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Post by MKSavage on Jun 27, 2020 19:48:43 GMT -5
That would be great but only if they could get legends from the Hasbro era. If this company doesn't have to do what Mattel has to do, that is get permission from AEW or have AEW sign the wrestlers to a contract beforehand, and they could do what JAKKS did and sign whomever they want, then it could work. Though, they might be limited in what characters they could release seeing how WWE has copyright on some characters from the era.
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Post by LA Times on Jun 27, 2020 20:33:42 GMT -5
Maybe the Hasbro/Retro style figures are their affordable line for the kiddies. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by stc13 on Jun 28, 2020 7:40:43 GMT -5
That would be great but only if they could get legends from the Hasbro era. If this company doesn't have to do what Mattel has to do, that is get permission from AEW or have AEW sign the wrestlers to a contract beforehand, and they could do what JAKKS did and sign whomever they want, then it could work. Though, they might be limited in what characters they could release seeing how WWE has copyright on some characters from the era. Pretty sure that is exactly what either is happening already or will at some point. AEW seems to be an easy partner to work with, and there seems to be good communication so I'm sure there would be back and forth. But I think WWE is in a league of their own when it comes to corporate control over branding. You'd be surprised how few trademarks WWE actually controls for 80's/90's properties. Trademarks expire and you need to show use to maintain control. They lost the trademark for WarGames and had to reacquire it from MLW. That's also probably a part of why NXT has done In Your House and Great American Bash events recently. But a lot of the performer trademarks expired and were either trademarked by another party or are just out there right now.
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Post by newgenandy on Jun 28, 2020 9:45:05 GMT -5
That would be great but only if they could get legends from the Hasbro era. If this company doesn't have to do what Mattel has to do, that is get permission from AEW or have AEW sign the wrestlers to a contract beforehand, and they could do what JAKKS did and sign whomever they want, then it could work. Though, they might be limited in what characters they could release seeing how WWE has copyright on some characters from the era. Pretty sure that is exactly what either is happening already or will at some point. AEW seems to be an easy partner to work with, and there seems to be good communication so I'm sure there would be back and forth. But I think WWE is in a league of their own when it comes to corporate control over branding. You'd be surprised how few trademarks WWE actually controls for 80's/90's properties. Trademarks expire and you need to show use to maintain control. They lost the trademark for WarGames and had to reacquire it from MLW. That's also probably a part of why NXT has done In Your House and Great American Bash events recently. But a lot of the performer trademarks expired and were either trademarked by another party or are just out there right now. Correct, you can’t just have a trademark to prevent others using it. You need to show intention and use of the trademark
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jun 28, 2020 13:33:22 GMT -5
You guys get it ^^^.
I wouldn’t expect this company to knock it out of the park on the first try but it is definitely possible. Even if they are online exclusives, they could still get away with charging double what they would have at retailers to help offset the cost...and people would but it. Again though, everything is speculation.
Here are a list of names that were never made from the “New Generation” era (Summer Slam 93 - Wrestlemania 13). A lot of them might not be possible or would have very low demand. Others could be a hit: Barry Horowitz Bob Holly (Racecar Driver) Savio Vega Hakushi Chris Candido (Skip) Mo Duke Droese Sione Mark Canterbury (Henry Godwin) Lawrence Taylor Jean-Pierre Lafitte Ahmed Johnson Rad Radford Dennis Knight (Phineas Godwin) Vader Marc Mero Leif Cassidy Brakkus Scorpio/Funk Rockabilly
Jim Cornette Johnny Polo Afa Lou Albano Uncle Zebekiah Todd Pettengill Oscar Shinja Terri Runnels Jose Lothario Clarence Mason
Heavenly Bodies The Quebecers The Blu Brothers Well Dunn Headbangers Furnas and LaFon PG-13 The Road Warriors
Bull Nakano Tammy Sytch (Sunny) Bertha Faye Aja Kong
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Post by RedDevil on Jun 28, 2020 16:13:14 GMT -5
If Jazware did go down the individual deals route outside of (but with the blessing of) AEW then that could be very interesting indeed; potentially they could develop two independent lines using the unrivalled style of figures and have that up and running pretty quickly, e.g.:
AEW Unrivalled Legends Unrivalled
With AEW getting a small sweetener percentage of the Legends line but maybe not requiring using the AEW branding? Then Jazware can basically go nuts signing-up guys they think they can market in the Legends line and turn some sort of profit on, without AEW needing to be too concerned by it.
From there they could look into making Unrivalled into more of a Jazware brand than a figure style by branching into other styles like the Retros - e.g. Retros Unrivalled, or if they don’t want to use the word Retros due to Mattel then they could go with Classics Unrivalled, or indeed maybe bring back the Classic Superstars style of figures, depending on how things are in terms of rights with that brand.
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Post by stc13 on Jun 28, 2020 16:46:43 GMT -5
If Jazware did go down the individual deals route outside of (but with the blessing of) AEW then that could be very interesting indeed; potentially they could develop two independent lines using the unrivalled style of figures and have that up and running pretty quickly, e.g.: AEW Unrivalled Legends Unrivalled With AEW getting a small sweetener percentage of the Legends line but maybe not requiring using the AEW branding? Then Jazware can basically go nuts signing-up guys they think they can market in the Legends line and turn some sort of profit on, without AEW needing to be too concerned by it. From there they could look into making Unrivalled into more of a Jazware brand than a figure style by branching into other styles like the Retros - e.g. Retros Unrivalled, or if they don’t want to use the word Retros due to Mattel then they could go with Classics Unrivalled, or indeed maybe bring back the Classic Superstars style of figures, depending on how things are in terms of rights with that brand. If the demand is there, anything is possible. But I think a standalone legends line is a tough, tough sell compared to sprinkling them in with the Unrivaled line. a) You're already competing for shelf space at retail, and Walmart is already carrying Elites, a store exclusive line, , basics, and BP's. I think it's a hard sell to get them to give you a separate SKU and peg space for a second product. b) Most possible legends "anchor" talent is controlled by WWE. Maybe they land Sting, but that seems less likely. The Steiners are possible. Beyond that? You're not going to get Hogan, Warrior, Macho, etc away from WWE deals. Most of the guys who are realistic - RnR Express, Raven, those working for AEW, etc - are midcarders that will have collector appeal. But probably not something you can builid a wave around or sell a retailer on carrying your product with.
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Post by MKSavage on Jun 28, 2020 19:24:23 GMT -5
You guys get it ^^^. I wouldn’t expect this company to knock it out of the park on the first try but it is definitely possible. Even if they are online exclusives, they could still get away with charging double what they would have at retailers to help offset the cost...and people would but it. Again though, everything is speculation. Here are a list of names that were never made from the “New Generation” era (Summer Slam 93 - Wrestlemania 13). A lot of them might not be possible or would have very low demand. While I wouldn't mind getting many of these, or even some wrestlers we didn't get from the era before the Hasbro line began, I would much rather they try and get out as many wrestlers as they could that we didn't get from the Hasbro line first from that era (1989-1994). These would be the ones I would prefer: Tugboat, Hart Foundation, Rhythm and Blues, Mega Maniacs Brutus the Barber, USA Lex, Diesel, King of Harts Owen Hart, Men on a Mission, Jeff Jarrett, Powers of Pain, Power & Glory, Dino Bravo, Natural Disasters Earthquake, Haku, Barbarian, Col. Mustafa, Hercules, Heel Jake, Jerry Lawler, long tights Macho King, Ronnie Garvin, rookie year Tatanka, the Beverly Brothers, Brain Busters, Colossal Connection, Rougeau Brothers, High Energy Koko B Ware, the Orient Express, Quebecers, Ultimate Maniacs, pre-Matador Tito Santana, bodyguard Virgil, Zeus, other managers and announcers at the time, and maybe an updated version of some of the ones that Hasbro made like Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Jake, Piper, Bret, Shawn, Razor, Taker, etc. I know a lot of thee are probably not that likely but that is what I would like to see first.
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Post by snowjorden on Jun 28, 2020 23:22:15 GMT -5
I am so ALL IN on this, literally. Double or Nothing (just double, lol), every figure. I'ma go ALL OUT, Full Gear in my car on the way to pick up this piece of wrestling REVOLUTION. Then, when I get home it's gonna be an AEW Hasbro style Fyter Fest.
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Post by LA Times on Jun 29, 2020 6:32:07 GMT -5
If jazwares makes a Hasbro/retro style line, why do people think it should or will be with WWF new generation era wrestlers they have no connection to instead of their current roster? You will more likely see something like the Mattel retro dean Ambrose, an affordable mass market figure for the kids.
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Post by newworldoz on Jun 29, 2020 8:37:17 GMT -5
This may or may not even be AEW related...this is the only forum to really discuss this though which may or may not have given people the wrong idea. For all we know, this could be a separate division within the company dedicated to this. It’s all speculation at this point. Jeremy seems to love working collectors, so I take anything with a grain of salt. But at the same time, they're very aware of the collector market and how to generate some buzz I think. So I don't think it's crazy to say anything could be on the table, while also recognizing that right now we're only seen two waves of product. But I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what they have in store for reveals. I tend to agree that the Retros post might just be a way to engage fans. It's a good way to keep us talking AEW figures. Also a good way to gauge how interested we are in Retros as an idea. Like others, I would prefer Jazwares to concentrate on the Unrivaled line but if they can manage good luck. I wouldn't mind Retros of the current roster. I would never put a 6 inch figure on my work desk but Retros are cuter, like Pop Vinyls. So, yes, I'd definitely buy a couple.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jun 29, 2020 10:42:14 GMT -5
It could be cool, but I agree with everyone saying that we'll have to wait until we see how good the Unrivaled line does.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jun 29, 2020 11:04:09 GMT -5
You guys get it ^^^. I wouldn’t expect this company to knock it out of the park on the first try but it is definitely possible. Even if they are online exclusives, they could still get away with charging double what they would have at retailers to help offset the cost...and people would but it. Again though, everything is speculation. Here are a list of names that were never made from the “New Generation” era (Summer Slam 93 - Wrestlemania 13). A lot of them might not be possible or would have very low demand. While I wouldn't mind getting many of these, or even some wrestlers we didn't get from the era before the Hasbro line began, I would much rather they try and get out as many wrestlers as they could that we didn't get from the Hasbro line first from that era (1989-1994). These would be the ones I would prefer: Tugboat, Hart Foundation, Rhythm and Blues, Mega Maniacs Brutus the Barber, USA Lex, Diesel, King of Harts Owen Hart, Men on a Mission, Jeff Jarrett, Powers of Pain, Power & Glory, Dino Bravo, Natural Disasters Earthquake, Haku, Barbarian, Col. Mustafa, Hercules, Heel Jake, Jerry Lawler, long tights Macho King, Ronnie Garvin, rookie year Tatanka, the Beverly Brothers, Brain Busters, Colossal Connection, Rougeau Brothers, High Energy Koko B Ware, the Orient Express, Quebecers, Ultimate Maniacs, pre-Matador Tito Santana, bodyguard Virgil, Zeus, other managers and announcers at the time, and maybe an updated version of some of the ones that Hasbro made like Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Jake, Piper, Bret, Shawn, Razor, Taker, etc. I know a lot of thee are probably not that likely but that is what I would like to see first. Although those would be neat to see, a lot of them are unrealistic due for legal reasons. The lists I have made/am making are guys who might own the rights to their gimmick, are not under contract with WWE, or haven’t had a licensed item produced in a while (by WWE). It was meant as a more realistic approach if this line is in fact possible. There is a chance that Dark Side of the Ring is working with them...that would be an incredible twist. This is based only on comments made a while back from the producers and their love of figures.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Jun 29, 2020 16:25:04 GMT -5
This may or may not even be AEW related...this is the only forum to really discuss this though which may or may not have given people the wrong idea. For all we know, this could be a separate division within the company dedicated to this. It’s all speculation at this point. Jeremy seems to love working collectors, so I take anything with a grain of salt. But at the same time, they're very aware of the collector market and how to generate some buzz I think. So I don't think it's crazy to say anything could be on the table, while also recognizing that right now we're only seen two waves of product. But I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what they have in store for reveals. I’d like a few figures of people WWE can’t or won’t make but do the actual AEW stuff first
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Post by stc13 on Jun 29, 2020 16:53:52 GMT -5
Jeremy seems to love working collectors, so I take anything with a grain of salt. But at the same time, they're very aware of the collector market and how to generate some buzz I think. So I don't think it's crazy to say anything could be on the table, while also recognizing that right now we're only seen two waves of product. But I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what they have in store for reveals. I’d like a few figures of people WWE can’t or won’t make but do the actual AEW stuff first Agreed. But they're going to burn through the roster pretty fast at 6 figures per wave, even with repaints of the top guys. There's also a decent amount of talent who either would have poor retail appeal (Peter Avalon, Luther) or some of the Japanese talent who could have a conflicting merch deal with their home promotion. The newer signings like Cage, Hardy, Mr. Brodie, FTR are probably still a ways off depending on when their last scanning session was.
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Post by Warriah' on Jun 29, 2020 17:12:29 GMT -5
After the mattel retros they'd need to be very very close to the original hasbro in terms of plastic and build quality for me to consider getting into them.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Jun 30, 2020 7:29:30 GMT -5
Jeremy has always been so awesome. Wish wwe would of kept him as the head of their toys. The dude has always been so awesome to the fans.
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Post by jason1980s on Jun 30, 2020 7:40:39 GMT -5
If they follow the LJN Jakks Classic model, these Hasbros will be an inch shorter and look like crap.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Jun 30, 2020 18:13:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind them being in the BCA style.
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Post by TheRockers on Jul 1, 2020 8:15:20 GMT -5
Ya BCA style would be really cool. Those figures are starting to get more popular as of late too.
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