briskski
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Post by briskski on May 30, 2020 19:53:30 GMT -5
Martha is 1000% percent right standing her ground on everything she wants. It was her husband that was taken from her, not just some wrestler. Time heals and forgiveness is given, but, things will never be forgotten. Completely agree. Fair enough. But robbing fans of anything involving him is not right. People loved him. I saw him wrestle myself. Her pain is understanding, but don't kick his accomplishments under the rub and justify it with "I lost Owen...wrestling took him from me. I do not want his life associated with wrestling". Remember Owen's choice and love in life behind his family was wrestling. He did not like or agree with the attitude era while he was alive. It's well known. But for the sport itself he did. She met him as a wrestler. He came from a family of wrestlers. No matter the circumstances of his death, stand strong and honor what he left and lived for. Don't shy from it like it never happened. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 22:05:17 GMT -5
Have you listened to her talk on Jericho's podcast or on Meltzer's? If not I'd definitely recommend it. (To everyone actually, they were both great to listen to). I want to say Meltzer put his up for free, so even if you don't subscribe to WON you can still listen to it.
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Post by JTG on May 31, 2020 10:44:09 GMT -5
Fair enough. But robbing fans of anything involving him is not right. People loved him. I saw him wrestle myself. Her pain is understanding, but don't kick his accomplishments under the rub and justify it with "I lost Owen...wrestling took him from me. I do not want his life associated with wrestling". Remember Owen's choice and love in life behind his family was wrestling. He did not like or agree with the attitude era while he was alive. It's well known. But for the sport itself he did. She met him as a wrestler. He came from a family of wrestlers. No matter the circumstances of his death, stand strong and honor what he left and lived for. Don't shy from it like it never happened. From what I gathered it isn't that Martha wants to brush Owen's wrestling legacy under the rug. It was made very clear how much Owen loved the industry, but also that he had an endgame in sight for his family. It's more so that she does not want WWE to profit off of his name for any future merchandising, Hall of Fame induction, etc. If she was truly shying away from the industry she wouldn't have given her recent interviews or participated in The Dark Side of the Ring episode. In fact, she really didn't bury the industry as a whole at all. It was WWE that she was critical of. |
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Post by PJ on Jun 1, 2020 8:44:43 GMT -5
If Owen was around I'm sure he would not exactly be thrilled that his wife is causing the next generation of fans to have absolutely no idea who he was, other than perhaps being Bret's brother. I think he would understand her reason but not agree with it. Women can take things too far sometimes. I think Bret knows what's best for Owen's legacy personally. If Owen was still around then of course there wouldn’t be the animosity towards Vince and the WWE for taking her husband and children’s father. So naturally things would be different now. But that’s not how things turned out. Even if she was a wrestling fan prior to Owen’s death she has every right to feel the way she does about dealing with the WWE or wrestling in general now. |
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Post by K5 on Jun 1, 2020 11:24:27 GMT -5
Owen had already turned down too many angles involving sex and debauchery and insulting his family’s name. the blue blazer was Russo and McMahon’s attempt at doing something with Owen that he’d actually commit to. Owen was in zero position to say no.
and to whoever suggest he go to wcw - the same place that had recently fired neidhart, injured British Bulldog badly with incompetence on their own part with the trap door, and were making a joke out of Bret - you think Bret was advising Owen to go to that crapshow? cmon.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jun 1, 2020 12:17:04 GMT -5
Fair enough. But robbing fans of anything involving him is not right. People loved him. I saw him wrestle myself. Her pain is understanding, but don't kick his accomplishments under the rub and justify it with "I lost Owen...wrestling took him from me. I do not want his life associated with wrestling". Remember Owen's choice and love in life behind his family was wrestling. He did not like or agree with the attitude era while he was alive. It's well known. But for the sport itself he did. She met him as a wrestler. He came from a family of wrestlers. No matter the circumstances of his death, stand strong and honor what he left and lived for. Don't shy from it like it never happened. Sorry my mate, I don't want to have an argument with you or anything but we as fans are not entitled to or owed anything. She's his wife, and what she wants is more important than what hundreds of millions of nobodies like us want. My wife >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely everyone else, and when I die what she says and wants will be law as far as I'm concerned. Owen would fully support Martha in this because his family came first. Just because we had the privilege of watching him do his thing does not mean we're entitled to more of him. I respect that you feel differently, but I can't agree. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 4, 2020 10:45:14 GMT -5
I bought the DSotR shirt. I know the image of him his meh, but I wanted to support the idea of it. Martha wants the Owen Hart Foundation to be Owen’s legacy. This was a way for the wrestling community to show her we can help her make that legacy so much stronger, specifically with our wallets.
My hope, and I wouldn’t have said this before these shirts existed, is that Jeremy will go a similar route with her for a figure, and she’ll agree. The Dark Side episode and the interviews have given me much better perspective on her. Much better perspective than her book left with me 15 years ago, anyway. I actually found Oje’s perspective the most eye-opening. I think there is a 0% chance Oje will ever work with WWE even when he controls the rights.
The two shirts were, seemingly, wildly successful from what Ryan posted. So let’s see if Martha does more with them. Maybe a micro brawler or another shirt and we just see her baby step into this thing with PWTs and AEW. I have no expectations, but I do have some hope, which is amazing at this stage.
Owen‘s passing was devastating for me. I’ve spent years conflicted over Martha’s reaction, and questioning her inability to make peace with the wrestling community. Now, as a husband and father of two myself, and having actually listened to her growth, I don’t question any of it. Her willingness to reach out to the community in this way has helped me quite a bit.
At the end of the day, I deeply miss her husband and I cling to that any way I can. It would be spectacular if Martha and Owen’s foundation were apart of that in 2020 and beyond. I think that’s kind of what most people have always wanted, is to support Owen with Martha’s blessing, and I think we’re finally seeing an avenue where that can happen.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jun 4, 2020 11:26:55 GMT -5
One of the most evil things WWE has ever done (there's a long, long list) is demonizing Martha Hart. Great interview.
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briskski
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Post by briskski on Jun 5, 2020 18:30:07 GMT -5
I watched the darkside of the ring with Owen Hart a few days ago. I've changed my opinion. She's doing good things with the foundation. So forget what I said. My bad.
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Post by knightheart on Jun 10, 2020 8:51:28 GMT -5
With Jericho dropping his latest podcast episode today featuring Martha Hart does that mean that she may be open to a figure deal with AEW and Jazwares/Wicked Cool Toys? She is telling her story recently. This podcast and Dark Side of The Ring will both make substantial advertising earnings off their Owen content. Honestly, I think we can all forget it. Putting myself in her shoes and looking around at the situation. Allow the industry that murdered her husband to continue to profit on him. That would be a huge no. I think Martha liking / disliking the industry has nothing to do with it. It’s really the same reason we are never gonna see Benoit Merch / Hall of Fame. That said I understand Ms. Hart to being living quite well on the settlement money, If she did it right She won’t need a penny for a good long time. |
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Post by snowjorden on Jun 10, 2020 10:48:08 GMT -5
With Jericho dropping his latest podcast episode today featuring Martha Hart does that mean that she may be open to a figure deal with AEW and Jazwares/Wicked Cool Toys? She is telling her story recently. This podcast and Dark Side of The Ring will both make substantial advertising earnings off their Owen content. Honestly, I think we can all forget it. Putting myself in her shoes and looking around at the situation. Allow the industry that murdered her husband to continue to profit on him. That would be a huge no. I think Martha liking / disliking the industry has nothing to do with it. It’s really the same reason we are never gonna see Benoit Merch / Hall of Fame. That said I understand Ms. Hart to being living quite well on the settlement money, If she did it right She won’t need a penny for a good long time. I really do not think she hates the industry as a whole. Her issue seems to be with only WWE. We will see though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 11:39:58 GMT -5
With Jericho dropping his latest podcast episode today featuring Martha Hart does that mean that she may be open to a figure deal with AEW and Jazwares/Wicked Cool Toys? She is telling her story recently. This podcast and Dark Side of The Ring will both make substantial advertising earnings off their Owen content. Honestly, I think we can all forget it. Putting myself in her shoes and looking around at the situation. Allow the industry that murdered her husband to continue to profit on him. That would be a huge no. I think Martha liking / disliking the industry has nothing to do with it. It’s really the same reason we are never gonna see Benoit Merch / Hall of Fame. That said I understand Ms. Hart to being living quite well on the settlement money, If she did it right She won’t need a penny for a good long time. You think the Benoit and Owen merch/hof are the same thing? Literally shaking rn |
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Post by knightheart on Jun 10, 2020 12:05:13 GMT -5
Honestly, I think we can all forget it. Putting myself in her shoes and looking around at the situation. Allow the industry that murdered her husband to continue to profit on him. That would be a huge no. I think Martha liking / disliking the industry has nothing to do with it. It’s really the same reason we are never gonna see Benoit Merch / Hall of Fame. That said I understand Ms. Hart to being living quite well on the settlement money, If she did it right She won’t need a penny for a good long time. You think the Benoit and Owen merch/hof are the same thing? Literally shaking rn I think both are taboo. It’s on the Don’t list now and will never come off is my point. |
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wheeljack83
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jun 21, 2020 10:39:35 GMT -5
Fair enough. But robbing fans of anything involving him is not right. People loved him. I saw him wrestle myself. Her pain is understanding, but don't kick his accomplishments under the rub and justify it with "I lost Owen...wrestling took him from me. I do not want his life associated with wrestling". Remember Owen's choice and love in life behind his family was wrestling. He did not like or agree with the attitude era while he was alive. It's well known. But for the sport itself he did. She met him as a wrestler. He came from a family of wrestlers. No matter the circumstances of his death, stand strong and honor what he left and lived for. Don't shy from it like it never happened. What are we being robbed of man? Merchandise? Action figures? A Hall of Fame ceremony? PWT has Owen Hart t-shirts. The Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame inducted Owen Hart, which Martha Hart approved of. Yeah, the fans loved him, and here we are in 2020. We still remember him. We haven't forgotten about him. I can't blame her for how she feels. This attitude that she's robbing fans is ridiculous. How about the fact that his wife and children were robbed of their husband and father? And they were robbed because of company neglect. Their loss is infinitely greater than the fact that I want some Owen Hart action figures and t-shirts. You can watch his whole match library on WWE. It's all there. EDIT: OK, I didn't read your later comments until after I posted this, my apologies. |
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