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Post by warriorlynx on Dec 30, 2019 20:58:51 GMT -5
Heel Savage vs Bret for the belt post Mania X=$$$$ Personally I liked Savage's proposal to Vince for a long-term feud with HBK, that would've been better imo
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Post by The Brain on Dec 30, 2019 21:04:29 GMT -5
Heel Savage vs Bret for the belt post Mania X=$$$$ Personally I liked Savage's proposal to Vince for a long-term feud with HBK, that would've been better imo Yeah that would've been ideal as well. Vince really dropped the ball here.Shame.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 31, 2019 8:50:05 GMT -5
A great promo though the match didn't live up to our expectations. I have a feeling that the match was the reason for Vince deciding to take Randy off of TV competition for good, and just left him in some house show matches from then on including a title match against Bret in Japan. Vince wanted to keep him on commentary as his "Jesse Ventura" and brand ambassador and that was it. If the match worked, perhaps things might have been different? Randy should've feuded with Lex, that would've been something. I’ve heard in a few shoots that Vince did blame Savage for the crappy Crush match at WMX. It’s crazy to blame Savage for that crappy booking as he could still put on amazing programs. I’ve heard that Savage was pitching to work with Shawn as well after WMX to put him over at SummerSlam 1994 and Vince shot that down as well (which is crazy considering Shawn didn’t even work a match that night).
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Post by warriorlynx on Dec 31, 2019 8:57:18 GMT -5
A great promo though the match didn't live up to our expectations. I have a feeling that the match was the reason for Vince deciding to take Randy off of TV competition for good, and just left him in some house show matches from then on including a title match against Bret in Japan. Vince wanted to keep him on commentary as his "Jesse Ventura" and brand ambassador and that was it. If the match worked, perhaps things might have been different? Randy should've feuded with Lex, that would've been something. I’ve heard in a few shoots that Vince did blame Savage for the crappy Crush match at WMX. It’s crazy to blame Savage for that crappy booking as he could still put on amazing programs. I’ve heard that Savage was pitching to work with Shawn as well after WMX to put him over at SummerSlam 1994 and Vince shot that down as well (which is crazy considering Shawn didn’t even work a match that night). But from what I get is that the Macho-Crush feud might have been Savage's idea since they were good friends in real life. I suppose they tried to do the old-school protege storyline, except it was executed poorly. Since Savage was being prepped for a backstage role, I wonder how much free reign he had over this feud? No one bought Crush becoming a Yoko fan after Yoko destroyed him. He could've been a great heel (an anti-old gen character) if he didn't join with Mr. Fuji.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Dec 31, 2019 17:44:38 GMT -5
I’ve heard in a few shoots that Vince did blame Savage for the crappy Crush match at WMX. It’s crazy to blame Savage for that crappy booking as he could still put on amazing programs. I’ve heard that Savage was pitching to work with Shawn as well after WMX to put him over at SummerSlam 1994 and Vince shot that down as well (which is crazy considering Shawn didn’t even work a match that night). But from what I get is that the Macho-Crush feud might have been Savage's idea since they were good friends in real life. I suppose they tried to do the old-school protege storyline, except it was executed poorly. Since Savage was being prepped for a backstage role, I wonder how much free reign he had over this feud? No one bought Crush becoming a Yoko fan after Yoko destroyed him. He could've been a great heel (an anti-old gen character) if he didn't join with Mr. Fuji. While I agree it was kind of ridiculous for Crush to side with Yokozuna considering he was the one who put him on the shelf, I actually thought the execution of the Savage/Crush feud was solid and well-paced. They stretched it out from September 1993 until March 1994. I wish WWE could give a feud six months to build these days. The initial beatdown on Savage was pretty brutal I remember him bleeding from the mouth which was very shocking in that era. "Macho Man" got kind of soft when he started doing the commentary regularly so it was great seeing him revert back to that unhinged persona who would stop at nothing to get his hands on Crush. Both interacted with each other at the PPVs leading up to WrestleMania X which helped fuel the rivalry. Sure, the actual match came up short, but the build-up wasn't an issue in my opinion.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 31, 2019 17:55:18 GMT -5
I was never a Crush fan but the build during the Savage feud was great.
I liked the beginning tease for it during an episode of Raw in which they were on the phone with Crush asking how he's doing and such and when he Savage gets on and is like ''Hey Crush brother!'' all you hear is the dial tone.
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 31, 2019 19:19:46 GMT -5
I agree with the last few posts. The Crush/Macho feud was really a great story at the time. Once Crush turned I didn't care for much that he did but the feud was strong. As a kid I really did cringe and believe the Macho was being badly beaten during the summit on Raw. Also as a kid who thought everything I saw was much bigger than it really was, even I saw Madison Square Garden as this tiny arena so the two couldn't really get a great falls count anywhere match like other matches similar. The two did the best they could with what they had I think. As for a feud with Michaels, I'm sure once Vince McMahon heard the cheers for Diesel at Royal Rumble he had plans to make Diesel the next big thing. His build for a year prior to winning the world title was just so perfect and goes to show how much better things were back then. He came from three horrible gimmicks in WCW to the bodyguard role where I bet nothing more was planned and not long after he sets the world on fire in WWF.
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Post by warriorlynx on Jan 1, 2020 11:33:53 GMT -5
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Post by The Shiniest Wizard on Jan 1, 2020 11:46:59 GMT -5
I agree with the last few posts. The Crush/Macho feud was really a great story at the time. Once Crush turned I didn't care for much that he did but the feud was strong. As a kid I really did cringe and believe the Macho was being badly beaten during the summit on Raw. Also as a kid who thought everything I saw was much bigger than it really was, even I saw Madison Square Garden as this tiny arena so the two couldn't really get a great falls count anywhere match like other matches similar. The two did the best they could with what they had I think. As for a feud with Michaels, I'm sure once Vince McMahon heard the cheers for Diesel at Royal Rumble he had plans to make Diesel the next big thing. His build for a year prior to winning the world title was just so perfect and goes to show how much better things were back then. He came from three horrible gimmicks in WCW to the bodyguard role where I bet nothing more was planned and not long after he sets the world on fire in WWF. I agree. If this match is seriously what put Vince off from Savage as a main eventer again it's truly ridiculous. Especially seeing that he could DELIVER in any form. A shame not even WCW really pulled that trigger as the TOP guy there without Hogan being in the picture. And it's also crazy to think that something as simple as Vince believing and giving another chance to him as World Champion could've kept him from leaving. Because if you are able to make Crush look good in a storyline, you deserve some type of reward for that.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 1, 2020 13:30:46 GMT -5
I agree with the last few posts. The Crush/Macho feud was really a great story at the time. Once Crush turned I didn't care for much that he did but the feud was strong. As a kid I really did cringe and believe the Macho was being badly beaten during the summit on Raw. Also as a kid who thought everything I saw was much bigger than it really was, even I saw Madison Square Garden as this tiny arena so the two couldn't really get a great falls count anywhere match like other matches similar. The two did the best they could with what they had I think. As for a feud with Michaels, I'm sure once Vince McMahon heard the cheers for Diesel at Royal Rumble he had plans to make Diesel the next big thing. His build for a year prior to winning the world title was just so perfect and goes to show how much better things were back then. He came from three horrible gimmicks in WCW to the bodyguard role where I bet nothing more was planned and not long after he sets the world on fire in WWF. I agree. If this match is seriously what put Vince off from Savage as a main eventer again it's truly ridiculous. Especially seeing that he could DELIVER in any form. A shame not even WCW really pulled that trigger as the TOP guy there without Hogan being in the picture. And it's also crazy to think that something as simple as Vince believing and giving another chance to him as World Champion could've kept him from leaving. Because if you are able to make Crush look good in a storyline, you deserve some type of reward for that. I hate to keep sounding like I'm bashing Crush, but this is exactly how I feel. How many huge feuds did Savage have before this and then afterwards? This was the only big angle Crush ever worked.
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Post by jking1979 on Jan 2, 2020 11:49:21 GMT -5
Randy Savage was always in Hulk Hogan's spotlight. I think Crush fitted in well as a member of Demolition.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 14:10:14 GMT -5
I liked Crush as part of Demo and good/evil Crush. I liked him more as a good guy, but his fueds with doink & savage were great. I thought him & yoko were gonna be a great tag team too.
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Post by The Brain on Jan 2, 2020 21:42:45 GMT -5
Another underrated promo by Mach from the archives.
Even when he was calm, it still felt intense. Pure greatness indeed.
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Post by The Shiniest Wizard on Jan 2, 2020 22:20:05 GMT -5
Another underrated promo by Mach from the archives.
Even when he was calm, it still felt intense. Pure greatness indeed.
The real star of that was the Lord Alfred Hayes/Toys R Us spot. Miss both very dearly.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 3, 2020 8:51:32 GMT -5
I liked Crush as part of Demo and good/evil Crush. I liked him more as a good guy, but his fueds with doink & savage were great. I thought him & yoko were gonna be a great tag team too. I also thought Crush and Yokozuna could've been a serious heel tag team. Crush was finished with the Savage rivalry and Yoko just lost the title to Bret. A better tag team run would have kept them in the mix when in reality both seemed to fizzle soon afterwards. On the other hand, Shawn and Diesel were ascending to the top of the heel tag team scene around that time and there was no shot Shawn was gonna share that spotlight with anybody who wasn't his bud.
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 3, 2020 18:32:18 GMT -5
I also thought Crush and Yokozuna could've been a serious heel tag team. Crush was finished with the Savage rivalry and Yoko just lost the title to Bret. A better tag team run would have kept them in the mix when in reality both seemed to fizzle soon afterwards. On the other hand, Shawn and Diesel were ascending to the top of the heel tag team scene around that time and there was no shot Shawn was gonna share that spotlight with anybody who wasn't his bud. A Crush and Yoko team would prob have been killer just a few years ago. They did deserve more than what they got (loss to Headshrinkers) at the time. There was really no other bad guys team worth anything at the time and not counting Shawn and Diesel just yet. I do Crush went as far as he could and Yoko after the title loss really couldn't bounce back.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 3, 2020 20:38:54 GMT -5
I also thought Crush and Yokozuna could've been a serious heel tag team. Crush was finished with the Savage rivalry and Yoko just lost the title to Bret. A better tag team run would have kept them in the mix when in reality both seemed to fizzle soon afterwards. On the other hand, Shawn and Diesel were ascending to the top of the heel tag team scene around that time and there was no shot Shawn was gonna share that spotlight with anybody who wasn't his bud. A Crush and Yoko team would prob have been killer just a few years ago. They did deserve more than what they got (loss to Headshrinkers) at the time. There was really no other bad guys team worth anything at the time and not counting Shawn and Diesel just yet. I do Crush went as far as he could and Yoko after the title loss really couldn't bounce back. It's funny, Yokozuna was just coming off this huge 18-month push where he beat both Bret and Hogan for the title. He was literally THE MAN for a while there, but as soon as he lost the belt at WrestleMania he seemed to fall off the map completely. He did the tag team thing with Crush for a few months, however, I don't remember him doing much of anything for the rest of 1994 until they brought him back into the fold at Survivor Series just so Undertaker could get his revenge.
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 4, 2020 8:30:47 GMT -5
It's funny, Yokozuna was just coming off this huge 18-month push where he beat both Bret and Hogan for the title. He was literally THE MAN for a while there, but as soon as he lost the belt at WrestleMania he seemed to fall off the map completely. He did the tag team thing with Crush for a few months, however, I don't remember him doing much of anything for the rest of 1994 until they brought him back into the fold at Survivor Series just so Undertaker could get his revenge. Same here, I don't remember him being on TV much after the KOTR match except for one match on Raw with 123 Kid. Crush was also gone from TV after the Summerslam Spectacular match with Lex Luger. When he showed up at the Royal Rumble I think even Vince McMahon was shocked like thinking to himself "Crush is still with the company?"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 12:07:31 GMT -5
I liked Crush as part of Demo and good/evil Crush. I liked him more as a good guy, but his fueds with doink & savage were great. I thought him & yoko were gonna be a great tag team too. I also thought Crush and Yokozuna could've been a serious heel tag team. Crush was finished with the Savage rivalry and Yoko just lost the title to Bret. A better tag team run would have kept them in the mix when in reality both seemed to fizzle soon afterwards. On the other hand, Shawn and Diesel were ascending to the top of the heel tag team scene around that time and there was no shot Shawn was gonna share that spotlight with anybody who wasn't his bud. That coulda been a great match or fued. yoko/crush vs shawn/diesel.
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