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Post by jking1979 on May 5, 2020 16:23:13 GMT -5
Do you think WCW would still be around if Hulk Hogan didn't use his power to stop the NWO Wolfpac storyline? I read that Kevin Nash wanted to start his own group and Hulk Hogan was jealous of his popularity.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 16:57:41 GMT -5
Wcw may still be alive today if Jamie Kellner didn’t take them off TBS and TNT. I don’t think it was any storyline(s) that really killed WCW though Russo’s booking in 2000 made Kellner’s decision easy.
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Post by LA Times on May 5, 2020 17:00:02 GMT -5
Four things that killed WCW:
1) Kevin Nash ending Goldberg's streak/Fingerpoke of Doom
2) Hiring Vince Russo
3) David Arquette winning the WCW World Championship
4) Jamie Kellner cancelling Nitro and Thunder
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Post by Nivro™ on May 5, 2020 17:06:53 GMT -5
Four things that killed WCW: 1) Kevin Nash ending Goldberg's streak/Fingerpoke of Doom
2) Hiring Vince Russo
3) David Arquette winning the WCW World Championship4) Jamie Kellner cancelling Nitro and Thunder Ill agree partly with you. While the above mentioned were all terrible booking decisions, Nitro was pulling ratings good enough to be on air (far better than those currently by AEW on the same network)....Kellner just wanted wrestling off the channel. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 17:19:49 GMT -5
WWE has had lots of terrible storylines and decisions since buying WCW but they always get the tv deals renewed. WCW wasn’t so lucky.
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Post by PJ on May 5, 2020 17:25:20 GMT -5
Russo and Arquette were the first two nails in WCW’s coffin.
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Post by jking1979 on May 5, 2020 18:07:51 GMT -5
I would rather have Kevin Sullivan over Vince Russo. I always thought Arn Anderson should be involved with the backstage stuff. He has a great mind for pro wrestling.
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Post by jking1979 on May 5, 2020 18:16:59 GMT -5
I don't think BATB 2000 helped things either. Vince Russo shouldn't have called out Hulk Hogan on television like that. It made me embarrassed to be a wrestling fan. I had no problem with him trying to elevate Jeff Jarrett and Booker T.
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Post by MKSavage on May 5, 2020 18:33:14 GMT -5
Four things that killed WCW: 1) Kevin Nash ending Goldberg's streak/Fingerpoke of Doom
2) Hiring Vince Russo
3) David Arquette winning the WCW World Championship4) Jamie Kellner cancelling Nitro and Thunder Ill agree partly with you. While the above mentioned were all terrible booking decisions, Nitro was pulling ratings good enough to be on air (far better than those currently by AEW on the same network)....Kellner just wanted wrestling off the channel. Yeah, I remember hearing that Bischoff had a team and they were willing to purchase WCW (at a higher price than the WWF did) but once AOL/Time Warner said that they wouldn't have WCW on their channels Bischoff's team felt it wasn't worth purchasing and bowed out. |
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Post by Mongo Bears on May 5, 2020 18:41:52 GMT -5
Wcw was already dead by then
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Post by jking1979 on May 5, 2020 19:47:06 GMT -5
Who could have been the top guys in 2000? I think Booker T, DDP and Scott Steiner did well around that time.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 20:14:33 GMT -5
cancelled off tv did it. too bad lots of stars were leaving but they coulda weathered the storm and still been around today. think of all the stars goin back n forth over the years. too bad. kinda like UFC & PridefC for me.
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Post by LA Times on May 5, 2020 20:46:07 GMT -5
Who could have been the top guys in 2000? I think Booker T, DDP and Scott Steiner did well around that time. They also had big plans for Sean o haire |
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Post by jking1979 on May 5, 2020 20:58:52 GMT -5
WCW still had alot of great talent in 2000. They just needed guys like Kevin Sullivan, Arn Anderson and Jake "The Snake" Roberts backstage instead of Vince Russo.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 5, 2020 22:28:28 GMT -5
WCW could have gotten Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock in January 2001 and it wouldn't matter to to the higher ups for that TV network. They wanted wrestling off TNT and TBS. The WWE itself could have tried to come on that network and it wouldn't have worked then.
No bad booking, or finger poke of doom, or Hulk Hogan, or Russo, or anything like that was the cause of WCW dying. Just the TV network not wanting them on their TV network will do the trick!
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on May 6, 2020 4:48:41 GMT -5
Do you think WCW would still be around if Hulk Hogan didn't use his power to stop the NWO Wolfpac storyline? I read that Kevin Nash wanted to start his own group and Hulk Hogan was jealous of his popularity. Hogan was a big part of WCW's slide long before that. He was instrumental in bringing in many of his former friends/WWF talent and giving them huge contracts. Couple this with Bischoff's questionable leadership skills and Ted Turner's indifference to what was happening with his money, and it was only a matter of time before WCW got in serious financial trouble. |
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Post by JokerFC on May 6, 2020 13:32:35 GMT -5
In January of 1998 the only folk DX was booed against were SCSA & UT. Vince & HBK talked about turning the group face after WM14 but keeping their antics the same because with the direction they were going? It was 100% going to work (it did even without HBK). HBK wanted the NAO in the group straight after RR but Vince said no...with Tyson going to be in there? It was a "too many cooks" situation so they agreed to wait until after WM & the Tyson angle.
Hall & Nash got wind of this (presumably from HBK) & very much liked the sound of it. They proposed to Eric with help from DDP that they split from the nWo & become a faction called the Wolfpac...cooler & hipper and obviously Kid was to be included on his return...
Bisch agreed but not on them leaving the nWo..he was nervous about splitting the faction but felt this face group could work. The 2 boys proposed the membership be Them, Kid, Konnan, Hennig & Bagwell. Hall wanted Steiner( who hadn't even turned yet) But he wanted to be full blown heel after the Steiner's split.
Hogan bitched saying they were taking all the "cool guys" and that was that. Nash only got Konnan because Kid was fired. He then eneded up with the super hip & spry Luger & Savage...LOL.
Meanwhile HBK got injured...Waltman jumped & HHH took over & brought in the NAO as planned for a huge success.
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Post by Yambag Jones on May 6, 2020 14:17:46 GMT -5
Who could have been the top guys in 2000? I think Booker T, DDP and Scott Steiner did well around that time. They also had big plans for Sean o haire Don't forget Chuck Palumbo. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on May 6, 2020 14:25:11 GMT -5
Four things that killed WCW: 1) Kevin Nash ending Goldberg's streak/Fingerpoke of Doom
2) Hiring Vince Russo
3) David Arquette winning the WCW World Championship4) Jamie Kellner cancelling Nitro and Thunder Ill agree partly with you. While the above mentioned were all terrible booking decisions, Nitro was pulling ratings good enough to be on air (far better than those currently by AEW on the same network)....Kellner just wanted wrestling off the channel. Their ratings were going down and comparing WCW & AEW ratings are bogus. 2 different companies in 2 totally different times. Ratings are down across the board for everything let alone wrestling. Bad booking leads to bad ratings. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 6, 2020 14:29:50 GMT -5
In January of 1998 the only folk DX was booed against were SCSA & UT. Vince & HBK talked about turning the group face after WM14 but keeping their antics the same because with the direction they were going? It was 100% going to work (it did even without HBK). HBK wanted the NAO in the group straight after RR but Vince said no...with Tyson going to be in there? It was a "too many cooks" situation so they agreed to wait until after WM & the Tyson angle.
I legit wonder how that would have worked?? Not saying HBK being in the group after WM14 as faces wouldn't have worked, but HBK was such a glory hog for that WWE Title, I can't imagine him taking a backseat to Steve Austin, as Austin reigned supreme all through 1998 and most of 1999.
Would Shawn have went for the IC Title and feud with The Rock?? Would he take a managerial role on Raw and wrestle at the big PPV events??
Just with how it went down with Triple H becoming the leader, and X-Pac returning and joining DX along with the Outlaws, it seemed to just work perfectly that way.
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