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Post by johnnyb on Mar 20, 2020 10:21:01 GMT -5
Somehow 55% of Americans approve of Trump's handling of Covid-19. Don't even bother holding a vote in November, this thing's over.
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Post by rkmo: The FOCUS Method on Mar 20, 2020 11:28:47 GMT -5
Somehow 55% of Americans approve of Trump's handling of Covid-19. Don't even bother holding a vote in November, this thing's over. Don't trick yourself into thinking GOP hasn't already thought of that, or at least states "exercising caution" come November by strategically shuttering polling places in Dem heavy districts.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Mar 23, 2020 2:45:53 GMT -5
Somehow 55% of Americans approve of Trump's handling of Covid-19. Don't even bother holding a vote in November, this thing's over. More specifically, his supporters still support him, and his detractors see his flaws. linkAnd on a personal note, when I've talked with people who identify as conservatives, they think the panic has been created by the media and that the damage to the economy is both self-inflicted and more concerning than the virus. Conversely, I know centrist and left-leaning people who think that both federal and state governments were reprehensibly slow and tone deaf in responding to early warnings about COVID-19. It's amazing to see how personal philosophies are shaping our views as individuals even as we experience the same reality.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Mar 23, 2020 3:18:32 GMT -5
I really don't feel like getting into politics even here, but I have to say.
I saw a tweet (without a source, so take that into consideration) that claimed that 38% of Americans surveyed refused to drink Corona beer specifically because of the pandemic. That's literally 1 in 3 people asked.
With that in mind, I don't hold out much hope for any kind of educated outcome in this election whatsoever.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Mar 23, 2020 7:16:45 GMT -5
I really don't feel like getting into politics even here, but I have to say. I saw a tweet (without a source, so take that into consideration) that claimed that 38% of Americans surveyed refused to drink Corona beer specifically because of the pandemic. That's literally 1 in 3 people asked. With that in mind, I don't hold out much hope for any kind of educated outcome in this election whatsoever. The only "educated" outcome is to full on overthrow the system. Hold government accountable and start from scratch. Let's be clear...no candidate on either side gives a damn about you or me. We're votes. Nothing more. Until we get to the point where we are all fed up, nothing will get better,no matter what pawn is in office.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Mar 23, 2020 8:23:29 GMT -5
I really don't feel like getting into politics even here, but I have to say. I saw a tweet (without a source, so take that into consideration) that claimed that 38% of Americans surveyed refused to drink Corona beer specifically because of the pandemic. That's literally 1 in 3 people asked. With that in mind, I don't hold out much hope for any kind of educated outcome in this election whatsoever. The only "educated" outcome is to full on overthrow the system. Hold government accountable and start from scratch. Let's be clear...no candidate on either side gives a damn about you or me. We're votes. Nothing more. Until we get to the point where we are all fed up, nothing will get better,no matter what pawn is in office. Judging from what I see on social media, it seems like the far left would love nothing more than to do this. Sadly, it's the conservatives who own all the guns, so I see this going about as well as the "revolution" from Les Mis...
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Mar 23, 2020 8:28:20 GMT -5
The only "educated" outcome is to full on overthrow the system. Hold government accountable and start from scratch. Let's be clear...no candidate on either side gives a damn about you or me. We're votes. Nothing more. Until we get to the point where we are all fed up, nothing will get better,no matter what pawn is in office. Judging from what I see on social media, it seems like the far left would love nothing more than to do this. Sadly, it's the conservatives who own all the guns, so I see this going about as well as the "revolution" from Les Mis... That seems a bit biased. The conservatives are running Chicago? Philly? Detroit? The right might have all the legally owned guns. Both sides would also have to be willing to take Ls. And neither will want to. Thats why we cant have nice things. I swear on my kids that if a regular guy ran for president with the slogan "I'm not a ing piece of sh*t like these guys" they would win.
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Post by rkmo: The FOCUS Method on Mar 23, 2020 10:29:36 GMT -5
Judging from what I see on social media, it seems like the far left would love nothing more than to do this. Sadly, it's the conservatives who own all the guns, so I see this going about as well as the "revolution" from Les Mis... That seems a bit biased. The conservatives are running Chicago? Philly? Detroit? The right might have all the legally owned guns. Both sides would also have to be willing to take Ls. And neither will want to. Thats why we cant have nice things. I swear on my kids that if a regular guy ran for president with the slogan "I'm not a ing piece of sh*t like these guys" they would win. We already saw that "I'm no politician" playbook last time, and look where that got us...
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Post by RSCTom on Mar 23, 2020 10:33:05 GMT -5
His approval rating will go down. As soon as the two week period ends and he does something drastic like actually let people out and 'back to normal', people that people know will start to die. That's really all there is to it...this won't hit home for people until someone close to them dies.
He is smart enough to let Fauci speak on his behalf with facts while at the same time boasting his usual nonsense that his base eats up. I would argue as someone who is not an idiot that I can separate fact from fiction and while I don't prefer being lied to, I can at least see when Trump is clearly lying or when he is telling us to listen to facts and the experts.
So far, other than the despair this has caused us all, there hasn't been a red line situation that has cost lives yet on a scale that touches the average American. When that happens, people will smarten up.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Mar 23, 2020 10:43:28 GMT -5
That seems a bit biased. The conservatives are running Chicago? Philly? Detroit? The right might have all the legally owned guns. Both sides would also have to be willing to take Ls. And neither will want to. Thats why we cant have nice things. I swear on my kids that if a regular guy ran for president with the slogan "I'm not a ing piece of sh*t like these guys" they would win. We already saw that "I'm no politician" playbook last time, and look where that got us... A multi millionaire is far from a regular guy. I could easily make the case we would be far worse under killary anyway.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Mar 23, 2020 11:07:31 GMT -5
Judging from what I see on social media, it seems like the far left would love nothing more than to do this. Sadly, it's the conservatives who own all the guns, so I see this going about as well as the "revolution" from Les Mis... That seems a bit biased. The conservatives are running Chicago? Philly? Detroit? The right might have all the legally owned guns. Both sides would also have to be willing to take Ls. And neither will want to. Thats why we cant have nice things. I swear on my kids that if a regular guy ran for president with the slogan "I'm not a ing piece of sh*t like these guys" they would win. There are three men in contention for 2020 One is a billionaire who claimed "I'm not like those other guys, vote for me". He won last time. One is a Democratic Socialist who claims "I'm not like those other guys, vote for me". He's currently losing the primary And then there's the third guy who is running on a strict platform of "Ignore those other two idiots. They have no idea how to run a country. Vote for me." Honestly.I think we're boned regardless of who wins the presidency. Without a willing congress, no president is going to be an effective leader. Heck, Orange A-Hole had a unified government and still couldn't get anything done. The whole system does need overhauled. But the problem is the people we keep putting in charge to change it, are the people who have a vested interest in it staying the same. It's broken. The whole thing is broken. It's like a piece of machinery that's been shattered and twisted beyond repair, and the only way to manufacture the parts to repair it with the very same broken machine you are trying to fix. If it were up to me? Bin the whole thing, and get a replacement. You know, I swear I saw a musical about this concept once...
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Post by rkmo: The FOCUS Method on Mar 23, 2020 11:35:12 GMT -5
We already saw that "I'm no politician" playbook last time, and look where that got us... A multi millionaire is far from a regular guy. I could easily make the case we would be far worse under killary anyway. A Joe Schmo with modest earnings is never gonna get anywhere in an election while not playing ball with lobbyists, big industry, many factions of the voting populace, and at least one political party. And while I'm not gonna re-litigate past outcomes, having a President being impeached in her first week, a jilted Don John driving a violent populist coup thru the media, and Russia launching the first strike in WW3 wouldn't have been too good. Is it worth the silent death of every norm and barrier meant to prevent the establishment of totalitarianism in the country? Maybe you disagree, I'd say not.
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Post by slappy on Mar 23, 2020 11:50:38 GMT -5
He's not the best but between Joe and Trump, I'll be voting for The Donald.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Mar 23, 2020 12:28:24 GMT -5
Just sayin'....
Put a scientist in the White House. See what happens.
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Post by slappy on Mar 23, 2020 12:48:17 GMT -5
Just sayin'.... Put a scientist in the White House. See what happens. I guess it can't be any worse than putting lawyers or veterans or businessmen or peanut farmers in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 13:27:11 GMT -5
a lot of you have embarrassed yourselves on this thread.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Mar 23, 2020 13:27:33 GMT -5
That seems a bit biased. The conservatives are running Chicago? Philly? Detroit? The right might have all the legally owned guns. Both sides would also have to be willing to take Ls. And neither will want to. Thats why we cant have nice things. I swear on my kids that if a regular guy ran for president with the slogan "I'm not a ing piece of sh*t like these guys" they would win. There are three men in contention for 2020 One is a billionaire who claimed "I'm not like those other guys, vote for me". He won last time. One is a Democratic Socialist who claims "I'm not like those other guys, vote for me". He's currently losing the primary And then there's the third guy who is running on a strict platform of "Ignore those other two idiots. They have no idea how to run a country. Vote for me." Honestly.I think we're boned regardless of who wins the presidency. Without a willing congress, no president is going to be an effective leader. Heck, Orange A-Hole had a unified government and still couldn't get anything done. The whole system does need overhauled. But the problem is the people we keep putting in charge to change it, are the people who have a vested interest in it staying the same. It's broken. The whole thing is broken. It's like a piece of machinery that's been shattered and twisted beyond repair, and the only way to manufacture the parts to repair it with the very same broken machine you are trying to fix. If it were up to me? Bin the whole thing, and get a replacement. You know, I swear I saw a musical about this concept once... But like I said above, none of them are regular guys.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Mar 23, 2020 13:33:51 GMT -5
A multi millionaire is far from a regular guy. I could easily make the case we would be far worse under killary anyway. A Joe Schmo with modest earnings is never gonna get anywhere in an election while not playing ball with lobbyists, big industry, many factions of the voting populace, and at least one political party. And while I'm not gonna re-litigate past outcomes, having a President being impeached in her first week, a jilted Don John driving a violent populist coup thru the media, and Russia launching the first strike in WW3 wouldn't have been too good. Is it worth the silent death of every norm and barrier meant to prevent the establishment of totalitarianism in the country? Maybe you disagree, I'd say not. I dont really know what to think, believe or trust anymore when it comes to this country. I think that's the biggest problem. Not enough people are willing to admit when they dont and they just side with the left or the right habitually. We dont care about platforms, we care about red or blue. We dont do research, we dont ask the hard questions. We dont hold leaders accountable. We just side with whoever we always side with. I dont see it getting any better in our lives either. I'd like to be wrong on that of course.
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Post by rkmo: The FOCUS Method on Mar 23, 2020 14:31:42 GMT -5
A Joe Schmo with modest earnings is never gonna get anywhere in an election while not playing ball with lobbyists, big industry, many factions of the voting populace, and at least one political party. And while I'm not gonna re-litigate past outcomes, having a President being impeached in her first week, a jilted Don John driving a violent populist coup thru the media, and Russia launching the first strike in WW3 wouldn't have been too good. Is it worth the silent death of every norm and barrier meant to prevent the establishment of totalitarianism in the country? Maybe you disagree, I'd say not. I dont really know what to think, believe or trust anymore when it comes to this country. I think that's the biggest problem. Not enough people are willing to admit when they dont and they just side with the left or the right habitually. We dont care about platforms, we care about red or blue. We dont do research, we dont ask the hard questions. We dont hold leaders accountable. We just side with whoever we always side with. I dont see it getting any better in our lives either. I'd like to be wrong on that of course. I can agree on that. People are lazy, stubborn, ignorant, and nowadays find comfort in only seeking out information that affirms their biases and beliefs. I believe one of the massive failures in our country was when news/media organizations began focusing their content to exploit and inflame these weaknesses for their own profit. No amount of intellectual thought will permeate the masses when most can find much more appetizing content with blowhards online or in primetime television. And as long as that structure remains, so too will this vegetative coma of common sense and decency. Some may cry about free speech, but to me nothing is more dire an example of "yelling fire in a crowded theatre" when the theatre is our nation and the fire is progressive ideals and foreigners.
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Post by RSCTom on Mar 23, 2020 14:38:10 GMT -5
It's definitely laughable to think Hillary would have been worse in the situation we're in.
She certainly wouldn't have fired the US Pandemic Response team!
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