Revvie®
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Somewhere between Reality, and the Absurd
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Post by Revvie® on Feb 28, 2022 15:30:25 GMT -5
Well this is sad but I, like others, am just surprised this efed lasted as long as it did.
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Post by Swarm on Apr 4, 2022 22:58:47 GMT -5
Hey everyone this is Alex ie Alex Sean for those who know me. I haven't checked in here for a bit after a brief flirtation with returning in 2020/early 2021 and uh... yeah. Well anyway to be entirely transparent it bums me out to see the fed basically dead and for the most part at this moment I am concerned about Jack deleting this forum and thus the entire archive of everyone's work. So to that point, in case anyone seeing this isn't aware or hasn't done so elsewhere, I do have an e-fed archive forum for such scenarios so if you would. like to archive your work, send me a message and I will give you the link.
Secondly, just throwing this out there, is there anyone who's still lurking that is at all interested in trying to bring some life to this thing? I am currently doing the college thing so I have some time and would be willing to run the fed if there's any actual interest in participating. I have avoided saying anything of this sort as I didn't want to step on anyone's toes. I think it's probably fair to say that's not really a reasonable concern at this point?
I dunno, lemme know what ya'll think. I can go into more detail about what I would have in mind for how to approach things but first thing would be whether anyone would be interested in the first place. Regardless, I hope everyone is doing well, peace!
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Post by jdfranchise on Apr 5, 2022 0:05:52 GMT -5
Hey everyone this is Alex ie Alex Sean for those who know me. I haven't checked in here for a bit after a brief flirtation with returning in 2020/early 2021 and uh... yeah. Well anyway to be entirely transparent it bums me out to see the fed basically dead and for the most part at this moment I am concerned about Jack deleting this forum and thus the entire archive of everyone's work. So to that point, in case anyone seeing this isn't aware or hasn't done so elsewhere, I do have an e-fed archive forum for such scenarios so if you would. like to archive your work, send me a message and I will give you the link. Secondly, just throwing this out there, is there anyone who's still lurking that is at all interested in trying to bring some life to this thing? I am currently doing the college thing so I have some time and would be willing to run the fed if there's any actual interest in participating. I have avoided saying anything of this sort as I didn't want to step on anyone's toes. I think it's probably fair to say that's not really a reasonable concern at this point? I dunno, lemme know what ya'll think. I can go into more detail about what I would have in mind for how to approach things but first thing would be whether anyone would be interested in the first place. Regardless, I hope everyone is doing well, peace! I personally have no problem with you archiving the fed's run, but I can't speak for everyone. I'm also cool with you going ahead of archiving my stuff. As far as fedding itself, I have a lot of stuff on my plate atm. So I really couldn't commit to anything (even though I'm the World Champion atm). That said, you never say never in this game. I think if we got some traction going again, I could be convinced to come back for a true retirement run. It's no secret that was what this past run was supposed to be, finishing my feud with Drakz, winning the big one, having a solid reign, dropping the title, then retiring while putting someone new over. It just sucks because of the dream matches that I would've loved to have (you, E, and DGX being my main three, and Kyzer if he ever popped back up again). I guess what I'm saying is that I'm at peace either way we go here. WFWF has been good to all of us and has been a big part of our lives.
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Devilkiller
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WFWF. Go see about it.
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Post by Devilkiller on Apr 5, 2022 7:31:56 GMT -5
Archiving our stuff would be fantastic.
The thing with me is I get stuck in a loop. I had a good run a couple years ago and loved it, but got burnt out on not providing good RP’s. Like they were good enough to win but not good enough to be considered anyone special, you know? And sitting in that limbo, not being able to go up and just staying at the constant pace of where I was just kept lowering me down and down. I guess after doing this on and off since 2012, I haven’t grasped how to write a great RP, no matter how many times I’ve read great RP’s, just couldn’t grasp it. So as for me, I mean I wouldn’t care to try again. Even if it’s another character for craps and giggles, but actually trying to compete I don’t think I can do unless I can hone the craft exponentially compared to now.
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Post by Markw on Apr 5, 2022 13:18:00 GMT -5
I think I just kept getting to the point where there was too much. Too many people writing 5000-10000 word RPs every show, full match write ups, it was just too much of a time sink. You felt like you had to dedicate a lot of time to get your own RP to a level that could compete, and there was no way I was going to do that and read all that content and contribute to show results. I think, for me at least, the standards got too high and it became more chore than hobby. If we had a hard word cap and summarised results (either across the whole fed or as a division that I could focus on) then I’d be interested in giving it a go. But I couldn’t go back to how it was before, it’s just not enough of a priority to dedicate the time it was taking.
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Post by Swarm on Apr 5, 2022 14:25:55 GMT -5
Hey everyone this is Alex ie Alex Sean for those who know me. I haven't checked in here for a bit after a brief flirtation with returning in 2020/early 2021 and uh... yeah. Well anyway to be entirely transparent it bums me out to see the fed basically dead and for the most part at this moment I am concerned about Jack deleting this forum and thus the entire archive of everyone's work. So to that point, in case anyone seeing this isn't aware or hasn't done so elsewhere, I do have an e-fed archive forum for such scenarios so if you would. like to archive your work, send me a message and I will give you the link. Secondly, just throwing this out there, is there anyone who's still lurking that is at all interested in trying to bring some life to this thing? I am currently doing the college thing so I have some time and would be willing to run the fed if there's any actual interest in participating. I have avoided saying anything of this sort as I didn't want to step on anyone's toes. I think it's probably fair to say that's not really a reasonable concern at this point? I dunno, lemme know what ya'll think. I can go into more detail about what I would have in mind for how to approach things but first thing would be whether anyone would be interested in the first place. Regardless, I hope everyone is doing well, peace! I personally have no problem with you archiving the fed's run, but I can't speak for everyone. I'm also cool with you going ahead of archiving my stuff. As far as fedding itself, I have a lot of stuff on my plate atm. So I really couldn't commit to anything (even though I'm the World Champion atm). That said, you never say never in this game. I think if we got some traction going again, I could be convinced to come back for a true retirement run. It's no secret that was what this past run was supposed to be, finishing my feud with Drakz, winning the big one, having a solid reign, dropping the title, then retiring while putting someone new over. It just sucks because of the dream matches that I would've loved to have (you, E, and DGX being my main three, and Kyzer if he ever popped back up again). I guess what I'm saying is that I'm at peace either way we go here. WFWF has been good to all of us and has been a big part of our lives. Word. Just to clarify regarding the archive board, its more of a place for people to archive their own work should they choose to want to do that. So say you wanted to archive your work, you would sign up and I would create a category for you and sub-forums for whatever feds you've been a part of then you would post your stuff. I do have some stuff I've archived myself for others IE event results and things but with basically the entire WFWF archive threads being locked I can't really access any of that stuff right now anyway.
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Post by Swarm on Apr 5, 2022 14:43:10 GMT -5
Archiving our stuff would be fantastic. The thing with me is I get stuck in a loop. I had a good run a couple years ago and loved it, but got burnt out on not providing good RP’s. Like they were good enough to win but not good enough to be considered anyone special, you know? And sitting in that limbo, not being able to go up and just staying at the constant pace of where I was just kept lowering me down and down. I guess after doing this on and off since 2012, I haven’t grasped how to write a great RP, no matter how many times I’ve read great RPs, just couldn’t grasp it. So as for me, I mean I wouldn’t care to try again. Even if it’s another character for craps and giggles, but actually trying to compete I don’t think I can do unless I can hone the craft exponentially compared to now. I'll send you a message right after posting this with some info about the archive board. I can appreciate your situation and that sounds really frustrating. RP e-fedding is sort of a strange writing exercise and I really feel like I've only ever seen a handful of people balance the particulars exceptionally well. You have the aspect of the on-screen pro wrestling persona who one would want to be a compelling pro wrestling character that is involved with compelling pro wrestling story lines. At the same time, you have the RP character who is the actual human being who lives a life outside of the ring and theoretically should be involved in compelling stories there as well. Furthermore, since they are both the same character, those elements have to harmonize effectively so not only does the writing for both have to be interesting and good but also they have to fit each other. I think its not appreciated how strange of a demand that is and its not surprising that only a few people ever truly balanced all of it excellently. I think I was a writer who had a great on-screen character and great story lines but I could never really drum up interest in having my character be involved in story lines that were exclusive to the RPs themselves which meant I did a lot of monologuing about my opponent at a time where that was becoming increasingly passe. Likewise, some folks had these deeply intricate story lines in their RPs and then their on-screen character was practically non-existent. Or, they might have a good on-screen character and a good RP character but on-screen they're a professional wrestler and in their RPs they're like an arms dealer with a dark past who killed a man. Either thing would be good but the incongruity of it was a problem. I guess all of this rambling is to say regardless of any intention to ever involve yourself in something like this again I think you probably did better than you give yourself credit for. Like I said, RP e-fedding is a weird challenge and once I personally don't think I ever really mastered either. What would be great in the future is for people who are in the position you were to have better resources to figure out what that missing factor is to grow because there are few things as demotivating as being stuck in one place and not knowing how to improve. I taught martial arts for many years and I can say with certainty that specific dynamic was the number one cause for people to drop off from training. You should probably credit yourself for sticking with RPing even while dealing with that frustration.
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Post by sonstuds on Apr 5, 2022 14:44:49 GMT -5
Secondly, just throwing this out there, is there anyone who's still lurking that is at all interested in trying to bring some life to this thing? I am currently doing the college thing so I have some time and would be willing to run the fed if there's any actual interest in participating. I have avoided saying anything of this sort as I didn't want to step on anyone's toes. I think it's probably fair to say that's not really a reasonable concern at this point? The Tony Khan to our ROH. I think I just kept getting to the point where there was too much. Too many people writing 5000-10000 word RPs every show, full match write ups, it was just too much of a time sink. You felt like you had to dedicate a lot of time to get your own RP to a level that could compete, and there was no way I was going to do that and read all that content and contribute to show results. I think, for me at least, the standards got too high and it became more chore than hobby. If we had a hard word cap and summarised results (either across the whole fed or as a division that I could focus on) then I’d be interested in giving it a go. But I couldn’t go back to how it was before, it’s just not enough of a priority to dedicate the time it was taking. Yeah word. My interest in doing this is heavily centered around the story telling/character study aspect, and ultimately I'm going to steer towards writing whatever particular story it is I find most interesting, length be damned (you have to write for yourself first, as they say ... probably, I dunno, I never went to college). Unfortunately that leads to a self-imposed cycle of discontent as I inevitably put in a lot of work to write something I find personally engrossing while simultaneously burning myself out because of the work load it entails. It's definitely not a coincidence that my longest run for any singular time was maybe 18 months? In hindsight I should have been more appreciative of some of those long stretches of inactivity on the board. My SB RP vs. Penny is my favorite thing I've ever written and objectively the best, and that was probably cause I got to work on it for like six months. That's why as much as I'm disappointed Drakz and I never got to have our match after all those years the silver lining is at least I didn't have to find the time to write that RP which was probably gonna end up becoming a borderline screenplay* lol So basically, my personal opinions and dislike regarding word caps aside, if it's for the betterment of the fed it might be something to consider if anyone's going to try starting this up again. *Which tells the story of EBR beating a member of the paparazzi to death and then driving around LA trying to dispose the body, because if you're going to lose sight of what you're supposed to be writing in an e-fed you might as well jump over that God damn shark.
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Post by Swarm on Apr 5, 2022 15:06:26 GMT -5
I think I just kept getting to the point where there was too much. Too many people writing 5000-10000 word RPs every show, full match write ups, it was just too much of a time sink. You felt like you had to dedicate a lot of time to get your own RP to a level that could compete, and there was no way I was going to do that and read all that content and contribute to show results. I think, for me at least, the standards got too high and it became more chore than hobby. If we had a hard word cap and summarised results (either across the whole fed or as a division that I could focus on) then I’d be interested in giving it a go. But I couldn’t go back to how it was before, it’s just not enough of a priority to dedicate the time it was taking. I get all of that and I think you're speaking to a number of issues that I feel have been a detriment to this fed from even back when I was involved. I think the expectation for full-length results with long matches and whatnot has been an anchor around the neck of the ability for anything to be streamlined. It takes time to write a full-length match. After a while, it seems like the cart is pulling the horse in that the results are on the timeline of the writing of the matches as opposed to the matches being written within the timeline of the show schedule. I am totally guilty of doing and causing this in the past btw so I deserve as much blame as anyone and probably more. If I were to be running this or any fed, I would prioritize the streamlining of the process which would mean the default setting for results would be summaries and if people happened to want to write an appropriately-sized, full-length match for the results that they could turn in within the window of time for it to be integrated into the results then cool. I like the idea of word counts and maybe even correlating things like word counts with different divisions and that would correlate with time limits. Like if you imagine there is a TV title where matches are contested on TV for ten minute time limit bouts, it's kind of ridiculous to write a dissertation for that match. So maybe it could be for a ten minute time limit match on TV, that might have a certain word count for RPs for it. I think also in a weird way the trajectory of doing less and less shows that are each supposed to be essentially a PPV quality show contributed to a lot of the issues you're discussing. It is a little exhausting if every single RP you write has to be at the caliber of your best work ever because the only matches getting booked are top guys vs. top guys in big matches. Plus, let's be entirely honest; Nobody wants to read novel-length results every time out so you're kind of doing all of that work for something nobody actually wants to absorb. I would want to have a steady schedule with TV style, lower stakes shows with less consequential matches that would build to quarterly or what-have-you larger, PPV style shows where the big, high stakes matches would occur. Thus, people stay engaged but don't have to write the great American novel every time they have a match. Plus, the results would be digestible and because events would be occurring more frequently, people would have an actual reason to log on and check the board on a regular basis. I think its pretty clear this one show every three months thing is just death for people actually engaging the message board as a community which I would argue is kind of more what this is all about at the end of the day anyway. Most of the people posting don't RP anymore but almost all of us keep in touch with friends we made through RPing to this day. There are some folks I talk to from here that I have known for over 20 years at this point as wild as that is to say. Anyway I could ramble on about this all day but I think you bring up a lot of great points and just wanted to address that!
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DGX
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Post by DGX on Apr 5, 2022 20:57:12 GMT -5
I was liking what I was doing with D. Also not going to front making his CAW on 2k gave me a few other ideas with him too I'd like to explore. So yeah if we do fire this up again I'd be in to participate. I may even help with results depending on how things go with my schedule.
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Post by jdfranchise on Apr 5, 2022 21:53:23 GMT -5
We all can agree that match length is the common factor in the fed's downfall we all acknowledge and have acknowledged for a while. I've been of the thought that full match writeups should be reserved for SuperBrawl, and I really won't change my stance on that because a full match writeup needs to be for something special. But Alex and E brought up really good points in regards to rp length, and I'm as good of a case study as anyone for that. Inches was a 55 page RP, and while I needed every bit of it to beat Drakz, it does leave you with wondering how you can top it or what's next. Now I'm a sucker for layered, well constructed stories, but the time needed for those undertakings is something realistically none of us consistently have. There really do need to be parameters in place we all can stick to in order to revive the fed, and I think it's on us as a community to work together to find that balance. While I'm in a weird position of needing to be involved and not having the time to actually lead the charge, I do want to help in anyway I can.
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Post by Rated R on Apr 6, 2022 6:34:01 GMT -5
I'd just come back for what I intended to be my final run when the whole place went dead, and while I only have a fraction of the time I did ten years ago plus when I started this I'd like to see what time I can make to see the character out. I wouldn't want to commit to anything just yet but I'd be happy to be part of the conversation of getting the place up and running again just because I know what writing here did for my abilities as a writer and I think others deserve the same shot.
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Post by CM Poor on Apr 6, 2022 12:11:39 GMT -5
It's weird seeing the little "new content" icon light up.
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Post by jdfranchise on Apr 7, 2022 15:04:49 GMT -5
I'd be happy to be part of the conversation of getting the place up and running again just because I know what writing here did for my abilities as a writer and I think others deserve the same shot. 100%. All us vets were fortunate enough to be around when the community was its strongest, and we were able to learn A LOT. I think that's really what's important. Giving young writers that platform to learn. I think the veteran presence here is still pretty strong, so it is still possible to make this work.
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Post by Swarm on Apr 10, 2022 16:23:03 GMT -5
Greetings!
So I've been talking to some folks over the past several days about things looking for input on a broad concept I have for a path forward and I think I'm ready to throw it out here to see what everyone thinks. I want to emphasize that this is just a framework at this point so if there are concerns ya'll have about it or ideas you think would benefit it please share.
What if we were to proceed forward with a touring schedule format similar to how Japanese professional wrestling is run. This would involve individual tours that last for a specific duration of time and number of shows with breaks between tours. We would do sign-up sheets for the tour ahead of time and anyone who agrees would be available to be booked during that tour. Once the tour concludes, we would have a sign-up sheet ahead of the next one and folks would choose whether they want to be involved in that one, etc... This basically would mean at any time you're only committing to a specific amount of time and possible matches which afterward you have no obligation to be involved in the next one.
As far as format I was thinking three months on/one month off. The three month period would involve six shows with the first five being formatted like TV cards involving television-appropriate match time limits and thus equitable RP word limits. I would say folks would probably be booked roughly around three out of five of those cards or so. The sixth show would be a big, PPV-style arena show where everyone would be booked. Afterward, I figure a week off entirely then three weeks out the sign up sheet for the next tour would be posted then about a week before the tour starts the matches would start to be figured out. Again, just to reiterate, these are all just ideas and are open to ya'll's input.
Something that I think this format would also offer is the ability to mix things up a little bit from tour to tour. Tours could be centered around a tournament, they could be centered around where they take place (IE a tour of Japan or whathaveyou), maybe some centered around the matches being contested under a different ruleset, etc... I think in addition to affording for a less demanding overall commitment it would also offer the chance to do things a little differently each time out which could be really fun. I especially like the idea of doing a tag team tournament.
So anyway, that is the idea that I have which has also been modified thanks to input of a bunch of really smart folks on here. Lemme know what you guys think. Does that sound interesting? I didn't want to information overload so if there are some logistics/details you think are important that weren't mentioned please feel free to ask and if I have a thought for it I will say. If not, we can figure it out together!
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Post by jdfranchise on Apr 12, 2022 15:04:02 GMT -5
I've spoken to you at great lengths about this, Alex, so I'm as good as anybody to weigh in.
What I like about this is that each pay per view cycle has a different flair instead of the standard card and buildup. I think what's cool about it is that the storyline (especially in tournaments) builds itself in the tours. And it seems like there are some fail safes in place for those who may not have the time to commit to every single show on the tour (admittedly that could wind up being a point of contention). I think putting word limits on matches for the early stages of the tour is smart and is a call back to old school promo style matches. It allows for the story to build organically that way imo. When you and I have discussed it, we both agreed that less is more in this type of a situation because we need consistent participation to be able to regain numbers. And I think if we buy into it and make a conscious effort to abide by it, I don't see any reason we couldn't get some more milage out of the fed.
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Post by Markw on Apr 12, 2022 17:30:15 GMT -5
All sounds promising, would be good to know what plans there are re. show turnaround, whether you still sign up for individual shows within tours (/what degree of flexibility there is) and what the approach will be to match judging (in terms of whether that's mods or voting commmittee or something new).
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Post by Swarm on Apr 13, 2022 0:40:39 GMT -5
Great questions/points. I'll give my thoughts but I want to reiterate that I'm not declaring any of these things a done deal/non-negotiable. All sounds promising, would be good to know what plans there are re. show turnaround My thought on schedule would be one of two formats as follows; Tours would take place over the course of three months / twelve weeks. Within that three months shows would occur every two weeks. The day itself is arbitrary but basically cards would go up on say a Friday, the deadline to RP would be the following Friday, then results would go up on something like the following Tuesday followed by the next card on Friday and wash/rinse/repeat. The sixth of these shows would be a PPV-style show. Below is a basic breakdown of what the schedule would be. Just to reiterate, the specific days IE cards/deadlines on Friday, results thus on Tuesday is arbitrary. Also I could imagine if folks wanted the PPV results to be full-length and all of that we could back up the posting of those for a few days to account for the extra time needed and all that but ultimately the goal would be, beginning to end, the whole of the tour takes place within 12 weeks. Friday, May 6th: Card 1 is Posted & RP Window Begins Friday, May 13th: Card 1 Deadline Tuesday, May 17th: Card 1 Results are Posted Friday, May 20th: Card 2 is Posted & RP Window Begins Friday, May 27th: Card 2 Deadline Tuesday, May 31st: Card 2 Results are Posted Friday, June 3rd: Card 3 is Posted & RP Window Begins Friday, June 10th: Card 3 Deadline Tuesday, June 13th: Card 3 Results are Posted Friday, June 17th: Card 4 is Posted & RP Window Begins Friday, June 24th: Card 4 Deadline Tuesday, June 28th: Card 4 Results are Posted Friday, July 1st: Card 5 is Posted & RP Window Begins Friday, July 8th: Card 5 Deadline Tuesday, July 12th: Card 5 Results are Posted Friday, July 15th: Card 6 is Posted & RP Window Begins Friday, July 22nd: Card 6 Deadline Tuesday, July 26th: Card 6 Results are Posted Alternatively, we could do it as a five show format where the same format as above applies for shows 1-4 but then the final, PPV-style show is given extra time both for folks to RP, like maybe a two-week RP window and then extra time to assemble full-length, PPV style results. Here's an idea of what that would look like; Friday, May 6th: Card 1 is Posted & RP Window Begins Friday, May 13th: Card 1 Deadline Tuesday, May 17th: Card 1 Results are Posted Friday, May 20th: Card 2 is Posted & RP Window Begins Friday, May 27th: Card 2 Deadline Tuesday, May 31st: Card 2 Results are Posted Friday, June 3rd: Card 3 is Posted & RP Window Begins Friday, June 10th: Card 3 Deadline Tuesday, June 13th: Card 3 Results are Posted Friday, June 17th: Card 4 is Posted & RP Window Begins Friday, June 24th: Card 4 Deadline Tuesday, June 28th: Card 4 Results are Posted Friday, July 1st: Card 5 (PPV) is Posted & RP Window Begins Friday, July 15th: Card 5 (PPV) Deadline Tuesday, July 29th: Card 5 (PPV) Results are Posted I think either format has its advantages and maybe some tours could be one and some the other. I don't think we have to be rigid about any of this, more on that in a minute... whether you still sign up for individual shows within tours (/what degree of flexibility there is) In this format and this is maybe one of the only things that I feel particularly strongly about, there would be no sign-up threads for individual shows. I don't want to come off too critical because I understand the rationale behind it but I think one thing everyone can agree on is a major culprit of this fed's decline has been the increasingly slow turnaround. It's very hard for anyone to get any momentum or feel very connected to almost any part of being involved with this when it literally takes months to get through a single event. Furthermore, even for the more committed, I know several of you who wanted to do this and had great ideas for big storylines but upon realizing it would take YEARS to get all the way through determined that wasn't the kind of commitment you could make. Something that led me to the idea of a touring format was looking at the sticking points of the process and trying to accommodate the concerns they were implemented to resolve while basically removing them to enable streamlining the process. With that said, there is always flexibility. If you tell me hey, I'm interested in having a match or two on this tour but don't really want to be booked throughout then we can always try to accommodate that. Maybe someone is a part of one tour and they shoot an angle where they are injured and only return for the big revenge match in the PPV of the next tour, right? This is ultimately about fun and community so I encourage any involvement to keep things light and we should try our best to accommodate each other, I just think ultimately a structure that preventatively accommodates any and all possible schedule conflicts has proven to be a pretty big culprit in slowing things down so much and its worth trying something different. I also think that doing things in this different way might actually inherently assuage a lot of those issues but more on that at the end. what the approach will be to match judging (in terms of whether that's mods or voting committee or something new). My hope would be that alongside folks signing up to participate in tours, we could get three or so people to sign up for tours to be official judges. Having said that, once again, we don't have to be tied down to one way of doing things. For example, when I started here there was the Vote Fed and the RP Fed. The Vote Fed involved the members of the board voting on who should win while the RP fed outcomes were determined by the mods. Maybe we could do tours sometimes that are user vote format? I really like the idea of keeping things loose and allowing for fun, different ideas to be on the table. For example I was thinking like, imagine if maybe some tours the premise of the tour is there are guest bookers for the tour. I have no idea if either party would be at all interested but this is just an example, imagine if for one tour Kyzer and Drakz were to book it IE a throwback to their ownership run in 2006. I think we are all creative people and I'm sure we all could come up with some fun ideas for things to do which, again, don't have to be all that consequential because it's three months. _________ With all that said I want to double back on what I said regarding how a different format might assuage some of the concerns present in the current format. I think we could also benefit from maybe re-imagining what being involved in this has to actually look like. I was talking to someone from here the other day and they were speaking about how the approach people took in my era and the era after such as the super long RPs, long-form storytelling, epically long results, etc... contributed to the state of things as they are. There is definitely truth there but what I felt the need to point out was that approach to this emerged out of a collection of writers such as Kyzer, EBR, myself, DGX, you, Drakz, Josh, and a ton of others of course who had the time to put in the work to write the kind of material we thought was possible with this medium. Furthermore, for a long time, we all (mostly) successfully did that and we all have written a lot of work that we are likely pretty proud of. In other words, that was the right approach for the time period it was the right approach for. Prior to 2006, things were entirely different. People did not do 50 page RPs, people did not map out storylines a year in advance. I remember one time Destroyer and The Shape had a World Title match where they each posted their respective RPs, then one of them posted a second followed by the other posting their second, then the first person posted a third followed by the other posting a third and so on and so forth until they had each posted like 20 RPs each which by the end were like, a paragraph each. It was ridiculous and everyone on the board those few days had a BLAST following it as it played out. It's one of my fondest memories in e-fedding. During that time period people would occasionally throw out the idea of RP limits and for the most part, for a while, most people were opposed to it. Limiting the amount in which people could basically try to one-up each other was antithetical to the approach people at that time took to doing this. Fast forward to 2010-2011, I would imagine suggesting word limits would have garnered a similar response. Limiting the scope of the depth of storytelling people could do with their work would have been antithetical to the approach the people involved at that time took to doing this. If you invert the demand IE word limits in 2002 or RP limits in 2010, you probably get very little resistance because people in 2002 weren't writing 50 page RPs and people in 2010 weren't writing more than one, MAYBE two RPs. What I am ultimately driving at is I don't think either approach is better or worse than the other. Over the years this fed has reflected what the people who were a part of it at any given time wanted it to be. I and a couple of others were fortunate enough to participate in multiple "eras" and it was always fun just in different ways. I think perhaps one of the factors in the fed's overall condition is none of us really feel compelled or likely are able to adhere to the model as its existed for a long time now but still feel inspired to want to be involved in some way and make use of this creative outlet. Maybe what resolves that dissonance is that re-imagining I suggested earlier of what this needs to look like. Maybe the era of 50 page RPs is over. Maybe being a part of this doesn't have to involve every match you're in requiring the greatest written work of your life. I don't know if there is a future here, that's gonna depend on whether you folks are interested in pursuing it. I'm willing to lead the charge for now if there's a desire for that but if not that's okay too. What I would ask anyone to do who's read this far and is on the fence to consider is if there's a version of this that you actually would want to be a part of. If this were to become a community with some vitality once more and an activity that we all had as much fun with as we did in the past even if it was in a different way, would you want to be a part of that? There's no wrong answer there, but if your answer to that is yes then I'm just saying we can actually build that if we want to.
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Revvie®
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 15, 2022 16:43:13 GMT -5
I think that with changing tides in a lot of our lives that have grown much older from when we first started, a change in how it is paced in an efed. I know most of efeds are long gone because they couldn't reinvent as things grew different. I might be willing for another small go around, if only to help breathe life back into this place and maybe attract newcomers to take over as we go. I think I love the idea of an rp word limit as long as it fits the match and fits with not being terribly restrictive but also force people to take more direct or creative routes instead of the long winded rps of the past, of which I was a firm believer in when I was much younger.
Something more focused and delivered regularly I think would spark more interest from new people than feeling like they are coming into something hard to get their footing in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 20:37:49 GMT -5
Hey now everyone. Mesh here. As I read along to this discussion, I was hesitant making my presence known again. Even more so coming back. I know my initial departure wasn't exactly the best and I know it wasn't handled in the best way. In fact, I will say that I handled it very poorly. I left Thunder on his own to run the fed without so much as a whisper. In fact, I didn't tell anyone. The reason why I didn't say anything to anyone was because I knew how valued I was here and knew that if I made it known that I was leaving, I would be easily convinced not to. Because deep down inside, I really didn't want to leave. I just decided to just disappear from this place in a selfish act. I know I disappointed a lot of people and I'm sure it changed the perception of me on here so firstly, I wanted to come back and sincerely apologize to anyone that I upset or disappointed for how I left so abruptly. It broke my heart to see the decline of the fed shortly after I left. That wasn't supposed to happen. I wanted the fed to thrive and carry on as it always has. As time went on, I felt more and more like I was the one that killed the WFWF. Secondly, I wanted to explain why I left in the first place. You all deserve that. I was in a very dark place at that time. I was at my lowest. I just had gotten my heart broken by the love of the life and I didn't know how to deal with it. There wasn't a day where I wasn't crying. I'd be chatting with folks on here with tears in my eyes. It was hard waking up every morning and functioning so imagine, how hard it was for me to run the fed efficiently and smoothly. I know I made many mistakes during my time at the helm but I do hope that while I was co-owner, that everyone enjoyed their time here. I was told of the past baggage that came with this place which I inherited once I became co-owner so I made it my mission to ensure that the environment of the fed was more positive and welcoming. To give some perspective, there's a lot of pain behind my original RPs. One RP was written at the hospital while my grandfather, who I idolized was on his deathbed. One RP was written literally minutes after the aforementioned break-up. While Mesh, the character was always portrayed as bubbly and colorful, the writer behind her was bleak and dull but she was something of a catharsis for me. Writing as Mesh/Billy Broom as well as every curmudgeon in this family on ours were the highlights of my life for a long time. I am doing leagues better now. I'm getting back in shape, eating right, shining at work, I adopted a minimalist-esque lifestyle and decluttered 99.9% of my things which did wonders for my mental health and through Buddhism, I learned about mediation and being present in the moment and living a calmer and more peaceful life. Most importantly, I managed to get over my ex, which I never thought would be possible. When I left, it felt like a part of me was missing. Like something in my life was gone. That's when I knew that I loved this place. And all of you. I'm not expecting to be welcomed back so easily but I hope that I can earn everyone's trust again and be a part of the fed for the foreseeable future. veronicaaaahhhh - I miss you. I am so sorry for disappearing on you. I hope you manage to see this. <3 Johnny Mason - I owe you a storyline. If you're still around, let's finish what we started. Thirdly, Swarm - We haven't had the pleasure of talking before but it's nice to finally meet another name of the past. I'm 100% on board with this new direction of the fed. I am willing to do anything needed to help the fed. I've always likened Mesh to someone like Jake Roberts - their character being strong enough that they didn't need to win the big one. I want to tell good, memorable stories first and foremost. I do like the fact that we, as a collective have all agreed that match summaries are the way to go when putting shows together. The one thing that would always kill me was match writing. Even the 2-3 page summaries I was doing near the end of my last run would leave completely me drained. I like the idea of building to a singular pay-per-view every month as opposed to the standard formula of having one pay-per-view-like show every month. That will allow for everyone involved to not have to write a 200 page essay every month like we used to. If we keep things short, sweet and for lack of a better word, minimal it could result in bigger turnout from the roster and that is what is needed: consistency. I think you, good sir and Thunder (if he's still active on here) are the best people to lead this new charge to the WFWF and inject a new dose of life in this place. Coming back as Mesh/Billy Broom full-time, I would be available to assist in pretty much every WFWF function needed. I'm here to stay.
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