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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Apr 7, 2020 15:36:32 GMT -5
Over the past few years Takers main feature is his entrance. Whether it's Mania or any other PPV, people tune in to hear the bells, see the mist and watch him walk to the ring.
He may not be as good in the ring anymore, but that doesn't matter because people will always watch when he's on.
As far as the streak goes, if it were to end it should've been sooner rather than later. After years of building it up, it was destroyed in a matter of minutes for no purpose whatsoever.
It was unique and something that will never be replicated again.
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Post by Decky on Apr 7, 2020 15:55:26 GMT -5
He should’ve retired at 20-0 after the End of an Era match, end of. That being said I haven’t really been interested in anything he did from 2013-now until the Boneyard match, that was fantastic. Taker should have retired at Mania 29. Shawn, Michael and Taker standing on the ramp should have been the last we ever seen of him. 21-0. Perfect. That was WrestleMania 28 and it was 20-0. I stand by what I said. He should have retired at mania 37. 28-13. Perfect! |
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Post by Cameron Stone on Apr 7, 2020 20:34:07 GMT -5
Meh I'm ok with it. Especially knowing Taker wanted it to end far earlier than it did.
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lion2step91
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Post by lion2step91 on Apr 8, 2020 0:43:22 GMT -5
I could swear I recall a rumor that he wanted Edge to beat him, but they decided not to because of Flair having his last match the same night.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 8, 2020 8:58:33 GMT -5
Or since he turned 93. Really went downhill.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Apr 8, 2020 12:06:07 GMT -5
Old. Not very mobile. Not the best matches.
Still gets louder pops than anyone on the roster.
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Post by rkmo: Garbage Collector on Apr 8, 2020 12:23:49 GMT -5
I could swear I recall a rumor that he wanted Edge to beat him, but they decided not to because of Flair having his last match the same night. I vaguely remember hearing that too, but Edge pushed back on it plus "sending the fans home happy" with their match being the closer. Many other times than that: In 2005 with Randy Orton, but like Edge he resisted. In 2006 he wanted a match with Kurt Angle which we saw the month prior at No Way Out. In 2009, it wasn't scripted but after the infamous dive he instructed the ref to shoot count him out if he couldn't regain his faculties. In 2010 he was in favor of bringing back Brock Lesnar but the company couldn't come to terms with UFC. Amazing to think something that was held in high regard amongst fans was being held by someone so giving. Most would imagine one would use all forms of politicking to keep it intact. |
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Post by judas on Apr 8, 2020 12:33:21 GMT -5
I think it was a monkey on Takers and WWE back, best to get rid of it. Taker always said he wanted it gone as it put a lot of pressure on firstly picking the right guy then the pressure on the guy after. Not sure it really mattered who got rid of the streak, they just needed to get rid of it.
Odd opponent choices and wonky storylines are what's hindered his appearances since.
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 8, 2020 15:04:42 GMT -5
The streak shouldn't have ended. Why they chose Lesnar to end it out of anyone on the roster is beyond me.
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Post by johnnyhanson21 on Apr 8, 2020 19:25:03 GMT -5
Having Brock end "The Streak" and having Undertaker continue to wrestle after the fact are two of the stupidest booking decisions that the WWE has ever made.The end of "The Streak" should have been no matter how shitty the match might have turned out the end of the Undertaker as that was basically the only thing left that kept him coming back and whomever end "The Streak" should have been a younger full time active talent that could have use the massive rub to really cement them as a legit main eventer and star and something they could build the rest of their careers on.They could have had Reigns,Rollins,Wyatt...ect any number of younger full time guys be the one to end "The Streak" but inestead gave it to a part timer in Brock who didn't need the rub at all and really got nothing out of it.Brock was already a legit badass and former WWE/UFC champion and had beaten Taker multiple times in him prime.
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Post by The-Rock on Apr 8, 2020 20:07:47 GMT -5
On one hand Orton beating him at 21 would've been amazing, but who knows what happens with Taker after that. Nothing is going to happen exactly the same way after that. 25, 26, 27, and 28 don't happen the way they did. The streak may not have ended in a good way, but it was probably better regardless that it lasted as long as it did. 25, 27, and 28 didn't need the streak it was just straight up grudge matches. 26 could have been prefaced as just a career vs career match. |
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Post by The-Rock on Apr 8, 2020 20:11:13 GMT -5
I feel the same, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks maybe he was meant to go over Brock but being knocked dopey in the early part of the match he was too out of it to kick out of the pin attempt and lost the match on accident. Hence why brocks music didn't play straight away. This knocked his confidence, and the match with Goldberg didn't do him any favours. The mania 36 match seemed like a way to move on from the dead man gimmick as it had taken a pounding in the last few years and lost some credibility. I've heard people bring this up on facebook, and my counter point is this. When he lost, they immediately put a graphic up on the trons that read 21-1. It was stylized and obviously pre-designed. If he wasn't meant to lose, they wouldn't have had that ready to go. Right. At first it seemed like it was a mistake but I think that was all done for dramatic effect, they wanted to hear the crowd reactions and let it sink in rather than blast Lesnar's music and rush it along. |
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Post by The-Rock on Apr 8, 2020 20:18:32 GMT -5
My fantasy booking, beginning in 2013 and having the convenience of hindsight: WM 29: have the Brock Lesnar match here and save us from Trips-Lesnar. Have to sacrifice the Punk match, but perhaps inserting him in the main event doesn't result in such the burnt bridge and can be revisited on a later date (not gonna speculate on when/if that would happen, for brevity). And Brock doesn't win here. WM 30: Bray Wyatt. Huge mistake not having that match here. Atmosphere was perfect. Wyatt was as hot as he could have been. Could actually have a legit build and let it be more than "how is Taker gonna be?" since the Streak would still be there. Having Harper and Rowan at ringside lends credibility that Bray can get the win as a rookie. I'm gonna project Bray isn't gonna suffer an ankle injury during the walkthrough. Wyatt proves to be legit, but not enough. WM 31: Plenty of tweaking needed on this card, the bottom of modern Manias for me. Aside from the obligatory Sting matchup, I have always wanted John Cena in this spot. Cena was just being nudged toward the other side of that cliff, so why not. Rusev doesn't get cut off here, and Cena doesn't sully Americans' image by proving true every darn thing Rusev had been saying. More of a match than the actual 2018 squash, but result stays the same. WM 32: Said it recently on here, swap Brock and Taker. Let Dean Ambrose pull more from the Deadman in the "No Holds Barred" Street Fight, and try to pay Lesnar enough to sell for Shane lmao WM 33: If Sting was in 2015, squeeze Cena in here to save us from King's insipid commentary and the engagement fiasco. If not, have a good old-fashioned squash with Baron Corbin. Corbin has the mouth to draw heat and get a pop when he gets decimated. WM 34: Move the Reigns match back a year. Not a fan of their impromptu No Holds Barred stip, but since it is a crutch for both men, it's whatev to me. With the Streak still intact, there's at least no chance in hell Vince lets Da Big Dawg eat the heat here. WM 35: When does the Streak end? Right here. Who gets the honors? Drew McIntyre. Has the proper shoulders to carry the weight. Has the in-ring ability to shield himself from the heat from smarks. Launches his resurrected career while also having the future ahead of him to make the achievement merely one of many. *This also assumes Taker had enough respect for his nation's values and ideals to not accept blood money to grant good PR for a despotic ruler. I'm on board with all of that except WM 32 and 35, I think having streak v. shane's ownership just flows better...high stakes vs. high stakes always is intriguing. |
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Post by The-Rock on Apr 8, 2020 20:47:07 GMT -5
People can say what they want about Brock, but when Undertaker was wrestling once a year and smashing through the roster, everyone said it was his mistique, he was a big enough star that it was right for him to do it blah, blah, blah. But, when Brock does exactly the same thing after a combined ten years on the WWE roster, he's thought of as some sort of piece of crap. you’re really going to compare a guy who stayed true to the company for close to 30 years to a guy who took off after the business handed him absolutely everything it could within 2 years? sorry, but there is no room in comparison. if taker was capable of wrestling more he would’ve. I agree with K5. Something that another person mentioned here is that Brock was already an established star at this point. He didn't need the victory, I legit thought going into this match it was gonna be like everything else where it's a great match...the opponent goes the distance but ultimately loses to Undertaker because that's how it works. Taker's Wrestlemania matches (besides maybe Orton and HBK) were never about the outcome...was about the match itself and how good he was going to make someone else look in JUST falling short. Since his resurrection as Deadman Undertaker in 2004, he has always been kind of a mystical character...and it fed into that...how much could he endure or could his opponent endured until they succumbed to him. With regard to what Brock does now...it is different. Undertaker was never the champion when he was a part timer. His last run with the belt in 2009 or 2010 he was a full-time performer when he held it. However, that's not what the WWE is going for with Brock. With Brock the WWE wants to make him an attraction and they treat him like a boxer or MMA fighter that makes sporadic appearances and it's a big deal when he fights. Sure that hurts their product for everything besides the big PPVs/shows, but Brock puts guys overs when the time comes. |
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Post by rkmo: Garbage Collector on Apr 8, 2020 20:50:25 GMT -5
I'm on board with all of that except WM 32 and 35, I think having streak v. shane's ownership just flows better...high stakes vs. high stakes always is intriguing. May just be my extreme disdain for Shane and specifically how he was reintroduced, the insult to intelligence that a suit can be inserted into Hell in a Cell with the freaking Undertaker off the street and nearly win with moves he picked up from doing Taebo in the morning. |
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Post by The-Rock on Apr 8, 2020 20:52:45 GMT -5
I'm on board with all of that except WM 32 and 35, I think having streak v. shane's ownership just flows better...high stakes vs. high stakes always is intriguing. May just be my extreme disdain for Shane and specifically how he was reintroduced, the insult to intelligence that a suit can be inserted into Hell in a Cell with the freaking Undertaker off the street and nearly win with moves he picked up from doing Taebo in the morning. It's pro wrestling, so you kind of suspend your disbelief from the get go. Shane vs. brock would've been fine. But then do Cena vs. Undertaker. |
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Post by The-Rock on Apr 8, 2020 20:55:42 GMT -5
The Undertaker hasn't really been the same since he got old would also be a good headline for this thread. The loss to Brock isn't the issue, the loss to Reigns isn't the issue, the problem is that Taker is just old now. His matches in the ring should go no more than 5 minutes. The reason why the boneyard match worked so good was because it wasn't steady. It was like a movie so they got to stop during a lot of it. If all of Taker's matches were boneyard matches then he could easily do this for a few more years. I think that's a given, but even so, the appeal of seeing Undertaker fight AJ styles in a movie match...or seeing that 10-second match against Cena...they lacked the same "oomph" Since Undertaker became a guy who only wrestles 1-2 shows a year it didn't really matter what he did in the ring..everyone knew he was an old guy. |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Apr 8, 2020 21:01:18 GMT -5
Honestly it just got pissed away
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 13, 2020 8:20:20 GMT -5
I'm on board with all of that except WM 32 and 35, I think having streak v. shane's ownership just flows better...high stakes vs. high stakes always is intriguing. May just be my extreme disdain for Shane and specifically how he was reintroduced, the insult to intelligence that a suit can be inserted into Hell in a Cell with the freaking Undertaker off the street and nearly win with moves he picked up from doing Taebo in the morning. I’ve always felt that Dean and Shane should have switched roles at WM32. Do Ambrose/Taker inside HIAC since Taker would have been up for more spots unlike Brock, and Brock could have been Vince’s hired gun to prevent Shane from taking over. |
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Post by sracores on Apr 13, 2020 19:01:38 GMT -5
Horrible decision. Lesnar didn’t need the win here. Killed Takers magic a bit. He will always be my favorite wrestler but after this loss, it kinda hurt him.
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