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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 10:21:01 GMT -5
Couple of things people need to consider here: 1.) FTC contacted Martha, she said no. 2.) She went along with the HOF induction because it was spun to her more that it would be honoring Owen as an amateur wrestler, not a pro wrestler. 3.) She allowed Acclaim to put Owen in Legends of Wrestling 2 and 3 because they fought to keep him in WWF Attitude and included the tribute to Owen against the WWF's wishes because it delayed the game. 4.) Bret Hart has repeatedly tried to get her to allow Owen to be inducted into the Hall of Fame so that he can get the recognition he deserves, she repeatedly says no. 5.) She hates pro wrestling. Owen Hart was my favorite wrestler when I was a little kid and there's a ton of figures of him that I want made, but it's probably not happening for a long time. Storm is only going to license the absolute biggest names and while I'm sure someone will quote this and try to argue that Owen would sell more than Jyushin Liger (he won't), that Storm Liger was probably a combination of New Japan themselves approaching Storm and Storm being able to get the proper rights from the anime company. Owen Hart is a big name to a specific group of wrestling fans (myself included) and within that group there is a very small number willing to pay $60 for an action figure of him.Storm could stop making wrestling figures today and they'd be fine because they sell a mega ton of those Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter figures. People need to stop assuming that just because a company jumps into making wrestling figures, that they're going to make all of these guys that Mattel can't. Super7 are probably only going to make Andre and the current New Japan roster. Boss Fight are probably only going to do the lucha guys that Masked Republic has signed. Storm are probably only going to do Liger and Hogan. Jazwares are probably just gonna stick to whoever they have in the AEW Universe. IT sucks to say but we're probably not getting another Owen figure until Martha has passed and even then, if his kids are bitter enough towards wrestling for taking their dad (and really, they should be), it probably won't happen. Liger is a much bigger star to western fans than you're giving him credit for. Owen wasn't a big star in Japan, I seriously doubt he'd sell to anyone outside of the US/Canadian collector market and even then, that's a real small number. Maybe if they did him as a limited edition, but again...they're not going to bother with someone who's not a real top name. Owen Hart isn't outselling Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson or literally any of the video game figures that Storm has put out. This is an insane level of delusion that I've never even encountered in my life. Yeah, the same people who have been demanding an Owen Hart figure for years would balk at paying $60 for one. I think a lot of us would buy one no matter what they charged, but you know as well as I do that there are people on this very site who will be all in on a figure line until the price point or the scale or the articulation isn't the exact same as what they're used to. There would be a lot of us who'd throw the preorder cash down and not think twice and there'd also be a large group who'd cry about how he's not actually scaled to the Elites or the price point is too high or he doesn't come with the Slammys or the Intercontinental Title or whatever excuse they'd want to use. It's the same thing that happened (not so much here as other places, but it did happen here) when Super7 New Japan was revealed to be $45 a piece and to not have the exact same articulation as Mattel WWE Elites. You know it'd happen with this.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 10, 2020 11:29:28 GMT -5
Eh, maybe when Oje is in charge of the likeness rights. Not holding my breath on an Owen figure from anyone any time soon, unfortunately. I'd buy several of each in every attire, and I wouldn't even blink at dropping the money. I just don't think it's going to happen.
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Post by CM Poor on Feb 10, 2020 11:59:35 GMT -5
Owen would absolutely sell, both quickly and easily, but you're blind if you don't think that the value of his name has been inflated to hyperbolic lengths, even above its already sizable worth.
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Post by The Shiniest Wizard on Feb 10, 2020 13:44:14 GMT -5
Seeing the time frame from his last figure that was sold, and the insane amounts of custom figures that have been created and sold. I think an Owen Hart figure would absolutely sell. The fact that Hogan's figure sold so many figures at a time when he was outcasted for the things he said, it is no question how many Owens would sell.
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 10, 2020 14:50:49 GMT -5
Couple of things people need to consider here: 1.) FTC contacted Martha, she said no. 2.) She went along with the HOF induction because it was spun to her more that it would be honoring Owen as an amateur wrestler, not a pro wrestler. 3.) She allowed Acclaim to put Owen in Legends of Wrestling 2 and 3 because they fought to keep him in WWF Attitude and included the tribute to Owen against the WWF's wishes because it delayed the game. 4.) Bret Hart has repeatedly tried to get her to allow Owen to be inducted into the Hall of Fame so that he can get the recognition he deserves, she repeatedly says no. 5.) She hates pro wrestling. Owen Hart was my favorite wrestler when I was a little kid and there's a ton of figures of him that I want made, but it's probably not happening for a long time. Storm is only going to license the absolute biggest names and while I'm sure someone will quote this and try to argue that Owen would sell more than Jyushin Liger (he won't), that Storm Liger was probably a combination of New Japan themselves approaching Storm and Storm being able to get the proper rights from the anime company. Owen Hart is a big name to a specific group of wrestling fans (myself included) and within that group there is a very small number willing to pay $60 for an action figure of him. Storm could stop making wrestling figures today and they'd be fine because they sell a mega ton of those Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter figures. People need to stop assuming that just because a company jumps into making wrestling figures, that they're going to make all of these guys that Mattel can't. Super7 are probably only going to make Andre and the current New Japan roster. Boss Fight are probably only going to do the lucha guys that Masked Republic has signed. Storm are probably only going to do Liger and Hogan. Jazwares are probably just gonna stick to whoever they have in the AEW Universe. IT sucks to say but we're probably not getting another Owen figure until Martha has passed and even then, if his kids are bitter enough towards wrestling for taking their dad (and really, they should be), it probably won't happen. Will it do better than outselling Liger recent releases from Storm collectible? Yes, I believe there are more American's/Canadian's that are aware of Owen than knowing or interested in Liger, or who Liger is or what his legacy was to the wrestling industry. I also believe there would be a lot of Japanese collectors that would buy an Owen figure. Liger is a much bigger star to western fans than you're giving him credit for. Owen wasn't a big star in Japan, I seriously doubt he'd sell to anyone outside of the US/Canadian collector market and even then, that's a real small number. Maybe if they did him as a limited edition, but again...they're not going to bother with someone who's not a real top name. I’d guarantee you that an Owen Hart would out-sale any of the STORM figures to date. Owen Hart isn't outselling Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson or literally any of the video game figures that Storm has put out. This is an insane level of delusion that I've never even encountered in my life. You mentioned it wouldn't sell outside the us/Canada collecting community I'm in the uk and if buy it - the worlds a big place you know
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 15:07:57 GMT -5
Seeing the time frame from his last figure that was sold, and the insane amounts of custom figures that have been created and sold. I think an Owen Hart figure would absolutely sell. The fact that Hogan's figure sold so many figures at a time when he was outcasted for the things he said, it is no question how many Owens would sell. You're overlooking a few things with Hogan. 1.) He's a legitimate pop culture icon, the figures appeal to non-wrestling fans. 2.) A lot of fans looked the other way in regards to what he said. 3.) Some fans are still unaware he's a racist POS. 4.) He's Hulk ing Hogan. Owen would sell and I've never disputed that he would sell in this thread but if you think Owen Hart is doing comparable sales numbers to Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Hulk Hogan or the top characters from Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, you're absolutely delusional and need to step out of the wrestling bubble. Owen would absolutely sell, both quickly and easily, but you're blind if you don't think that the value of his name has been inflated to hyperbolic lengths, even above its already sizable worth. Bingo.
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Post by Old School Collector on Feb 10, 2020 16:47:31 GMT -5
Actually, yes Owen would outsell those 💯 It must be wild to live that deep inside the wrestling bubble. You must be an extremely lonely and sad individual ... I mean you're literally on a wrestling figure message board pulling the whole keyboard warrior gimmick out of the closet.
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Post by PVA on Feb 10, 2020 20:08:31 GMT -5
Enough with the Owen talk....unless something is announced (unlikely)
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Post by The Shiniest Wizard on Feb 10, 2020 22:17:33 GMT -5
Seeing the time frame from his last figure that was sold, and the insane amounts of custom figures that have been created and sold. I think an Owen Hart figure would absolutely sell. The fact that Hogan's figure sold so many figures at a time when he was outcasted for the things he said, it is no question how many Owens would sell. You're overlooking a few things with Hogan. 1.) He's a legitimate pop culture icon, the figures appeal to non-wrestling fans. 2.) A lot of fans looked the other way in regards to what he said. 3.) Some fans are still unaware he's a racist POS. 4.) He's Hulk ing Hogan. Owen would sell and I've never disputed that he would sell in this thread but if you think Owen Hart is doing comparable sales numbers to Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Hulk Hogan or the top characters from Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, you're absolutely delusional and need to step out of the wrestling bubble. Okay, first of all relax. I never said a word about him having "comparable numbers" to Ali, Tyson, or Mortal Kombat once. I simply pointed out that it's no question HOW MANY figures would sell. Not that he would SELL MORE than their other products. I used Hogan as an example pointing out that even when something bad happened with Hogan, the need for his figures didn't disappear. So for someone like Owen, who hasn't gotten any plastic love in quite some time would definitely sell. (Yeah, not as much as Hogan or Mortal Kombat or Tyson or Ali because he isn't a pop culture icon like those, blah blah blah. We know.) But oh well, I guess I'll go back to my "wrestling bubble" now.
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Post by Boon on Feb 11, 2020 15:12:03 GMT -5
Keep it going boys, just had another pallet of Popcorn arrive.
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 12, 2020 11:26:25 GMT -5
People Saying he wouldn't be that popular, who would've thought so many people would want a king Harley race (not even his more notable nwa persona but the short lived king gimmick)
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Feb 12, 2020 14:07:31 GMT -5
People Saying he wouldn't be that popular, who would've thought so many people would want a king Harley race (not even his more notable nwa persona but the short lived king gimmick) Well, Harley Race was a legend... Maybe not the King gimmick, but you can't expect much from WWE... Sure Owen wrestled allover the world and he even was the first non-Japanese wrestler to hold the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship. Heck he even wrestled against Keiichi Yamada (as Keiichi Yamada as well as as Jushin "Thunder" Liger), but worldwide he'll never be as popular as Race, Liger, Hogan or even Dennis Rodman. I really doubt Storm Collectibles is willing to create a new sculpt for Owen Hart in a production of say 3,000 pieces. With Liger and Hogan they can do repainted limited runs of 3,000 pieces; they'll sell guaranteed.
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 13, 2020 12:33:02 GMT -5
People Saying he wouldn't be that popular, who would've thought so many people would want a king Harley race (not even his more notable nwa persona but the short lived king gimmick) Well, Harley Race was a legend... Maybe not the King gimmick, but you can't expect much from WWE... Sure Owen wrestled allover the world and he even was the first non-Japanese wrestler to hold the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship. Heck he even wrestled against Keiichi Yamada (as Keiichi Yamada as well as as Jushin "Thunder" Liger), but worldwide he'll never be as popular as Race, Liger, Hogan or even Dennis Rodman. I really doubt Storm Collectibles is willing to create a new sculpt for Owen Hart in a production of say 3,000 pieces. With Liger and Hogan they can do repainted limited runs of 3,000 pieces; they'll sell guaranteed. I agree race is a legend but for a very different era and not one given the credit he deserves a lot of the time. He should be spoken about in the same breath as someone like flair is but he isn't. Obviously Owen isn't as popular as hogan etc but he was a byword in the 80s / early 90s for pro wrestling but it's been years and years since we had an Owen and the lack of anything Owen related and the style he had becoming more popular means a figure would sell very well
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Post by mcfclee on Feb 13, 2020 18:00:37 GMT -5
People Saying he wouldn't be that popular, who would've thought so many people would want a king Harley race (not even his more notable nwa persona but the short lived king gimmick) Well, Harley Race was a legend... Maybe not the King gimmick, but you can't expect much from WWE... Sure Owen wrestled allover the world and he even was the first non-Japanese wrestler to hold the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship. Heck he even wrestled against Keiichi Yamada (as Keiichi Yamada as well as as Jushin "Thunder" Liger), but worldwide he'll never be as popular as Race, Liger, Hogan or even Dennis Rodman. I really doubt Storm Collectibles is willing to create a new sculpt for Owen Hart in a production of say 3,000 pieces. With Liger and Hogan they can do repainted limited runs of 3,000 pieces; they'll sell guaranteed. I think the repaints with Owen would be better than the liger ones personally. I love the liger fig and got the first, but I don’t need multiple ligers, if you’re a flashback guy like me an Owen in king gear, slammy gear and later danger gear all off the same mound would be added to my collection.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Feb 13, 2020 20:20:46 GMT -5
Probably not profitable enough. While there may be many collectors that want Owen, not many will pay that much for Owen... If people are willing to pay that much for Liger, they'll likely pay that much for an Owen, which will likely never be made elsewhere.
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Post by Squared² on Feb 13, 2020 21:12:58 GMT -5
I’ll take 2
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Post by Boon on Feb 13, 2020 21:45:22 GMT -5
"Note to self" Do not make a thread called. Storm.....Chris Benoit?
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Feb 14, 2020 2:26:26 GMT -5
"Note to self" Do not make a thread called. Storm.....Chris Benoit? Storm Collectibles is Hong Kong based, they produced worldwide recognizable legends: Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Dennis Rodman, Hulk Hogan, Jyushin "Thunder" Liger. While Owen and Chris were good, they're no legends like the aforementioned five... At best I see Micro Brawlers of the Blue Blazer and the Pegasus Kid or figures by Super7 of the Blue Blazer and the Pegasus Kid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 9:13:21 GMT -5
"Note to self" Do not make a thread called. Storm.....Chris Benoit? Storm Collectibles is Hong Kong based, they produced worldwide recognizable legends: Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Dennis Rodman, Hulk Hogan, Jyushin "Thunder" Liger. While Owen and Chris were good, they're no legends like the aforementioned five... At best I see Micro Brawlers of the Blue Blazer and the Pegasus Kid or figures by Super7 of the Blue Blazer and the Pegasus Kid. Yeah, most of those guys have been icons and household names known the world over for generations at this point. Owen-as far as status-is very clearly not at that level. Thats not to say a Owen figure wouldn't be a huge deal because it would.
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