, everything did quite significantly over the next couple of months. Then of course you have the likes of Piper, Sid, Jake Roberts leaving at WM8 or shortly thereafter.
Problem with Macho was that he was a package with Liz. I bet numbers would've been better if she stuck around and they continued the love affair feud. But without that better half, it didn't work as great as they had hoped.
Warrior back should've helped, but it didn't and he went from Sid to Shango since Sid quit and I doubt that resonated with fans who were probably like "wth this is bs".
Domestically things just weren't good at all, but overseas even without Hogan, it was a still a wrestling boom so they turned their attention overseas.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 13:44:47 GMT -5
Pretty much like you said with scandals etc. Hogan was the biggest draw in the company even if people were getting tired of him, he just was. When he left house show numbers dropped, merch dropped, everything did quite significantly over the next couple of months. Then of course you have the likes of Piper, Sid, Jake Roberts leaving at WM8 or shortly thereafter. Problem with Macho was that he was a package with Liz. I bet numbers would've been better if she stuck around and they continued the love affair feud. But without that better half, it didn't work as great as they had hoped. Warrior back should've helped, but it didn't and he went from Sid to Shango since Sid quit and I doubt that resonated with fans who were probably like "wth this is bs". Domestically things just weren't good at all, but overseas even without Hogan, it was a still a wrestling boom so they turned their attention overseas. like u said they had best roster ever around 1992 rumble at least with heavy top end guys. they picked wrong matches for wm8 and then a bunch of top guys left. i also dont think ric flair was a big draw in wwf at that time. |
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Post by warriorlynx on Jan 9, 2020 21:24:14 GMT -5
Pretty much like you said with scandals etc. Hogan was the biggest draw in the company even if people were getting tired of him, he just was. When he left house show numbers dropped, merch dropped, everything did quite significantly over the next couple of months. Then of course you have the likes of Piper, Sid, Jake Roberts leaving at WM8 or shortly thereafter. Problem with Macho was that he was a package with Liz. I bet numbers would've been better if she stuck around and they continued the love affair feud. But without that better half, it didn't work as great as they had hoped. Warrior back should've helped, but it didn't and he went from Sid to Shango since Sid quit and I doubt that resonated with fans who were probably like "wth this is bs". Domestically things just weren't good at all, but overseas even without Hogan, it was a still a wrestling boom so they turned their attention overseas. like u said they had best roster ever around 1992 rumble at least with heavy top end guys. they picked wrong matches for wm8 and then a bunch of top guys left. i also dont think ric flair was a big draw in wwf at that time. Unfortunately I don't see how much Vince could've changed WM8 to make it better. Hogan had to leave because of his total stupid screwup at the Arsenio Hall show. Hogan needed someone to wrestle, and he already had his eyes on Sid. Flair was good as Champ, just not the draw that I'm sure they hoped for. I suppose if he had defended the title at WM8 and stayed on as champion it might have been different? Especially since a babyface chase like with Yoko the following year worked out well. |
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Post by LA Times on Jan 10, 2020 11:53:42 GMT -5
There's a lot of shoots out there trying to quell the confusion as to what happened. A lot of people blaming Savage for his smaller size and having a poor work ethic then because he was ready to retire and start a family with Liz. I don't know if I buy much of it though, as it's very pro-WWE, shifting all blame to Randy. 1992 WCW is one of my favorite slices of any wrestling promotion. I wonder if they were having a growing audience then that could've contributed to business being down during Savage's title reign. WCW 1992 was great, but it was a rough year for the whole wrestling business. There was the steroid scandal plus many people were just losing interest in the product especially after Summerslam 1991. |
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 10, 2020 16:32:08 GMT -5
This was a WWF Title Match between Hart and Savage in 1994 at a house show. Apparently, Bret and Savage were supposed to have a much shorter bout with Hart winning strong, but neither liked it, called an audible then tore the house down. It's a camcorder from '94 so its gar from HD. I think Bret told a story about this match. Jack Lanza was the agent. You would think a match with two huge stars would be treated as such, but Lanza gave them a lame finish that kind of hurt Randy's pride as if he wasn't a main event talent anymore. They scrapped his vision and ended up putting on a great match. Lanza came up to both guys backstage after the match and congratulated them which resulted in Savage telling him to go kick rocks. 🤣 |
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