Retrospect
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Post by Retrospect on Jun 30, 2020 21:15:30 GMT -5
I never liked the spinner title. It was cool when John Cena had it but was just weird seeing anyone else with it.
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Post by K5 on Jun 30, 2020 22:12:58 GMT -5
I don’t know about changes, but as far as “absurd” goes, him not making some of his obvious, and talented superstars WWF Champion in the past. I’m talking The British Bulldog, Owen Hart, Farooq, Ahmed Johnson, Razor Ramon, Ken Shamrock, Rick Rude, Ted Dibiase, “Macho Man” Randy Savage, etc. I could go on and on. Yet certain people have been World/WWE Champion 16-18 or whatever times. Was it really necessary for people to win the heavyweight championship that many times? ahmed johnson? the rest of your list i get, but the dude was constantly injured. if he'd held up, who knows what vince would've done with him after the IC belt... fans dropped him and focused on austin.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Jul 1, 2020 11:08:52 GMT -5
Bizarre wording is one of the worst for sure. Like losing a match being called “jobbing” and sabotage/insults being called “burials.” “Strap” instead of belt. “Promo” instead of interview. “Gimmick” instead of character. Weird lingo that no normal person would ever use, but for some reason Vince decided those were the words to use in wrestling. And “rib” instead of joke or prank. That one has always kinda bothered me. Are you serious? Most of these have been used in wrestling way before Vince was ever in charge of anything. They are "insider" terms.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jul 1, 2020 13:24:22 GMT -5
And “rib” instead of joke or prank. That one has always kinda bothered me. Are you serious? Most of these have been used in wrestling way before Vince was ever in charge of anything. They are "insider" terms. Okay. Cool.
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jason1980s
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 2, 2020 9:54:33 GMT -5
Ahmed was consistently injured because Ron Simmons damaged his kidney(s) with a kick. Even as a kid I could tell that was way too hard. But because Ron was the veteran and Ahmed did not pay his "dues", everyone would take Ron's side and crap on Ahmed until his final days with the company. Ahmed might not have been a great wrestler like Owen or Bret Hart but he did impress me in his first few months and if not for the injury I can see him in a higher spot on the card. Maybe not HW champ but definitely in contention.
I get that "rib" and other inside terms are well known to us die hard fans but to a kid or a fan just tuning in it's a foreign term to them, just like Gorilla's "external occipital protuberance" from the 80s and 90s. I'm actually surprised Vince would be accepting of using insider terms.
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Post by K5 on Jul 2, 2020 10:08:25 GMT -5
Ahmed was consistently injured because Ron Simmons damaged his kidney(s) with a kick. Even as a kid I could tell that was way too hard. But because Ron was the veteran and Ahmed did not pay his "dues", everyone would take Ron's side and crap on Ahmed until his final days with the company. Ahmed might not have been a great wrestler like Owen or Bret Hart but he did impress me in his first few months and if not for the injury I can see him in a higher spot on the card. Maybe not HW champ but definitely in contention. I get that "rib" and other inside terms are well known to us die hard fans but to a kid or a fan just tuning in it's a foreign term to them, just like Gorilla's "external occipital protuberance" from the 80s and 90s. I'm actually surprised Vince would be accepting of using insider terms. I think Ahmed was his own worst enemy to a degree as well - there was some drug issues. apparently his sister’s passing had something to do with it too. Ron Simmons got his receipt at wrestlemania when Ahmed broke his ribs, so I think everything evened out there..
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jul 2, 2020 21:41:55 GMT -5
It's gotta be the weird word that they ant say, wrestling, title shot, strap hospital. Especially the championship thing there's so many ways to refer to the strap, belt, gold, title, that when people just use the same word it becomes a very "constructed" version of reality.
Local medical facility bugs me. It's gonna be a hospital, Surely.
I think everyone in this thread has mentioned something that I can get on board with. He's had a lot of bunk ideas, but also a lot of great ideas and foresight.
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Jackass Pacific
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Jul 3, 2020 8:15:37 GMT -5
I don’t know about changes, but as far as “absurd” goes, him not making some of his obvious, and talented superstars WWF Champion in the past. I’m talking The British Bulldog, Owen Hart, Farooq, Ahmed Johnson, Razor Ramon, Ken Shamrock, Rick Rude, Ted Dibiase, “Macho Man” Randy Savage, etc. I could go on and on. Yet certain people have been World/WWE Champion 16-18 or whatever times. Was it really necessary for people to win the heavyweight championship that many times? ...but macho man was champion twice.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 3, 2020 8:51:26 GMT -5
I don’t know about changes, but as far as “absurd” goes, him not making some of his obvious, and talented superstars WWF Champion in the past. I’m talking The British Bulldog, Owen Hart, Farooq, Ahmed Johnson, Razor Ramon, Ken Shamrock, Rick Rude, Ted Dibiase, “Macho Man” Randy Savage, etc. I could go on and on. Yet certain people have been World/WWE Champion 16-18 or whatever times. Was it really necessary for people to win the heavyweight championship that many times? ...but macho man was champion twice. He's probably talking about when Vince basically told Macho Man he was done and put him on RAW Commentary. I think at that time the Macho Man had a LOT left in the tank, and I think you could have made him the top guy in the company, especially with Hogan being gone. Macho Man could have been the Champion, or at the very least, a very credible challenger to the Champion. Once Hogan left, if I was Vince, I NEVER would have let Macho Man leave. He just wanted to wrestle. It wasn't JUST about the money to Savage. Once it was made clear he was an announcer and NOT a wrestler, obviously he left, and got paid to do so, but had Vince put him back in the ring, Savage would have been loyal to Vince.
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Jul 3, 2020 22:08:50 GMT -5
...but macho man was champion twice. He's probably talking about when Vince basically told Macho Man he was done and put him on RAW Commentary. I think at that time the Macho Man had a LOT left in the tank, and I think you could have made him the top guy in the company, especially with Hogan being gone. Macho Man could have been the Champion, or at the very least, a very credible challenger to the Champion. Once Hogan left, if I was Vince, I NEVER would have let Macho Man leave. He just wanted to wrestle. It wasn't JUST about the money to Savage. Once it was made clear he was an announcer and NOT a wrestler, obviously he left, and got paid to do so, but had Vince put him back in the ring, Savage would have been loyal to Vince. fair enough, i can see that logic. i gotta say, my most memorable era of macho man was when he first went to wcw and he did have a couple title reigns during that time too. so i guess it is conceivable that he could've done the same in the wwf at that point
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Post by GR81J on Jul 4, 2020 9:33:36 GMT -5
It's probably not even just a WWE thing but it irks me when the champion comes out first in title matches. U ever realize more than half the time if a champion comes out 1st they lose the belt???
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Jul 4, 2020 21:24:23 GMT -5
Vince:
Screwing over Bret Hart from is 10 year contract and then the Montreal Screwjob
Eliminating fireworks from entrances to save money
Pushing Nia Jax
Wanting Batista to main event Wrestlemnia over Daniel Bryan
Making all the top WWE title belts look the same.
Not pushing tag teams (Ascension, OC, AOP, Revival and the whole womans tag division)
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jul 17, 2020 1:57:39 GMT -5
That instance where Vince McMahon didn't want commercial breaks during matches so they started booking multiple 2/3 falls matches PER SHOW for a stretch.
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 17, 2020 8:39:40 GMT -5
I don’t know about changes, but as far as “absurd” goes, him not making some of his obvious, and talented superstars WWF Champion in the past. I’m talking The British Bulldog, Owen Hart, Farooq, Ahmed Johnson, Razor Ramon, Ken Shamrock, Rick Rude, Ted Dibiase, “Macho Man” Randy Savage, etc. I could go on and on. Yet certain people have been World/WWE Champion 16-18 or whatever times. Was it really necessary for people to win the heavyweight championship that many times? The belt meant more to those who won it because of the names you listed never winning it (though one or two others could have won it. I always thought Owen should have got Backlund's run in 94). It's not like Kevin Owens, The Miz's or Seth Rollins' title wins are anywhere near as significant as Bret Hart, Stone Cold or Shawn Michael's were when there was one world champ and it wasn't given to every tom, dick and harry.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 17, 2020 10:51:29 GMT -5
I don’t know about changes, but as far as “absurd” goes, him not making some of his obvious, and talented superstars WWF Champion in the past. I’m talking The British Bulldog, Owen Hart, Farooq, Ahmed Johnson, Razor Ramon, Ken Shamrock, Rick Rude, Ted Dibiase, “Macho Man” Randy Savage, etc. I could go on and on. Yet certain people have been World/WWE Champion 16-18 or whatever times. Was it really necessary for people to win the heavyweight championship that many times? The belt meant more to those who won it because of the names you listed never winning it (though one or two others could have won it. I always thought Owen should have got Backlund's run in 94). It's not like Kevin Owens, The Miz's or Seth Rollins' title wins are anywhere near as significant as Bret Hart, Stone Cold or Shawn Michael's were when there was one world champ and it wasn't given to every tom, dick and harry. That was the time for Owen Hart to win the WWF World Championship, but if he was Power Bombed and pinned by Diesel in 8 seconds, that wouldnt have been good
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 17, 2020 11:20:28 GMT -5
The belt meant more to those who won it because of the names you listed never winning it (though one or two others could have won it. I always thought Owen should have got Backlund's run in 94). It's not like Kevin Owens, The Miz's or Seth Rollins' title wins are anywhere near as significant as Bret Hart, Stone Cold or Shawn Michael's were when there was one world champ and it wasn't given to every tom, dick and harry. That was the time for Owen Hart to win the WWF World Championship, but if he was Power Bombed and pinned by Diesel in 8 seconds, that wouldnt have been good No, but beating Owen for the belt would have made Diesel defending against Bret more natural for that year's Rumble (or Mania).
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Jul 18, 2020 21:32:25 GMT -5
Almost making the decision to retire Survivor Series in 2010.
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Post by †hê Jå§ðñ Wïllïåm§ on Jul 20, 2020 0:15:33 GMT -5
Almost making the decision to retire Survivor Series in 2010. I mean it really wouldn't have been much of a loss. They wouldn't have to throw so many 5v5s together.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 21, 2020 12:50:52 GMT -5
The belt meant more to those who won it because of the names you listed never winning it (though one or two others could have won it. I always thought Owen should have got Backlund's run in 94). It's not like Kevin Owens, The Miz's or Seth Rollins' title wins are anywhere near as significant as Bret Hart, Stone Cold or Shawn Michael's were when there was one world champ and it wasn't given to every tom, dick and harry. That was the time for Owen Hart to win the WWF World Championship, but if he was Power Bombed and pinned by Diesel in 8 seconds, that wouldnt have been good I think it depends on how it’s booked. If Owen was booked to loose to Diesel in 8 seconds in a similar fashion to Sheamus/Bryan from WM28, I think Owen would have been fine. Have him gloat when the bell rings and not taking the match seriously. Diesel gets the jump on Owen and Owen can complain about not being ready for the match. I think Owen would have come out fine if booked like that.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jul 21, 2020 20:27:53 GMT -5
Almost making the decision to retire Survivor Series in 2010. This is a thing?! I'm a decade late to the party on this ridiculousness. Its one of the big 4, it almost feels a bit thrown together some years but it's really a show I look forward to now they're doing the brand warfare thing. When it's 2 random teams of 5 fighting for no particular reason it blows though.
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