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Post by JokerFC on May 6, 2020 15:59:30 GMT -5
In January of 1998 the only folk DX was booed against were SCSA & UT. Vince & HBK talked about turning the group face after WM14 but keeping their antics the same because with the direction they were going? It was 100% going to work (it did even without HBK). HBK wanted the NAO in the group straight after RR but Vince said no...with Tyson going to be in there? It was a "too many cooks" situation so they agreed to wait until after WM & the Tyson angle.
I legit wonder how that would have worked?? Not saying HBK being in the group after WM14 as faces wouldn't have worked, but HBK was such a glory hog for that WWE Title, I can't imagine him taking a backseat to Steve Austin, as Austin reigned supreme all through 1998 and most of 1999.
Would Shawn have went for the IC Title and feud with The Rock?? Would he take a managerial role on Raw and wrestle at the big PPV events??
Just with how it went down with Triple H becoming the leader, and X-Pac returning and joining DX along with the Outlaws, it seemed to just work perfectly that way.
Apparently he was ok with being out of the title picture...it was all agreed with Vince. He would turn face after Vince berated him in public or something similar. Many reckon they were planning a programmer where HHH would turn on DX which ended up happening anyway... without the HBK feud. |
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Post by jking1979 on May 6, 2020 21:30:31 GMT -5
Yes. I know Jamie Kellner didn't want wrestling on the network. It's sad because WCW probably would have made a better product soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 22:10:21 GMT -5
to bad another network didnt buy it and keep it going. even MTV or something!
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Post by jking1979 on May 6, 2020 22:43:34 GMT -5
to bad another network didnt buy it and keep it going. even MTV or something! That would have been a great idea because WCW was trying to be cool and have realistic storylines. |
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Post by K5 on May 6, 2020 23:41:50 GMT -5
are you claiming that hogan turned his back on the Wolfpack, so WCW ended up in a body bag?
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Post by nibs92 on May 7, 2020 3:02:08 GMT -5
I think when Time Warner merged with AOL, that was the beginning of the end.
Ted Turner lost a lot of power and when Jamie Kelner came along, Turner could only sit back and watch WCW be taken off the air. The promotion had too many overheads to survive without TV revenue (and exposure).
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 13:00:55 GMT -5
I think when Time Warner merged with AOL, that was the beginning of the end. Ted Turner lost a lot of power and when Jamie Kelner came along, Turner could only sit back and watch WCW be taken off the air. The promotion had too many overheads to survive without TV revenue (and exposure). Yup this is exactly it. You agree it wasn’t any bad storylines or who the champion was didn’t matter right? I’m not defending Arquette and Russo winning the titles, but if we think about it, that didn’t singlehandedly kill wcw. |
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Post by jking1979 on May 7, 2020 15:12:57 GMT -5
You can bet WCW would still be around if Ted Turner didn't lose his power. The guy loved the wrestling business and WCW wasn't making any profit until Hulk Hogan was a part of the roster.
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Post by nibs92 on May 7, 2020 16:15:45 GMT -5
I think when Time Warner merged with AOL, that was the beginning of the end. Ted Turner lost a lot of power and when Jamie Kelner came along, Turner could only sit back and watch WCW be taken off the air. The promotion had too many overheads to survive without TV revenue (and exposure). Yup this is exactly it. You agree it wasn’t any bad storylines or who the champion was didn’t matter right? I’m not defending Arquette and Russo winning the titles, but if we think about it, that didn’t singlehandedly kill wcw. Yeah I agree. The bad booking turned off a lot of fans, but the opposite side of that if you look at the whole outsider/NWO angle in the beginning and how many fans that attracted, if WCW hit on a great storyline they could have become number one again. But without a medium of exposure (TV) it was never going to happen. And as much as us fans can argue that wrestling is one of the greatest forms of entertainment, the Kelner’s of this world are never going to understand! |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 16:22:22 GMT -5
Wcw could have been salvaged if Kellner didn’t pull it off the network.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2020 16:27:30 GMT -5
You can bet WCW would still be around if Ted Turner didn't lose his power. The guy loved the wrestling business and WCW wasn't making any profit until Hulk Hogan was a part of the roster. I read somewhere(death of wcw book maybe?) that wcw almost shut down in 1992, but Turner wanted it to stay. |
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Post by PJ on May 7, 2020 16:31:16 GMT -5
Of course Kellner not wanting them on the tv stations are what ultimately killed WCW. But as a fan Russo and Arquette are what soured me on WCW and started getting me to tune into the WWF again.
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Post by K5 on May 8, 2020 21:18:09 GMT -5
You can bet WCW would still be around if Ted Turner didn't lose his power. The guy loved the wrestling business and WCW wasn't making any profit until Hulk Hogan was a part of the roster. I read somewhere(death of wcw book maybe?) that wcw almost shut down in 1992, but Turner wanted it to stay. considering they never turned a profit until Bischoff and he took over in 93ish, that sounds about right |
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Post by jking1979 on May 8, 2020 21:35:33 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan wanted to feud with his old friends from WWE while pushing Sting and Ric Flair to the side.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 17:14:16 GMT -5
I read somewhere(death of wcw book maybe?) that wcw almost shut down in 1992, but Turner wanted it to stay. considering they never turned a profit until Bischoff and he took over in 93ish, that sounds about right People that were working under Turner that hated wrestling were rejoicing because they thought wcw was done, but Turner liked it so it stayed. It would have sucked if wwe didn't have any competition throughout the 90s. It may have never gotten hot! |
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Post by JokerFC on May 16, 2020 6:42:52 GMT -5
considering they never turned a profit until Bischoff and he took over in 93ish, that sounds about right People that were working under Turner that hated wrestling were rejoicing because they thought wcw was done, but Turner liked it so it stayed. It would have sucked if wwe didn't have any competition throughout the 90s. It may have never gotten hot! It 100% wouldn't have taken off again. Vince needed the competition in 1996 to show him that folks weren't buying what he was selling anymore & that he needed to change. |
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Post by jking1979 on May 17, 2020 22:17:49 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan didn't want to lose to Arn Anderson and Bret Hart.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 14:23:46 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan didn't want to lose to Arn Anderson and Bret Hart. Didn’t he lose to Arn in 1996? Anyway Hogan refusing to do jobs to anyone had 0 to do with wcw’s death. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on May 18, 2020 22:25:00 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan wanted to feud with his old friends from WWE while pushing Sting and Ric Flair to the side. That put WCW in a big hole. Hogan came in and wanted to revisit a lot of old WWF feuds and angles. Hence we got an influx of guys signed to big contracts like Honky Tonk Man, Brutus, Earthquake, Hacksaw, etc. That turned off a lot of veteran NWA/WCW fans, but it didn't capture in the interest of WWF fans either. It wasn't until WCW lured some fresh WWF main-eventers in Hall and Nash that they started to turn a corner creatively and briefly, financially. |
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