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Post by vampiroporvida on Apr 3, 2020 13:45:39 GMT -5
Hello all, whom do you think that either came from somewhere, or went elsewhere from WWF/E, had their shinning moments, their best wrestling, etc., in their tenure with WWE.
I might say CM Punk. I didn't much like him previously from what I had seen, sans the TNA version (Julio Dinero and the pepsi plunge era), but he seemed to have a cleaner move set, and his promos were fire, when he was in the E. Oddly, that seemed to be his perfect fit.
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P.S: For anyone that disagrees with any choice, what match would you say to watch that would show the best side of them?
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Post by drifter on Apr 3, 2020 14:12:16 GMT -5
I think I would put Eddie Guerrero in that category. He was great where ever he went, but really shined in WWE. Between the pairing with Chyna, to Los Guerreros to his single run, he really got to shine, with his personality.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 3, 2020 15:01:06 GMT -5
I feel this way about most of the top ROH guys that came over. Kevin Owens, Seth Rollins, Punk, Adam Cole, and probably, albeit not as clearcut for me, Bryan. I'd say all of those guys hit another star level inside of WWE, even with having a ton of their greatest matches prior to arriving. I think Tyler Black vs Davey at DBDVIII is still the very best match of Rollins' career but I think he's undoubtedly been at his very best in WWE. Punk has that MITB2011 match but Punk vs Joe II is one of the greatest matches of all time, as well. Cole's had the luxury of having the same style of matches in NXT that he had in ROH, but he's still at higher in-ring level than he's ever been before imo.
End of the day, I'd say Jericho because his prime came in WWE. 97-98 WCW and 2019 AEW Jericho have been my favorite all-time Jericho, though. Stone Cold Steve Austin and Mick Foley are two really big ones. I'd say Scott Hall and Kevin Nash, too, even though I loved both guys immensely in WCW.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Apr 3, 2020 20:43:40 GMT -5
Stone Cold Steve Austin!
Nobody outshined more than this guy. Being a midcarder in WCW (still like the Hollywood Blondes and his Steamboat feud) then to go to ECW for a bit. Letting out those frustrations with WCW and Hogan on his promos. To come to WWE as the Ringmaster, a gimmick that was bound to fail. He over came it all and created his own path as, Austin 3:16!
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Post by jayrod2009 on Apr 3, 2020 22:08:51 GMT -5
I feel this way about most of the top ROH guys that came over. Kevin Owens, Seth Rollins, Punk, Adam Cole, and probably, albeit not as clearcut for me, Bryan. I'd say all of those guys hit another star level inside of WWE, even with having a ton of their greatest matches prior to arriving. I think Tyler Black vs Davey at DBDVIII is still the very best match of Rollins' career but I think he's undoubtedly been at his very best in WWE. Punk has that MITB2011 match but Punk vs Joe II is one of the greatest matches of all time, as well. Cole's had the luxury of having the same style of matches in NXT that he had in ROH, but he's still at higher in-ring level than he's ever been before imo. End of the day, I'd say Jericho because his prime came in WWE. 97-98 WCW and 2019 AEW Jericho have been my favorite all-time Jericho, though. Stone Cold Steve Austin and Mick Foley are two really big ones. I'd say Scott Hall and Kevin Nash, too, even though I loved both guys immensely in WCW. I think Nash and Hall peeked in WCW. They had this untouchable swagger to them. Not that I didn't enjoy the WWE return run. Alister Black is my pick. Tommy End was entertaining but his indy character was just a bad ass MMA guy from Amsterdam. He now has an amazing character, one of the greatest entrances of today, and a fantastic entrance theme. |
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Post by shanieomaniac on Apr 3, 2020 22:14:30 GMT -5
I second Stone Cold. He pretty much owned the Attitude Era along with The Rock.
Triple H is another. His WWE run is so monumental that most people don't even realize he was in WCW.
But as for more traditional choices, Eddie was gold in WWE. Straight up shining gold.
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Post by OTC Waxbender on Apr 4, 2020 1:51:59 GMT -5
Some will call it crazy but I have to say Goldberg.
He was an immovable object in WCW until a taser but once he started working his was through the top WWE guys was I sure he was the real deal back in the day. Of course his exit was done in a dumb fashion but that's alright. He had plenty of good WWE matches that weren't just squash matches and even better rivalries.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 4, 2020 11:52:46 GMT -5
Hitman, DiBiase, Jake, Warrior all come to mind.
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Post by johnnyhanson21 on Apr 4, 2020 12:14:21 GMT -5
I would clearly go with Chris Jericho,was a mid carder at best in WCW for a few years and then when he moved onto the WWE became a main eventer,multi time world champion and delivered many great matches and a few five star classics.
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Apr 4, 2020 15:26:28 GMT -5
Bret, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie, Austin, Jake, Warrior, Bossman, Davey Boy, Anvil, Piper,Hennig, Rey (Debatable), Paul Wight in the end, Mark (Taker will be one of the greatest gimmicks of all time and no one else could play the role like him), Macho (even though his Memphis stuff was STELLAR). Rude MIGHT have actually been better in WCW...and that's saying something as he was great in WWF.
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Post by hbkowns on Apr 5, 2020 0:21:32 GMT -5
Bret comes to mind instantly. As soon as he left for WCW it was the beginning of the end for his career.
Triple H comes to mind as well. And I guess you can make a case for AJ Styles based on popularity and high profile matches. But in most cases, wrestlers have their best work outside WWE. I won’t get into the reasons why as we could all assume.
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Post by jking1979 on Apr 5, 2020 4:07:21 GMT -5
Undertaker
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 6, 2020 10:36:35 GMT -5
When he was in WCW he was nothing compared to being in WWE |
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Apr 6, 2020 12:50:14 GMT -5
Stacy Keibler- in WCW she was just a sex symbol but in WWE she was still a sex symbol but her fame reached heights she wouldnt have achieved in WCW. Let alone date George Clooney too
Molly- a valet for Macho Man in WCW, then to come to WWE and actually wrestle and build her characters out, like Molly Holly and Mighty Molly
Gregory Helms- being in 3 count as a boy band parody and then going solo to become the cruiserweight champion. His career in the WWE helped him win multiple championships and create the Hurricane gimmick which he is most recognized for, till this day.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Apr 6, 2020 14:43:14 GMT -5
I say Bret Hart.
But taker, warrior, hunter, foley are all very good choices.
Austin, Hall, Nash a teeny bit less but still fits the narrative well
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Post by The-Rock on Apr 6, 2020 23:47:48 GMT -5
I'm going to say Booker T. He really didn't get a chance or even become a factor in WCW until it was a mess and didn't matter anymore. However, since day 1 in WWE he was treated as legit talent and never ventured below the upper-mid card. The only Wrestlemania he didn't have a match at, per se, was 21...and he wont the battle royal.
I think Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Benoit, Jericho, RVD, all the indy darlings like Punk/Bryant/etc. would be on the list too since they were well established and knows before they got to WWE.
I think the Austin, HHH, Undertaker, etc. type arguments are pointless because none of those guys really had long, established careers before coming to WWE.
In terms of established guys who left WWE and did much better, I think that list is really only limited to Nash, Hall, Jeff Jarrett, Scott Steiner.
I think it's more interested to debate whether guys like Hogan, Savage, Styles, Big Show, Christian, or Luger were better in WWE or their other promotions. Styles is the only TNA guy to come to WWE and get as much/more of a chance.
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Post by drifter on Apr 8, 2020 12:57:56 GMT -5
I'm going to say Booker T. He really didn't get a chance or even become a factor in WCW until it was a mess and didn't matter anymore. However, since day 1 in WWE he was treated as legit talent and never ventured below the upper-mid card. The only Wrestlemania he didn't have a match at, per se, was 21...and he wont the battle royal. I think Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Benoit, Jericho, RVD, all the indy darlings like Punk/Bryant/etc. would be on the list too since they were well established and knows before they got to WWE. I think the Austin, HHH, Undertaker, etc. type arguments are pointless because none of those guys really had long, established careers before coming to WWE.
In terms of established guys who left WWE and did much better, I think that list is really only limited to Nash, Hall, Jeff Jarrett, Scott Steiner. I think it's more interested to debate whether guys like Hogan, Savage, Styles, Big Show, Christian, or Luger were better in WWE or their other promotions. Styles is the only TNA guy to come to WWE and get as much/more of a chance. I can see your argument of Triple H and Undertaker's careers before the WWE, but I don't agree with Austin. Austin definitely had established himself before coming in to the WWF in 1996. The Hollywood Blondes were an over attraction in WCW, he was a two time US Champion, two time TV Champion (one of only 4 guys to hold the belt past 300 Days), and a Tag Team Champion. He also had 2 pretty memorable feuds during that run, against the Horsemen when he was in the Blondes, and then Ricky Steamboat. |
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