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Post by bWo on May 31, 2020 9:32:05 GMT -5
This is something that literally anyone with the slightest bit of common sense can agree was reprehensible and those cops should be charged to fullest extent of the law. People are pissed off, as they should be. That being said though, what does robbing and burning down people’s businesses achieve? This is past the point of protesting for justice. Now people are just using his death as an excuse to steal TVs and cause mayhem. People want the execution before the trial. That's not how the justice system works. Here's the thing, Ive been put in the same type of restraint at one time. My step father is a retired highway patrol officer, he showed us (my brother and I) about different procedures to restrain someone. You physically cannot fight back or get up with a knee in the back of your neck. While the pressure wasnt the same, at no point is there any asphyxiation in that maneuver. When I asked a couple of county cop friends of mine about the situation they said and I paraphrase, "What happened was unnecessary & inexcusable especially with him already being cuffed...but the knee to the back of the neck isnt what killed him" Everyone was calling for 1st degree murder and ready to bury all 4 cops. All 4 should be charged (I put that part in bold because Wfigs tends to have selective reading), all 4 should likely have different charges. There needs to be an investigation, there needs to be an autopsy and there needs to be an independent autopsy and THEN you follow the proper procedures to arrest the officers. If the independent autopsy gives the same results as the ME's does and the victim did have underlying medical conditions what I think happened was that they were flared up by the stress/distress that he was under and it ultimately led to his demise. The charges for the officer will be altered which he will be found guilty of but will be much less then then a sentence of 1st degree murder. I honestly expect the other officers to get much lesser charges and wouldnt be surprised if none at all. Ultimately the main officer will be charged and sentenced.... and this is where Ill put my tin hat on. He'll be charged simply for what I call the "OJ factor". Majority on this board arent old enough to remember Rodney King & OJ trials, everyone knew that OJ either committed or was involved in those murders but they also knew what reaction was going to be if found guilty. I remember clearly everyone saying he was going to get off with it because they didnt want LA to riot again like they did after the Rodney King case. This will be the same way. They will make sure someone does time (as deserved) to keep the peace but its not going to be, nor should it be, the extremes of the charges that some want for the officer. First off, you can take your tin hat off because you're 100% about the "OJ factor." Sacrificing Nicole and Ron Goldman's "justice" was a choice that was made to stop/prevent riots. Sickening. The problem here (as I see it) is most of the people on those streets smashing poop don't care about autopsy reports, the truth, or even what happened. They just want free stuff. Free iphones and shoes isn't justice for anyone, certainly not George Flynn.
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Post by LA Times on May 31, 2020 10:32:46 GMT -5
So you "fight back" by destroying everything in your path and robbing and looting stores that had nothing to do with what happened? white people set fires and done the looting probably undercover cops Its just Antifa taking advantage of the situation
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 11:13:00 GMT -5
About time people fight back sick of police thugs getting away with everything So you "fight back" by destroying everything in your path and robbing and looting stores that had nothing to do with what happened? www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/02/05/here-are-five-american-cities-which-rioted-after-sporting-success-and-defeat-7289493/amp/At least these riots are about a real cause, not cause you know, teams played sports. Although the person who posted about white people starting the riots also had a point. There are literally videos of white people looting while the protesters are yelling at them to stop. And another one of protesters protecting an officer who got separated from his post.
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Post by bWo on May 31, 2020 11:22:32 GMT -5
So you "fight back" by destroying everything in your path and robbing and looting stores that had nothing to do with what happened? white people set fires and done the looting probably undercover cops Huh?
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Post by bWo on May 31, 2020 11:25:30 GMT -5
white people set fires and done the looting probably undercover cops Its just Antifa taking advantage of the situation They more than likely are. But they aren't then only ones. Video seems to back both points.
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Post by RSCTom on May 31, 2020 11:36:32 GMT -5
If the independent autopsy gives the same results as the ME's does and the victim did have underlying medical conditions what I think happened was that they were flared up by the stress/distress that he was under and it ultimately led to his demise. The charges for the officer will be altered which he will be found guilty of but will be much less then then a sentence of 1st degree murder. I honestly expect the other officers to get much lesser charges and wouldnt be surprised if none at all. This is why people are reacting how they're reacting. If this is the justice system we're supposed to depend on, spinning an autopsy report to take care of the cops who were involved in this and giving them charges less extreme than 1st degree murder which is what's deserved, what's the point of any of it? Especially, what's the point of any of it when we're 6 years removed from Garner, 30 YEARS removed from Rodney King, almost 70 years from Emmett Till and people STILL aren't processing the fact that folks aren't held correctly accountable. Not only are there folks who are not processing it, there are still folks with even deeper issues out there who think it's NORMAL to pump bullets into a memorial sign for the same 70 year old incident for a laugh. And of course, never put in their place for it. The man had a knee on another man's neck for 9 minutes. Cries, pleas and calls for mother when he could have easily cuffed him, released him, detained him in some other way, anything that would let him up to breathe. If he and the other cops couldn't physically handle that type of restraint or didn't have the quick thinking, they shouldn't be on the police force. Period. Instead this cop with a history of the same type of (UNCHECKED!) behavior felt he had the right to play this out as he saw fit (meaning in this case slowly draining his life from him, knowingly) even though his actions were clearly beyond what should be our baseline standard for treating human beings (especially over something as stupid as a counterfeit bill). The cop is to blame for his actions, not the health of the person he was doing this to. If he isn't held accountable for it in the way he should be, we'll make absolutely no progress, again. People with this deep-seeded, ancestral mentality (or boys' club/cop brotherhood mentality, whichever one you want to focus on in him thinking he could get away with acting like this) need to change their thinking and the only way that can be done is with proper, stricter punishment. So, people are pissed and they protest. Beyond those mostly peaceful folks some people (probably with less than stellar lives in general and constantly hassled on top of it) are pissed and they let THEIR behavior hang loose and hook themselves up with some temporary indulgence of their feelings, helping themselves to some unchecked criminality in return. Incorrect, unlawful, but not unwarranted when nothing else seems to register for the people in power (because you know, a pro athlete kneeling at a football game is disrespectful and not a real, peaceful form of protest and inciting hatred against America). Looting is 100% connected to the situation at hand, whether we like it or not. Unfortunately some mom-and-pop shops suffer the consequences, but as usual large corporations don't have a lot to say other than 'we're with you, we think!' when if even ONE of them took a stand alongside the people who are hurting and said 'this is not ok and something needs to change about how we hold people accountable' the reactions would be 100x better. If Target took a real, hard line stance on this I'd think their storefronts would suffer a lot less but of course then they'll be alienating the folks who shoot signs and immediately get excited to call people 'thugs'. So the question I think people should be asking themselves isn't what's the point of looting and burning places down, it's why are people doing this? And why has nothing changed? Why are folks so much more concerned with people stealing overpriced junk than they are with the fact that this cop won't be punished like he should be? EDIT: The thread has been locked so I'm not going to respond to any of the responses I got, but want to say thanks to the folks who wrote to me for being mostly polite. I just wanted to make a quick edit to make it absolutely clear I do not support and I was not, and do not, condone any rioting or looting of any kind. I tried to make clear in my initial response that it's an illegal action and I probably shouldn't have said it's 'not unwarranted'. With that said, I was trying to point out the fact that systemic change needs to take place in many ways and until that happens, lots of people are going to have less than stellar responses in situations like this.
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Post by bWo on May 31, 2020 11:39:52 GMT -5
People rioting because of sporting events makes even less sense. Rioting period isn't going to solve anything in any circumstance though. You're not going to change someone's mind by burning their property down. They're going to resent you. Even if they agreed with your core opinion, they aren't going to anymore when you destroy their property. And yes, white people are causing problems. So are black, Hispanic, and Asian people. Men and women.
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Post by k5 on May 31, 2020 11:43:59 GMT -5
luckily those that protest the protest are asleep in their beds nice and early, so those pushing for change don’t have to hear the ‘not all cops...’, ‘racism is wrong but so is destroying stuff’, and whatever other reasoning people have for finding a reason not to support the cause.
all riots historically have featured a portion of people there that aren’t there politically. this isn’t a magic exemption. lots of drunk youth in all rebellions. the Rodney King riots got their message across, scared the shiz out of white america until the police started militarizing, and now we’ve reached the next tipping point.
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Post by bWo on May 31, 2020 12:09:43 GMT -5
luckily those that protest the protest are asleep in their beds nice and early, so those pushing for change don’t have to hear the ‘not all cops...’, ‘racism is wrong but so is destroying stuff’, and whatever other reasoning people have for finding a reason not to support the cause. all riots historically have featured a portion of people there that aren’t there politically. this isn’t a magic exemption. lots of drunk youth in all rebellions. the Rodney King riots got their message across, scared the shiz out of white america until the police started militarizing, and now we’ve reached the next tipping point. How many white people do you know are defending the cop's actions?
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Post by Nivro™ on May 31, 2020 12:11:25 GMT -5
If the independent autopsy gives the same results as the ME's does and the victim did have underlying medical conditions what I think happened was that they were flared up by the stress/distress that he was under and it ultimately led to his demise. The charges for the officer will be altered which he will be found guilty of but will be much less then then a sentence of 1st degree murder. I honestly expect the other officers to get much lesser charges and wouldnt be surprised if none at all. This is why people are reacting how they're reacting. If this is the justice system we're supposed to depend on, spinning an autopsy report to take care of the cops who were involved in this and giving them charges less extreme than 1st degree murder which is what's deserved, what's the point of any of it? Especially, what's the point of any of it when we're 6 years removed from Garner, 30 YEARS removed from Rodney King, almost 70 years from Emmett Till and people STILL aren't processing the fact that folks aren't held correctly accountable. Not only are there folks who are not processing it, there are still folks with even deeper issues out there who think it's NORMAL to pump bullets into a memorial sign for the same 70 year old incident for a laugh. And of course, never put in their place for it. The man had a knee on another man's neck for 9 minutes. Cries, pleas and calls for mother when he could have easily cuffed him, released him, detained him in some other way, anything that would let him up to breathe. If he and the other cops couldn't physically handle that type of restraint or didn't have the quick thinking, they shouldn't be on the police force. Period. Instead this cop with a history of the same type of (UNCHECKED!) behavior felt he had the right to play this out as he saw fit (meaning in this case slowly draining his life from him, knowingly) even though his actions were clearly beyond what should be our baseline standard for treating human beings (especially over something as stupid as a counterfeit bill). The cop is to blame for his actions, not the health of the person he was doing this to. If he isn't held accountable for it in the way he should be, we'll make absolutely no progress, again. People with this deep-seeded, ancestral mentality (or boys' club/cop brotherhood mentality, whichever one you want to focus on in him thinking he could get away with acting like this) need to change their thinking and the only way that can be done is with proper, stricter punishment. So, people are pissed and they protest. Beyond those mostly peaceful folks some people (probably with less than stellar lives in general and constantly hassled on top of it) are pissed and they let THEIR behavior hang loose and hook themselves up with some temporary indulgence of their feelings, helping themselves to some unchecked criminality in return. Incorrect, unlawful, but not unwarranted when nothing else seems to register for the people in power (because you know, a pro athlete kneeling at a football game is disrespectful and not a real, peaceful form of protest and inciting hatred against America). Looting is 100% connected to the situation at hand, whether we like it or not. Unfortunately some mom-and-pop shops suffer the consequences, but as usual large corporations don't have a lot to say other than 'we're with you, we think!' when if even ONE of them took a stand alongside the people who are hurting and said 'this is not ok and something needs to change about how we hold people accountable' the reactions would be 100x better. If Target took a real, hard line stance on this I'd think their storefronts would suffer a lot less but of course then they'll be alienating the folks who shoot signs and immediately get excited to call people 'thugs'. So the question I think people should be asking themselves isn't what's the point of looting and burning places down, it's why are people doing this? And why has nothing changed? Why are folks so much more concerned with people stealing overpriced junk than they are with the fact that this cop won't be punished like he should be? Cmon Tom you're smarter than that. Nobody said anything about "spinning autopsy reports"...the ME is going to run their report, as by law and everyone knows/knew the family were going to have one ran as well. Again, there's no form or fashion of strangulation with a knee in the back of your neck. It hurts like a mother er but science simply says it doesnt happen. If the independent autopsy report, that the victims family personally chose someone to do, comes back the same the argument of a coverup loses all credibility. Seriously, educating yourself on the differences in charges makes wonders. At no point could/should the police officer be charged with 1st degree murder because there's never at any point any premeditated/pre planned intent to kill him. 1st degree is literally defined as "unlawful killing with some amount of premeditation and planning." There's no proof that anything was premeditated and it would never hold up in court. Assault, battery, police brutality, manslaughter...throw everything you can at him (and Im ok with that) but you cant throw charges that dont fit the crime. The looting and rioting has nothing....NOTHING to do with the justice system being "unfair". That argument is immediately lost because they started rioting & looting before anything could even take place in the justice system. Just like the narrative of the officer being charged with 1st degree, the rioting & looting is done on pure emotion. The only thing....ONLY THING...that would have stopped or kept the riots from happening would have been the officer being charged & sentenced/executed with no trial within 24 hours of the event. At that point we're no longer in a democracy. If that's the kinda justice system you want to live in, I hear China is nice this time of year.
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Post by k5 on May 31, 2020 12:11:52 GMT -5
luckily those that protest the protest are asleep in their beds nice and early, so those pushing for change don’t have to hear the ‘not all cops...’, ‘racism is wrong but so is destroying stuff’, and whatever other reasoning people have for finding a reason not to support the cause. all riots historically have featured a portion of people there that aren’t there politically. this isn’t a magic exemption. lots of drunk youth in all rebellions. the Rodney King riots got their message across, scared the shiz out of white america until the police started militarizing, and now we’ve reached the next tipping point. How many white people do you know are defending the cop's actions? I said my opinion. I’m not interested in debating people I don’t know about issues that I’m not going to change their mind on and they’re not going to change mine. your opinion is clear, mine is as well. I’m content to leave it there.
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Post by k5 on May 31, 2020 12:22:24 GMT -5
This is why people are reacting how they're reacting. If this is the justice system we're supposed to depend on, spinning an autopsy report to take care of the cops who were involved in this and giving them charges less extreme than 1st degree murder which is what's deserved, what's the point of any of it? Especially, what's the point of any of it when we're 6 years removed from Garner, 30 YEARS removed from Rodney King, almost 70 years from Emmett Till and people STILL aren't processing the fact that folks aren't held correctly accountable. Not only are there folks who are not processing it, there are still folks with even deeper issues out there who think it's NORMAL to pump bullets into a memorial sign for the same 70 year old incident for a laugh. And of course, never put in their place for it. The man had a knee on another man's neck for 9 minutes. Cries, pleas and calls for mother when he could have easily cuffed him, released him, detained him in some other way, anything that would let him up to breathe. If he and the other cops couldn't physically handle that type of restraint or didn't have the quick thinking, they shouldn't be on the police force. Period. Instead this cop with a history of the same type of (UNCHECKED!) behavior felt he had the right to play this out as he saw fit (meaning in this case slowly draining his life from him, knowingly) even though his actions were clearly beyond what should be our baseline standard for treating human beings (especially over something as stupid as a counterfeit bill). The cop is to blame for his actions, not the health of the person he was doing this to. If he isn't held accountable for it in the way he should be, we'll make absolutely no progress, again. People with this deep-seeded, ancestral mentality (or boys' club/cop brotherhood mentality, whichever one you want to focus on in him thinking he could get away with acting like this) need to change their thinking and the only way that can be done is with proper, stricter punishment. So, people are pissed and they protest. Beyond those mostly peaceful folks some people (probably with less than stellar lives in general and constantly hassled on top of it) are pissed and they let THEIR behavior hang loose and hook themselves up with some temporary indulgence of their feelings, helping themselves to some unchecked criminality in return. Incorrect, unlawful, but not unwarranted when nothing else seems to register for the people in power (because you know, a pro athlete kneeling at a football game is disrespectful and not a real, peaceful form of protest and inciting hatred against America). Looting is 100% connected to the situation at hand, whether we like it or not. Unfortunately some mom-and-pop shops suffer the consequences, but as usual large corporations don't have a lot to say other than 'we're with you, we think!' when if even ONE of them took a stand alongside the people who are hurting and said 'this is not ok and something needs to change about how we hold people accountable' the reactions would be 100x better. If Target took a real, hard line stance on this I'd think their storefronts would suffer a lot less but of course then they'll be alienating the folks who shoot signs and immediately get excited to call people 'thugs'. So the question I think people should be asking themselves isn't what's the point of looting and burning places down, it's why are people doing this? And why has nothing changed? Why are folks so much more concerned with people stealing overpriced junk than they are with the fact that this cop won't be punished like he should be? Cmon Tom you're smarter than that. Nobody said anything about "spinning autopsy reports"...the ME is going to run their report, as by law and everyone knows/knew the family were going to have one ran as well. Again, there's no form or fashion of strangulation with a knee in the back of your neck. It hurts like a mother er but science simply says it doesnt happen. If the independent autopsy report, that the victims family personally chose someone to do, comes back the same the argument of a coverup loses all credibility. we can agree that he wasn’t face down, and so the knee was to the side back of his neck? as if he was face down we wouldn’t have seen his face or been able to hear what he said, right? well there is a guy witnessing the events in the video that says as it happens it’s a choke hold. a simple google search of ‘Brazilian knee to neck’ let’s you know quite quickly that it is indeed a jiu jitsu chokehold, and cops are regularly trained in jiu jitsu. if you’re going to continue to believe that it wasn’t a choke based on what you’ve said that’s up to you. but for others reading, I felt it needed clarification that by far the majority of people have decided that this was indeed a choke, it’s apparent in the video, and there’s no real room for argument. choke explained by an expert: www.13abc.com/content/news/Jiu-Jitsu-Instructor-shows--570842281.html
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on May 31, 2020 12:22:56 GMT -5
Makes you wonder why a reporter who was just doing his job was arrested before the murderer was arrested, huh? He was told by police to move from the location he was in. They kept saying they were from CNN and were on tv and had credentials and all kinds of things that are irrelevant because there's a riot going on and the police told you to move. The irony is of course CNN spent segment after segment scolding the police, and then when the riots hit CNN HQ in Atlanta, the police were the ones protecting their building as their reporter hid behind them safely trying to cover the destruction. Actually he asks the cop to show him where to stand. The cop then started to arrest him and his crew.
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Post by johnnyb on May 31, 2020 12:30:32 GMT -5
All I'll say is this... thank god there's an Ignore Member function on these forums.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on May 31, 2020 12:35:07 GMT -5
This is why people are reacting how they're reacting. If this is the justice system we're supposed to depend on, spinning an autopsy report to take care of the cops who were involved in this and giving them charges less extreme than 1st degree murder which is what's deserved, what's the point of any of it? Especially, what's the point of any of it when we're 6 years removed from Garner, 30 YEARS removed from Rodney King, almost 70 years from Emmett Till and people STILL aren't processing the fact that folks aren't held correctly accountable. Not only are there folks who are not processing it, there are still folks with even deeper issues out there who think it's NORMAL to pump bullets into a memorial sign for the same 70 year old incident for a laugh. And of course, never put in their place for it. The man had a knee on another man's neck for 9 minutes. Cries, pleas and calls for mother when he could have easily cuffed him, released him, detained him in some other way, anything that would let him up to breathe. If he and the other cops couldn't physically handle that type of restraint or didn't have the quick thinking, they shouldn't be on the police force. Period. Instead this cop with a history of the same type of (UNCHECKED!) behavior felt he had the right to play this out as he saw fit (meaning in this case slowly draining his life from him, knowingly) even though his actions were clearly beyond what should be our baseline standard for treating human beings (especially over something as stupid as a counterfeit bill). The cop is to blame for his actions, not the health of the person he was doing this to. If he isn't held accountable for it in the way he should be, we'll make absolutely no progress, again. People with this deep-seeded, ancestral mentality (or boys' club/cop brotherhood mentality, whichever one you want to focus on in him thinking he could get away with acting like this) need to change their thinking and the only way that can be done is with proper, stricter punishment. So, people are pissed and they protest. Beyond those mostly peaceful folks some people (probably with less than stellar lives in general and constantly hassled on top of it) are pissed and they let THEIR behavior hang loose and hook themselves up with some temporary indulgence of their feelings, helping themselves to some unchecked criminality in return. Incorrect, unlawful, but not unwarranted when nothing else seems to register for the people in power (because you know, a pro athlete kneeling at a football game is disrespectful and not a real, peaceful form of protest and inciting hatred against America). Looting is 100% connected to the situation at hand, whether we like it or not. Unfortunately some mom-and-pop shops suffer the consequences, but as usual large corporations don't have a lot to say other than 'we're with you, we think!' when if even ONE of them took a stand alongside the people who are hurting and said 'this is not ok and something needs to change about how we hold people accountable' the reactions would be 100x better. If Target took a real, hard line stance on this I'd think their storefronts would suffer a lot less but of course then they'll be alienating the folks who shoot signs and immediately get excited to call people 'thugs'. So the question I think people should be asking themselves isn't what's the point of looting and burning places down, it's why are people doing this? And why has nothing changed? Why are folks so much more concerned with people stealing overpriced junk than they are with the fact that this cop won't be punished like he should be? Cmon Tom you're smarter than that. Nobody said anything about "spinning autopsy reports"...the ME is going to run their report, as by law and everyone knows/knew the family were going to have one ran as well. Again, there's no form or fashion of strangulation with a knee in the back of your neck. It hurts like a mother er but science simply says it doesnt happen. If the independent autopsy report, that the victims family personally chose someone to do, comes back the same the argument of a coverup loses all credibility. Seriously, educating yourself on the differences in charges makes wonders. At no point could/should the police officer be charged with 1st degree murder because there's never at any point any premeditated/pre planned intent to kill him. 1st degree is literally defined as "unlawful killing with some amount of premeditation and planning." There's no proof that anything was premeditated and it would never hold up in court. Assault, battery, police brutality, manslaughter...throw everything you can at him (and Im ok with that) but you cant throw charges that dont fit the crime. The looting and rioting has nothing....NOTHING to do with the justice system being "unfair". That argument is immediately lost because they started rioting & looting before anything could even take place in the justice system. Just like the narrative of the officer being charged with 1st degree, the rioting & looting is done on pure emotion. The only thing....ONLY THING...that would have stopped or kept the riots from happening would have been the officer being charged & sentenced/executed with no trial within 24 hours of the event. At that point we're no longer in a democracy. If that's the kinda justice system you want to live in, I hear China is nice this time of year. Depends who has the better lawyer. Premeditation can happen 3 seconds before death. But we can guess who will have the better representation here.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 31, 2020 12:46:26 GMT -5
Cmon Tom you're smarter than that. Nobody said anything about "spinning autopsy reports"...the ME is going to run their report, as by law and everyone knows/knew the family were going to have one ran as well. Again, there's no form or fashion of strangulation with a knee in the back of your neck. It hurts like a mother er but science simply says it doesnt happen. If the independent autopsy report, that the victims family personally chose someone to do, comes back the same the argument of a coverup loses all credibility. Seriously, educating yourself on the differences in charges makes wonders. At no point could/should the police officer be charged with 1st degree murder because there's never at any point any premeditated/pre planned intent to kill him. 1st degree is literally defined as "unlawful killing with some amount of premeditation and planning." There's no proof that anything was premeditated and it would never hold up in court. Assault, battery, police brutality, manslaughter...throw everything you can at him (and Im ok with that) but you cant throw charges that dont fit the crime. The looting and rioting has nothing....NOTHING to do with the justice system being "unfair". That argument is immediately lost because they started rioting & looting before anything could even take place in the justice system. Just like the narrative of the officer being charged with 1st degree, the rioting & looting is done on pure emotion. The only thing....ONLY THING...that would have stopped or kept the riots from happening would have been the officer being charged & sentenced/executed with no trial within 24 hours of the event. At that point we're no longer in a democracy. If that's the kinda justice system you want to live in, I hear China is nice this time of year. Depends who has the better lawyer. Premeditation can happen 3 seconds before death. But we can guess who will have the better representation here. You and I both know there was nothing premeditated about it. Again, charge the officer to the fullest extent, I fully support that. But you have to do your due diligence to make sure the proper charges are filed so that the maximum sentence can be given. You cant just base your charges off of emotions. Again, for like the 3rd time in this post, Im not against charging & sentencing the officer. Its should be done. Im saying its not 1st degree murder that everyone is on a rampage about.... there's no evidence to support that.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 12:52:14 GMT -5
Ultimately while the exact charges for the officer are very relevant, and it is important to allow the judicial system to function properly, they are not the only reason for protest. What happened to Floyd was a catalyst for protest, and symptomatic of a nation filled with systemic racism at its core. We see similar treatment of indigenous people up north here, and likewise when calls for justice happen, it's always a catalyst from a larger system of injustice and prejudice.
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Post by bad guy™ on May 31, 2020 12:57:16 GMT -5
I'm just going to toss this add on here as I've had to delete a thing or two.
Remember my rule about not trolling or using racist terms? That's still is important and in effect. But also, if anyone spreads any kind of unsubstantiated rumors/conspiracies/fake or opinion based evidence, you'll be receiving the boot as well.
Carry on. I'm going back to sleep so my eyes stop hurting from the gas. Behave.
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Post by bWo on May 31, 2020 13:05:27 GMT -5
If the independent autopsy gives the same results as the ME's does and the victim did have underlying medical conditions what I think happened was that they were flared up by the stress/distress that he was under and it ultimately led to his demise. The charges for the officer will be altered which he will be found guilty of but will be much less then then a sentence of 1st degree murder. I honestly expect the other officers to get much lesser charges and wouldnt be surprised if none at all. This is why people are reacting how they're reacting. If this is the justice system we're supposed to depend on, spinning an autopsy report to take care of the cops who were involved in this and giving them charges less extreme than 1st degree murder which is what's deserved, what's the point of any of it? Especially, what's the point of any of it when we're 6 years removed from Garner, 30 YEARS removed from Rodney King, almost 70 years from Emmett Till and people STILL aren't processing the fact that folks aren't held correctly accountable. Not only are there folks who are not processing it, there are still folks with even deeper issues out there who think it's NORMAL to pump bullets into a memorial sign for the same 70 year old incident for a laugh. And of course, never put in their place for it. The only way to get a 1st degree murder charge is to prove the piece of poop intentionally planned to kill Floyd. They would have to prove he put his knee on Floyd's neck and wasn't going to take it off until he was dead. You have to prove that and it would be hard to do. The Manslaughter charge is what they're going for because it's considered "accidental death." Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck but he died from something else. Chauvin killed him, but it was an accident. Based on what we see and know, the manslaughter charge is easier to prove. The man had a knee on another man's neck for 9 minutes. Cries, pleas and calls for mother when he could have easily cuffed him, released him, detained him in some other way, anything that would let him up to breathe. If he and the other cops couldn't physically handle that type of restraint or didn't have the quick thinking, they shouldn't be on the police force. Period. With the already existing dozen-plus complaints against the piece of poop, absolutely he shouldn't be a cop. The other 3 showing ZERO common sense and allowing it proved their character as well. No way should they be police officers. They've been fired, and rightfully so. The force having trash like this in their department should allow for a deserving lawsuit.Instead this cop with a history of the same type of (UNCHECKED!) behavior felt he had the right to play this out as he saw fit (meaning in this case slowly draining his life from him, knowingly) even though his actions were clearly beyond what should be our baseline standard for treating human beings (especially over something as stupid as a counterfeit bill). The cop is to blame for his actions, not the health of the person he was doing this to. If he isn't held accountable for it in the way he should be, we'll make absolutely no progress, again. People with this deep-seeded, ancestral mentality (or boys' club/cop brotherhood mentality, whichever one you want to focus on in him thinking he could get away with acting like this) need to change their thinking and the only way that can be done is with proper, stricter punishment. It becomes a slippery slope because cops don't know what the health situations are of people they are arresting. Someone could have a heart attack running from the police. Someone could be fighting get tackled and hit their head and die. You can't just throw the book at any cop who has someone die in their custody. They're not all guilty.
Floyd being absolutely no threat however definitely didn't warrant the cop's reaction. Regardless of any underlining health issues (unless we find out he was on speed or coke or something) the cop increased those issues with that knee. He should be punished. What's a good punishment in your eyes? So, people are pissed and they protest. Beyond those mostly peaceful folks some people (probably with less than stellar lives in general and constantly hassled on top of it) are pissed and they let THEIR behavior hang loose and hook themselves up with some temporary indulgence of their feelings, helping themselves to some unchecked criminality in return. Incorrect, unlawful, but not unwarranted when nothing else seems to register for the people in power (because you know, a pro athlete kneeling at a football game is disrespectful and not a real, peaceful form of protest and inciting hatred against America). Looting is 100% connected to the situation at hand, whether we like it or not. Unfortunately some mom-and-pop shops suffer the consequences, but as usual large corporations don't have a lot to say other than 'we're with you, we think!' when if even ONE of them took a stand alongside the people who are hurting and said 'this is not ok and something needs to change about how we hold people accountable' the reactions would be 100x better. If Target took a real, hard line stance on this I'd think their storefronts would suffer a lot less but of course then they'll be alienating the folks who shoot signs and immediately get excited to call people 'thugs'. This isn't Target's fault. This isn't the owners of those mom-and-pop shop's fault. Nobody's storefront should have to suffer anything. Endless wrongs don't make a right. So the question I think people should be asking themselves isn't what's the point of looting and burning places down, it's why are people doing this? And why has nothing changed? Why are folks so much more concerned with people stealing overpriced junk than they are with the fact that this cop won't be punished like he should be? I think most people would like to see crooked cops get punished more harshly. I think most people would like to see murderers, rapists and pedophiles punished more harshly as well. I don't think most people think "stealing overpriced junk" is going to get those results.
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Post by Jack Specific on May 31, 2020 13:06:45 GMT -5
Ok I let this go on too long. This is not the place for this discussion. We are a wrestling & wrestling related forum, yes there is a little bit more here but as for this, there's enough chaos and anarchy in the world right now and it is no needed here. This is the place to get away from that sort of thing. There are plenty of other outlets and places to discuss this if need be, but not here. Not to mention I had to delete a racist post and the person who posted it.
Please enjoy the forum, enjoy the hobby and have fun.
Thanks! JS
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