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Post by jking1979 on Apr 25, 2020 20:01:18 GMT -5
Vince had serious options to make this work and create stars but Vince & Steph never bothered their hole doing it because they preferred to flush $$$$ and pad their ego than give the fans what they wanted. Ratings decline shows folks weren't into it and were disappointed. He had the tools to make it work. Easy hits to get the angle pumping... 1) Drop grudges for the sake of making $$. That means taking Douglas contract and using him FFS. 2) Scrap the stalker storyline....good God. 3) Benoit is going out injured..you give the invaders credit for that 100%..and in doing so have a storyline waiting for Benoit on his return. Give it to someone like Lance Storm who could have used the rub. He even adopts the "Candian Crippler" moniker to mick Benoit. Benoit was hot when he got injured...this would have worked. 4) Use Mike Awesome as one of the main guys. Yes he did the dirt on Heyman but he was hardly the only one & business first. 5) Jericho turns @ Invasion & takes the belt off Austin @ Summerslam. Nuclear heat from the turn & cemented as the top guy by going over Austin. 6) Big Show...why wasn't he utilised? He certainly could have gave the Invaders more credibility but then again nobody was interested in that. 7) Rhino in particular shouldn't have debuted until the Invasion angle...his role as a bystander for March/April/May took the shine off him. Had he debuted as part of the Invasion? We would have had another player. 8) People on here will always say Vince couldn't afford Goldberg. Bullsh*t. The buyrate for Invasion was a monster...if Goldberg had been on there? It would have paid for his buyout no problem. 9) Flair should have been earnestly negotiated with to participate. Flair has said he was willing....Flair as the head of WCW & Heyman as the head of ECW? Now we are cooking. But all the above hinges on folks wanting to do the angle properly. Which they never did. I like your idea about Ric Flair. It could have been Eric Bischoff and Ric Flair. Big Show was great as The Giant in WCW.
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Post by jking1979 on Apr 26, 2020 15:28:05 GMT -5
Vince McMahon doesn't like pushing wrestlers that made it big in WCW over his own superstars. He screwed over DDP with that stupid gimmick.
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Post by MKSavage on Apr 27, 2020 8:11:51 GMT -5
I think it would have been better if they didn't go with the invasion angle right away since they didn't have the big stars. It probably would have been better to wait until the big name stars contracts with time warner/AOL ran out a year later. What they could have done was start adding the WCW guys that wanted to come in right away (Buff, Booker, DDP, among others) as new WWE guys not as invasion wrestlers but as new wrestlers to the company. Then when Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sting, Goldberg, etc. became available start with the invasion angle. From there, the WCW guys that were already in WWE could have started turning on WWE and joining the newly added big name WCW guys. Then you could have had a true invasion angle. They maybe could have done something with Ric Flair being the co-owner at the time being the one who brought in the WCW guys to turn on WWE sort of as the leader of the group, and since he had power he would have had the authority to do so. Also, it probably wouldn't be best to add all the big names at once, let them come in spread out so you have interesting reveals week after week, or month after month. However, I don't think it was just Vince and some of the top executives at the WWE at the time that didn't want to put over WCW guys coming in, I believe Cornette said that some of the top wrestlers didn't want to do that as well. The invasion angle was never going to work if the WWE guys didn't put over the WCW guys first to make them appear legit before the WCW guys put back over the WWE guys in the end.
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Post by jking1979 on Apr 27, 2020 17:49:32 GMT -5
I think it would have been better if they didn't go with the invasion angle right away since they didn't have the big stars. It probably would have been better to wait until the big name stars contracts with time warner/AOL ran out a year later. What they could have done was start adding the WCW guys that wanted to come in right away (Buff, Booker, DDP, among others) as new WWE guys not as invasion wrestlers but as new wrestlers to the company. Then when Hogan, Hall, Nash, Sting, Goldberg, etc. became available start with the invasion angle. From there, the WCW guys that were already in WWE could have started turning on WWE and joining the newly added big name WCW guys. Then you could have had a true invasion angle. They maybe could have done something with Ric Flair being the co-owner at the time being the one who brought in the WCW guys to turn on WWE sort of as the leader of the group, and since he had power he would have had the authority to do so. Also, it probably wouldn't be best to add all the big names at once, let them come in spread out so you have interesting reveals week after week, or month after month. However, I don't think it was just Vince and some of the top executives at the WWE at the time that didn't want to put over WCW guys coming in, I believe Cornette said that some of the top wrestlers didn't want to do that as well. The invasion angle was never going to work if the WWE guys didn't put over the WCW guys first to make them appear legit before the WCW guys put back over the WWE guys in the end. That would be giving the wrestling fans what they want. Vince McMahon doesn't like to do that most of the time. It would have helped establish the WCW guys as superstars while waiting for the other ones. Booker T was red hot before WCW closed down.
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Post by The-Rock on May 13, 2020 23:33:07 GMT -5
Anyone think there was a chance the entire angle could've been on hold until more stars contracts ran out? I know with the purchase the story was hot but bringing in true WCW stars to invade later would've still done major business. With the guys they did have there was just no way the angle could've played out as big as it could or should have. I think there's 2 reasons why...(1) the longer you wait, the longer WCW has been gone, and the less of a big del the feud becomes and (2) they needed a marquee storyline because 2 of their 3 biggest starts (Rock, HHH) were out in addition to a guy they had just started to push (Benoit).
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Post by The-Rock on May 13, 2020 23:38:52 GMT -5
To me I could have lived without the whole invasion angle. As stated by others, the owner of a promotion is never going to put another over. It would be like an admission that the other promotion was at least on the same level as themselves. That being said, it was better the way that big stars were staggered in the way that they came in. For example if the NWO came in the spring of 2001, come the following Wrestlemania they would have been a spent force and the Rock-Hogan match would have lost a lot of its shine IMO. And although Goldberg never made the impact we hoped for, to me, it was better he came in on his own in 2003 (I think) than as part of a group in 2001 that was doomed to fail. In my view it has nothing to do with putting over the other promotions talent. To not do any iteration of the storyline would have been to just flush away a million dollar idea. For years it had been WWE vs. WCW and this was their chance to finally give that to fans. I agree that it was smart to stagger guys. Even more so because if they hadn't it would have come at the expense of tv exposure of WWF guys who had just busted their tail for the last 6-18 months (e.g. the hardys, E/C, dudleys, etc.). It's about getting the most out of each guy (which is why I agree with the OP, and I apologize for my near identical thread sharing my independently developed but near identical ideas), and putting Jericho and Big Show on WCW's side would have given them more bang for their buck...especially in the case of Big Show who was barely used.
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Post by The-Rock on May 13, 2020 23:39:43 GMT -5
Here's my post from my (unintentionally) duplicate post:
If I had booked it (using only who was actually signed and/or not injured, and not rewriting history of things like Shawn Stasiak not leaking their involvement in WM 17 which led to it being cancelled), I would have started it in a similar manor but had a slower build. At first, I would have had Shane consistently trying to recruit or align himself with wrestlers, insinuating that certain guys were under appreciated in the WWE and would be treated better in Shane's WCW and/or that a storm was coming in that they had a chance to be on the right side of history. I would have had Booker T shown up and gotten involved in Shane's feud with Kurt Angle...as well as let Booker T make it to the finals of, if not win, the King of the Ring with Shane's help.
Prior to the Austin/Jericho/Benoit, possibly even a week or 2 before it, we would've seen Shane individually proposition each guy and offered to help Austin retain as well as Jericho/Benoit finally beat Austin and become the world champion. Shane would get involved in Austin's match to help him beat someone, only for Austin to deliver a stunner and beat him down (thereby effectively rebuffing Shane's offer), Jericho would verbally run down Shane and say he'd never get involved with a McMahon, and ultimately it would seem like Shane and Benoit were reigniting their prior alliance from Summer 2000 (this would have also worked since Benoit was feuding with Angle at the time as well). Then at KOTR, I would have had Shane get involved so that Jericho won the title, and it was revealed Jericho was actually aligned with Shane.
Then at the next PPV (in July 2001, but which would not have been InVasion) Jericho (on behalf of Shane McMahon) would have faced off against Austin (on behalf of Vince McMahon), with the stipulation that if Jericho retained Shane McMahon would be given creative control to run WCW segments during Raw and Smackdown. Whereas if Austin won, he would regain the title and Shane's WCW vision would be banned. In the weeks leading up to this we would have seen Shane having phone conversations announcing that certain wrestlers (e.g., DDP, Buff Bagwell, The New Blood, etc.) would be among those joining his new promotion once Jericho defeated Austin. A critical part of this would be to still have Shane and Jericho being the faces to Austin/McMahon's heels in the way in which WCW/Shane were originally presented. The prospect of these new superstars coming to the WWF is a positive in fans eyes. That's also important for the longevity of the storyline because roles need to gradually change.
The main event would have seen interference from Shane, Vince, Booker T, and Kurt Angle...but ultimately DDP would have come from the crowd and delivered the diamond cutter to secure Jericho's victory (similar to how Booker T actually debuted at KOTR in 2001). The next night few shows would have worked in the same way the real InVasion storyline went on...guys like Storm, Palumbo/O'haire, etc. debuted and interfered in WWF matches. The first WCW main event would have been DDP vs. Booker T in a match to determine would would face Chris Jericho in a match to determine the new, and 1st, WCW champion. I would have had Austin/Angle interfere in this match in the same manner they did with the Booker T/Bagwell match. As well as had other WCW/WWF guys fight it out. Ultimately, the ECW component of the InVasion would have played out ht same way with SummerSlam serving as the the inaugural brawl ppv. The big storyline would have also been which side is The Rock going to join. Instead of the main event being Austin/Jericho/Undertaker/Kane/Angle vs. Booker T/DDP/Dudleys/Rhyno(like InVasion)...it would have been Austin/Undertaker/The Rock/Angle/Big Show vs. Jericho/Booker T/DDP/Buff Bagwell/Rhyno...with Big Show turning on the WWF to join the Alliance in secure them the victory.
By this point, a lot of the storylines and defections would have been pushed back by a month tor two. The InVasion was in full swing by late June, whereas here it's not really going until Mid August. At the October PPV, Kurt Angle would defect to the Alliance. Kurt would reveal the next night on Raw that he was sick of playing second fiddle to The Rock and Austin by Vince, and that Shane and WCW's new president made him an offer he simply couldn't refuse. There would be a lot of references to this new WCW president, who would be teased to be revealed at Survivor Series. Survivor Series would also feature the real vengeance Main Event with the identical undisputed title unification match, except Ric Flair would have debuted (revealed to be the WCW president) to assist Jericho with winning and becoming the first undisputed champion.
I think December could have had a War Games or Hell in a Cell type of match between Team WWF vs. Team WCW. Royal Rumble would have still seen McMahon vs. Flair, HHH return and win the Rumble, etc. A lot of December 2001 and onwards would be similar to Nov 2001 and onwards in which it would have been WWE-Vince vs. WCW-Flair. One thing I never liked about the Vince/Flair storyline is that they made Flair seem like he was this kind redneck style millionaire (look at the Raw Christmas party episode), rather than how he was portrayed everywhere else the rest of his career - so that would be another tweak. Another change I think that would have been great, and would have saved Booker T, would be to have down DDP's proposed People's Champion vs People's Champion feud between The Rock and DDP.
In contrast to Vince McMahon injecting the nWo to kill the WWF, Vince would cut a promo that he was going to kill WCW once and for all in the same way it had been done before...by unleashing the nWo. nWo would debut at No Way Out and do pretty much the same stuff they did anyways, proving to be a rogue faction that would ultimately align themselves with WCW. Then at WrestleMania it's WWE vs. WCW once and for all with whoever wins the most matches taking control.
The card doesn't need to really change (I copied the order of the matches and somehow it works perfectly):
RVD (face in the alliance) defeats Regal (or whoever) to become IC Champion: 1-0 Alliance DDP defeats Christian for EU Championship: 2-0 Alliance Maven defeats a variety of WWF and WCW wrestlers: 2-1 Alliance Angle defeats Kane: 3-1 Alliance Undertaker defeats Flair: 3-2 Alliance Edge defeats Booker T: 3-3 Tie Austin beats Hall/Nash: 4-3 WWE (this also becomes a much bigger moments because the WWF finally takes the lead) Billy/Chuck defeat a mix of teams: 4-4 Tie Rock beats Hogans: 5-4 WWF Jazz beats Trish & Lita: 5-5 Tie HHH beats Jericho 6-5 WWE wins.
This doesn't really change much with the draft because Vince regained control of Raw within the first month of the draft. With a surplus of talent that Vince acquires he decides its best to split the show into 2 separate brands that will be managed by two commissioners, both being former WWF commissioners. Smackdown will be drafted and run by Mick Foley...and Raw will be drafted and run by...Shawn Michaels. Ultimately HBK has to step down as commissioner in order to face HHH, at which point Bischoff would enter the picture.
What's crazy is that this booking doesn't require any different wrestlers being in the company at a different time, and all the ultimate outcomes of WWE stay the same. All it does is just rework a lot of poor intermediary points. With Rock, Austin, Undertaker, and Edge's victory's at WM 18, the WWF actually defeats the real WCW in a way that manners. WrestleMania X8 also takes on greater significance, specifically the HHH/Jericho match (which didn't really have legs to it other than the HHH/Stephanie sub-storyline) is now about WWE's White Knight (the returning HHH) defeating the man who is essentially responsible for all of this (Chris Jericho, who becomes an even bigger heel than he was in 2002).
This also would have made a lot more sense among the HHH vs. Sting match in that HHH would have been the guy who ended WCW 13 years before Sting arrived, and now he was ultimately going to get to do it.
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Post by The-Rock on May 13, 2020 23:52:30 GMT -5
Vince legit should have just waited. If he would have waited until 2003 to do the invasion he would have had Goldberg, Steiner, Hogan, Hall, Nash, and others. But then again, when WCW died, Hall wasn't even signed with WCW, Nash was out injured, Hogan was at home, Goldberg was at home, Steiner was injured, so anyone who really watched WCW at the end did see guys like O Haire, Palumbo, DeMott, Chavo and Kidman. I think WWE was doomed either way. Wait too long, it won't matter. Do the invasion with lesser than main event talent, doesn't matter. I think if you do it with too many WCW stars you risk exposing WWE as an inferior show. As big of stars as Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Angle, and HHH (who was injured were)...Jericho wasn't quite prime time yet, Kane was always kind of a 2nd tier main eventer, and the rest of WWF'sguys were mostly team guys (hardys, E+C, APA, etc). To keep things even and competitive, well established WCW main event guys would have had to given the rub to very young and very unproven Edge and Jeff Hardys, which wasn't going to happen. It's interesting that the lasting effects of the invasion were (1) Booker T integration into the WWE as a mainstay, (2) RVD's integration into WWE as a fan favorite mainstay, (3) Jericho being established as a world champion and top heel, (4) Edge and Christian splitting and becoming formidable upper middle card guys. Everything else in the WWF's status quo was just noise and stayed the same. The sweet spot is about 4-5 main event guys. The bigger issue is that a lot of the Alliance guys were these no name, new blood rising and ECW guys who had barely been in WCW. They needed to utilize more of the Saturn, malenko, Bagwell, Kanyon, Guerrero, Alex Wright, Kidman, Raven types instead of Bill DeMott, Chavo, Helms, Tazz/Credible/Dreamer types.
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Post by jking1979 on May 14, 2020 17:21:14 GMT -5
I think it is funny how WWE makes some of their superstars look like legit tough guys over WCW guys like the Steiner Brothers, Harlem Heat, Fit Finlay, Perry Saturn, The Barbarian and Meng. That is the real problem with Vince McMahon.
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Post by Armbar on May 15, 2020 18:39:53 GMT -5
Vince McMahon doesn't like pushing wrestlers that made it big in WCW over his own superstars. He screwed over DDP with that stupid gimmick. Fast track to current day Vince doesn't like pushing millennials (even if they are home brewed) over relics like Goldberg.
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Post by jking1979 on May 15, 2020 20:52:48 GMT -5
Vince McMahon doesn't like pushing wrestlers that made it big in WCW over his own superstars. He screwed over DDP with that stupid gimmick. Fast track to current day Vince doesn't like pushing millennials (even if they are home brewed) over relics like Goldberg. Yes. Vince McMahon does make good decisions sometimes. It's nice to see former WCW guys get some respect.
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Post by jking1979 on May 15, 2020 21:01:08 GMT -5
Ric Flair as the President of WCW would be a great idea.
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Post by TheXtremisT on May 17, 2020 6:32:12 GMT -5
Here's my post from my (unintentionally) duplicate post: If I had booked it (using only who was actually signed and/or not injured, and not rewriting history of things like Shawn Stasiak not leaking their involvement in WM 17 which led to it being cancelled), I would have started it in a similar manor but had a slower build. At first, I would have had Shane consistently trying to recruit or align himself with wrestlers, insinuating that certain guys were under appreciated in the WWE and would be treated better in Shane's WCW and/or that a storm was coming in that they had a chance to be on the right side of history. I would have had Booker T shown up and gotten involved in Shane's feud with Kurt Angle...as well as let Booker T make it to the finals of, if not win, the King of the Ring with Shane's help. Prior to the Austin/Jericho/Benoit, possibly even a week or 2 before it, we would've seen Shane individually proposition each guy and offered to help Austin retain as well as Jericho/Benoit finally beat Austin and become the world champion. Shane would get involved in Austin's match to help him beat someone, only for Austin to deliver a stunner and beat him down (thereby effectively rebuffing Shane's offer), Jericho would verbally run down Shane and say he'd never get involved with a McMahon, and ultimately it would seem like Shane and Benoit were reigniting their prior alliance from Summer 2000 (this would have also worked since Benoit was feuding with Angle at the time as well). Then at KOTR, I would have had Shane get involved so that Jericho won the title, and it was revealed Jericho was actually aligned with Shane. Then at the next PPV (in July 2001, but which would not have been InVasion) Jericho (on behalf of Shane McMahon) would have faced off against Austin (on behalf of Vince McMahon), with the stipulation that if Jericho retained Shane McMahon would be given creative control to run WCW segments during Raw and Smackdown. Whereas if Austin won, he would regain the title and Shane's WCW vision would be banned. In the weeks leading up to this we would have seen Shane having phone conversations announcing that certain wrestlers (e.g., DDP, Buff Bagwell, The New Blood, etc.) would be among those joining his new promotion once Jericho defeated Austin. A critical part of this would be to still have Shane and Jericho being the faces to Austin/McMahon's heels in the way in which WCW/Shane were originally presented. The prospect of these new superstars coming to the WWF is a positive in fans eyes. That's also important for the longevity of the storyline because roles need to gradually change. The main event would have seen interference from Shane, Vince, Booker T, and Kurt Angle...but ultimately DDP would have come from the crowd and delivered the diamond cutter to secure Jericho's victory (similar to how Booker T actually debuted at KOTR in 2001). The next night few shows would have worked in the same way the real InVasion storyline went on...guys like Storm, Palumbo/O'haire, etc. debuted and interfered in WWF matches. The first WCW main event would have been DDP vs. Booker T in a match to determine would would face Chris Jericho in a match to determine the new, and 1st, WCW champion. I would have had Austin/Angle interfere in this match in the same manner they did with the Booker T/Bagwell match. As well as had other WCW/WWF guys fight it out. Ultimately, the ECW component of the InVasion would have played out ht same way with SummerSlam serving as the the inaugural brawl ppv. The big storyline would have also been which side is The Rock going to join. Instead of the main event being Austin/Jericho/Undertaker/Kane/Angle vs. Booker T/DDP/Dudleys/Rhyno(like InVasion)...it would have been Austin/Undertaker/The Rock/Angle/Big Show vs. Jericho/Booker T/DDP/Buff Bagwell/Rhyno...with Big Show turning on the WWF to join the Alliance in secure them the victory. By this point, a lot of the storylines and defections would have been pushed back by a month tor two. The InVasion was in full swing by late June, whereas here it's not really going until Mid August. At the October PPV, Kurt Angle would defect to the Alliance. Kurt would reveal the next night on Raw that he was sick of playing second fiddle to The Rock and Austin by Vince, and that Shane and WCW's new president made him an offer he simply couldn't refuse. There would be a lot of references to this new WCW president, who would be teased to be revealed at Survivor Series. Survivor Series would also feature the real vengeance Main Event with the identical undisputed title unification match, except Ric Flair would have debuted (revealed to be the WCW president) to assist Jericho with winning and becoming the first undisputed champion. I think December could have had a War Games or Hell in a Cell type of match between Team WWF vs. Team WCW. Royal Rumble would have still seen McMahon vs. Flair, HHH return and win the Rumble, etc. A lot of December 2001 and onwards would be similar to Nov 2001 and onwards in which it would have been WWE-Vince vs. WCW-Flair. One thing I never liked about the Vince/Flair storyline is that they made Flair seem like he was this kind redneck style millionaire (look at the Raw Christmas party episode), rather than how he was portrayed everywhere else the rest of his career - so that would be another tweak. Another change I think that would have been great, and would have saved Booker T, would be to have down DDP's proposed People's Champion vs People's Champion feud between The Rock and DDP. In contrast to Vince McMahon injecting the nWo to kill the WWF, Vince would cut a promo that he was going to kill WCW once and for all in the same way it had been done before...by unleashing the nWo. nWo would debut at No Way Out and do pretty much the same stuff they did anyways, proving to be a rogue faction that would ultimately align themselves with WCW. Then at WrestleMania it's WWE vs. WCW once and for all with whoever wins the most matches taking control. The card doesn't need to really change (I copied the order of the matches and somehow it works perfectly): RVD (face in the alliance) defeats Regal (or whoever) to become IC Champion: 1-0 Alliance DDP defeats Christian for EU Championship: 2-0 Alliance Maven defeats a variety of WWF and WCW wrestlers: 2-1 Alliance Angle defeats Kane: 3-1 Alliance Undertaker defeats Flair: 3-2 Alliance Edge defeats Booker T: 3-3 Tie Austin beats Hall/Nash: 4-3 WWE (this also becomes a much bigger moments because the WWF finally takes the lead) Billy/Chuck defeat a mix of teams: 4-4 Tie Rock beats Hogans: 5-4 WWF Jazz beats Trish & Lita: 5-5 Tie HHH beats Jericho 6-5 WWE wins. This doesn't really change much with the draft because Vince regained control of Raw within the first month of the draft. With a surplus of talent that Vince acquires he decides its best to split the show into 2 separate brands that will be managed by two commissioners, both being former WWF commissioners. Smackdown will be drafted and run by Mick Foley...and Raw will be drafted and run by...Shawn Michaels. Ultimately HBK has to step down as commissioner in order to face HHH, at which point Bischoff would enter the picture. What's crazy is that this booking doesn't require any different wrestlers being in the company at a different time, and all the ultimate outcomes of WWE stay the same. All it does is just rework a lot of poor intermediary points. With Rock, Austin, Undertaker, and Edge's victory's at WM 18, the WWF actually defeats the real WCW in a way that manners. WrestleMania X8 also takes on greater significance, specifically the HHH/Jericho match (which didn't really have legs to it other than the HHH/Stephanie sub-storyline) is now about WWE's White Knight (the returning HHH) defeating the man who is essentially responsible for all of this (Chris Jericho, who becomes an even bigger heel than he was in 2002). This also would have made a lot more sense among the HHH vs. Sting match in that HHH would have been the guy who ended WCW 13 years before Sting arrived, and now he was ultimately going to get to do it. Sounds good, would definitely have worked better but I would have 100% assumed Shane and Jericho (WCW side) could not at all have been faces against the WWF. The fans were too loyal.
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Post by TheXtremisT on May 17, 2020 6:37:08 GMT -5
I would have kept much the same as it did happen mainly because they needed to capitalise on WCW as quick as possible and the big stars were sitting out.
I would have first of all brought in Jarrett (Vince would need to leave his ego at the door), kept Bagwell (and disciplined him), maybe Luger (but as a mid-card role only, similar to how DDP was), DDP would have been a true main eventer and threat, and paid out Flair's contract to bring him in earlier. Like right at the start. Maybe do the same for someone else, like Steiner (although he was a hot head and exposed in 2003, so who knows). Booker T would have been as protected as he was but not made a joke in front of the Rock.
So Team WCW would have been Flair, DDP, Booker T, Bagwell and Jarrett. Booked STRONG. No Vince burying ego, no "Stephanie buying ECW" and making this too much McMahon vs McMahon. Just Shane and Paul as the Alliance leaders. Then have Big Show and Jericho as defectors. That way, WCW would have been a real credible threat. Kronik should have been more too. Very disappointed with that.
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Post by JokerFC on May 17, 2020 7:41:53 GMT -5
I would have kept much the same as it did happen mainly because they needed to capitalise on WCW as quick as possible and the big stars were sitting out. I would have first of all brought in Jarrett (Vince would need to leave his ego at the door), kept Bagwell (and disciplined him), maybe Luger (but as a mid-card role only, similar to how DDP was), DDP would have been a true main eventer and threat, and paid out Flair's contract to bring him in earlier. Like right at the start. Maybe do the same for someone else, like Steiner (although he was a hot head and exposed in 2003, so who knows). Booker T would have been as protected as he was but not made a joke in front of the Rock. So Team WCW would have been Flair, DDP, Booker T, Bagwell and Jarrett. Booked STRONG. No Vince burying ego, no "Stephanie buying ECW" and making this too much McMahon vs McMahon. Just Shane and Paul as the Alliance leaders. Then have Big Show and Jericho as defectors. That way, WCW would have been a real credible threat. Kronik should have been more too. Very disappointed with that. Its worth noting that Steiner was only exposed in 2003 because of his drop foot injury. He didn't have that in 2001....also if he had been booked a bit more wisely in 2003? theyd have got more outta him...IMHO.
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Post by TheXtremisT on May 17, 2020 9:59:12 GMT -5
I would have kept much the same as it did happen mainly because they needed to capitalise on WCW as quick as possible and the big stars were sitting out. I would have first of all brought in Jarrett (Vince would need to leave his ego at the door), kept Bagwell (and disciplined him), maybe Luger (but as a mid-card role only, similar to how DDP was), DDP would have been a true main eventer and threat, and paid out Flair's contract to bring him in earlier. Like right at the start. Maybe do the same for someone else, like Steiner (although he was a hot head and exposed in 2003, so who knows). Booker T would have been as protected as he was but not made a joke in front of the Rock. So Team WCW would have been Flair, DDP, Booker T, Bagwell and Jarrett. Booked STRONG. No Vince burying ego, no "Stephanie buying ECW" and making this too much McMahon vs McMahon. Just Shane and Paul as the Alliance leaders. Then have Big Show and Jericho as defectors. That way, WCW would have been a real credible threat. Kronik should have been more too. Very disappointed with that. Its worth noting that Steiner was only exposed in 2003 because of his drop foot injury. He didn't have that in 2001....also if he had been booked a bit more wisely in 2003? theyd have got more outta him...IMHO. True, and I had known about that, but was that the reason he got gassed so much in the matches with Triple H, or was it the adapting to WWE style matches and the demands of arguably a much larger stage than he had had as a main eventer in WCW? In terms of exposed, it wasn't just his wrestling skill, but other factors like cardio, stage fright.... Did they contribute? We could compare to 2006-2008 TNA Steiner (even slightly after his thoraxic surgery), he was a great wrestler, but protected in matches and on a smaller stage. I think he just couldn't hack it in WWE as a main eventer.
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Post by jking1979 on May 17, 2020 15:13:11 GMT -5
Vince McMahon should have established the young talent of WCW while waiting on the legends that were locked up in a Time Warner contract. Scott Steiner would dominate the WWE roster with no problem.
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Post by The-Rock on May 17, 2020 17:23:32 GMT -5
I would have kept much the same as it did happen mainly because they needed to capitalise on WCW as quick as possible and the big stars were sitting out. I would have first of all brought in Jarrett (Vince would need to leave his ego at the door), kept Bagwell (and disciplined him), maybe Luger (but as a mid-card role only, similar to how DDP was), DDP would have been a true main eventer and threat, and paid out Flair's contract to bring him in earlier. Like right at the start. Maybe do the same for someone else, like Steiner (although he was a hot head and exposed in 2003, so who knows). Booker T would have been as protected as he was but not made a joke in front of the Rock. So Team WCW would have been Flair, DDP, Booker T, Bagwell and Jarrett. Booked STRONG. No Vince burying ego, no "Stephanie buying ECW" and making this too much McMahon vs McMahon. Just Shane and Paul as the Alliance leaders. Then have Big Show and Jericho as defectors. That way, WCW would have been a real credible threat. Kronik should have been more too. Very disappointed with that. Its worth noting that Steiner was only exposed in 2003 because of his drop foot injury. He didn't have that in 2001....also if he had been booked a bit more wisely in 2003? theyd have got more outta him...IMHO. Steiner had the misfortune of being the first superstar that faced HHH amidst the formation of Evolution. It also didn't help that they debuted him against not even mid carders in an unadvertised PPV segment.
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Post by jking1979 on May 17, 2020 22:16:28 GMT -5
I would have put Brad Armstrong on the WCW side. He was a great talent.
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Post by jking1979 on May 24, 2020 19:56:36 GMT -5
I would buy a WCW PPV if they did it right. They could bring in Sting, Steiner Brothers and Bill Goldberg for the big names.
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