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Post by CMW Toys on Jul 6, 2023 4:14:17 GMT -5
The ironic thing about all this:
If Epic hadn't have taken over, people who preordered their figures would never have got them. Chella was down the pan and not being cared about. As someone who worked with Chella I was owed money for a long time by them...and not a small amount either.
I'm not one for bringing up crapwhen it's not needed, but it boils my piss to hear what's happening right now. Epic are actually the ones making series 2 happen. They showed completed samples (not painted prototypes) at FTLOW this year...clearly showing these things in production.
Sure the wait time may have been longer than you wanted, and the updates may not have been as frequent as you like, but there are updates. If I preorder a mezco or hot toys figure (which are 3+ times more expensive) these are often hit with delays with no updates...it happens. If this causes you too much of an issue with waiting don't preoder. Try your luck when they come in stock. You're not being forced to preorder it.
There would be no series 2 without Epic. Simple as that.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Jul 6, 2023 5:37:56 GMT -5
The ironic thing about all this: If Epic hadn't have taken over, people who preordered their figures would never have got them. Chella was down the pan and not being cared about. As someone who worked with Chella I was owed money for a long time by them...and not a small amount either. I'm not one for bringing up crap when it's not needed, but it boils my piss to hear what's happening right now. Epic are actually the ones making series 2 happen. They showed completed samples (not painted prototypes) at FTLOW this year...clearly showing these things in production. Sure the wait time may have been longer than you wanted, and the updates may not have been as frequent as you like, but there are updates. If I preorder a mezco or hot toys figure (which are 3+ times more expensive) these are often hit with delays with no updates...it happens. If this causes you too much of an issue with waiting don't preoder. Try your luck when they come in stock. You're not being forced to preorder it. There would be no series 2 without Epic. Simple as that. Thank you! I've been saying the whole time that taking over isn't an easy thing to do. Yes they started taking over late 2022, so f'n what? Be patient! Matt Cardona spreading falls rumours ain't helping either... Wait or don't preorder, pretty simple! |
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Post by mcfclee on Jul 6, 2023 6:53:06 GMT -5
This thread took a massive turn for the better.
The face turn I didn’t see coming from Matt. People disagreeing respectfully, podcasts to follow.
Bravo wfigs, no sarcasm at all. This is pretty interesting.
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Jul 6, 2023 7:37:22 GMT -5
The ironic thing about all this: If Epic hadn't have taken over, people who preordered their figures would never have got them. Chella was down the pan and not being cared about. As someone who worked with Chella I was owed money for a long time by them...and not a small amount either. I'm not one for bringing up crap when it's not needed, but it boils my piss to hear what's happening right now. Epic are actually the ones making series 2 happen. They showed completed samples (not painted prototypes) at FTLOW this year...clearly showing these things in production. Sure the wait time may have been longer than you wanted, and the updates may not have been as frequent as you like, but there are updates. If I preorder a mezco or hot toys figure (which are 3+ times more expensive) these are often hit with delays with no updates...it happens. If this causes you too much of an issue with waiting don't preoder. Try your luck when they come in stock. You're not being forced to preorder it. There would be no series 2 without Epic. Simple as that. I respectfully disagree. FC was in a position to buy Chella until a different deal was made without our knowledge. Its water under the bridge now, and trust me, we're overjoyed we didn't buy Chella, but it pains me to keep reading this narrative without the proper facts being out there. Its great that they took over and figures are coming, but they were not the only potential buyers. These figures were never at risk of not being released. |
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Post by CMW Toys on Jul 6, 2023 7:43:52 GMT -5
The ironic thing about all this: If Epic hadn't have taken over, people who preordered their figures would never have got them. Chella was down the pan and not being cared about. As someone who worked with Chella I was owed money for a long time by them...and not a small amount either. I'm not one for bringing up crap when it's not needed, but it boils my piss to hear what's happening right now. Epic are actually the ones making series 2 happen. They showed completed samples (not painted prototypes) at FTLOW this year...clearly showing these things in production. Sure the wait time may have been longer than you wanted, and the updates may not have been as frequent as you like, but there are updates. If I preorder a mezco or hot toys figure (which are 3+ times more expensive) these are often hit with delays with no updates...it happens. If this causes you too much of an issue with waiting don't preoder. Try your luck when they come in stock. You're not being forced to preorder it. There would be no series 2 without Epic. Simple as that. I respectfully disagree. FC was in a position to buy Chella until a different deal was made without our knowledge. Its water under the bridge now, and trust me, we're overjoyed we didn't buy Chella, but it pains me to keep reading this narrative without the proper facts being out there. Its great that they took over and figures are coming, but they were not the only potential buyers. These figures were never at risk of not being released. My point isn't around the buying of the company - you know I know about that to some extent. My point is Chella as its original form was in alot of shit, you know it, I know it. |
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Post by freaqualizer on Jul 6, 2023 8:43:08 GMT -5
Lol who are my friends here exactly? I mean I try to be friendly towards everyone most of the time but I don’t think this is the thread where I’ve gained the love and respect of my fellow board members. I think you’re swell! A real good egg! |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 6, 2023 9:37:55 GMT -5
The ironic thing about all this: If Epic hadn't have taken over, people who preordered their figures would never have got them. Chella was down the pan and not being cared about. As someone who worked with Chella I was owed money for a long time by them...and not a small amount either. I'm not one for bringing up crap when it's not needed, but it boils my piss to hear what's happening right now. Epic are actually the ones making series 2 happen. They showed completed samples (not painted prototypes) at FTLOW this year...clearly showing these things in production. Sure the wait time may have been longer than you wanted, and the updates may not have been as frequent as you like, but there are updates. If I preorder a mezco or hot toys figure (which are 3+ times more expensive) these are often hit with delays with no updates...it happens. If this causes you too much of an issue with waiting don't preoder. Try your luck when they come in stock. You're not being forced to preorder it. There would be no series 2 without Epic. Simple as that. Thank you! I've been saying the whole time that taking over isn't an easy thing to do. Yes they started taking over late 2022, so f'n what? Be patient! Matt Cardona spreading falls rumours ain't helping either... Wait or don't preorder, pretty simple! What have I said that is false? |
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Jul 6, 2023 16:18:51 GMT -5
Thank you! I've been saying the whole time that taking over isn't an easy thing to do. Yes they started taking over late 2022, so f'n what? Be patient! Matt Cardona spreading falls rumours ain't helping either... Wait or don't preorder, pretty simple! What have I said that is false? This: I wish the Gage 2 pack was already out. I’m with ya. But at least I see pics from the factory every few months. I’ve seen the finished sample. Not just for my fig but for a lot others. So I know they are getting worked on. I know they are coming. I don’t know the exact reason for every delay. But Epic hasn’t even started production on these. ( Besides just starting Haku and BWO) That’s the difference. It was already known that Haku, bWo and Tanga are ready to be packaged! |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 6, 2023 16:38:22 GMT -5
What have I said that is false? This: I wish the Gage 2 pack was already out. I’m with ya. But at least I see pics from the factory every few months. I’ve seen the finished sample. Not just for my fig but for a lot others. So I know they are getting worked on. I know they are coming. I don’t know the exact reason for every delay. But Epic hasn’t even started production on these. ( Besides just starting Haku and BWO) That’s the difference. It was already known that Haku, bWo and Tanga are ready to be packaged! Well according to THEIR instagram page, they were still in parts and unpainted as of 2 weeks ago. If they’re finished and ready to get carded, that’s fantastic! http://instagram.com/p/Ctgc3oNMxH7 |
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Post by 3poajamie on Jul 6, 2023 16:59:27 GMT -5
This: It was already known that Haku, bWo and Tanga are ready to be packaged! Well according to THEIR instagram page, they were still in parts and unpainted as of 2 weeks ago. If they’re finished and ready to get carded, that’s fantastic! http://instagram.com/p/Ctgc3oNMxH7 Yeah all ready to be put on the card which is great! Not long now. |
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Post by thadoodabides on Jul 6, 2023 17:22:40 GMT -5
Soooooo… when can we preorder Demolition??  |
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Post by 3poajamie on Jul 7, 2023 7:34:26 GMT -5
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Post by ajay182 on Jul 7, 2023 9:40:51 GMT -5
Interesting debate.
Couple of factors that are worth keeping in mind for the upcoming podcast discussions:
- Purchasing a company you didn't start vs. building one from the ground up are incredibly different things. I've been in both positions in my professional life and the former is infinitely harder - you spend so much time untangling the mess left (because rarely is a company looking for buyers if their operations are perfect). Starting from scratch, you implement processes that you know, leverage contacts that you have and don't inherit any sort of logistic or customer baggage.
- The debate sometimes descends into whataboutery - A replies to B, B ignores the response and says "well, what about x". It's not really helpful for either side to do that, as that's where these things can end up a little heated. Maybe have a moderator or something in place to make sure topics are properly acknowledged.
Very cool that it's being discussed with respect and actual information thus far - was a fun read back!
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 7, 2023 9:59:49 GMT -5
Well said. Ideally it would be a panel discussion that was moderated. If I had my choice, that is what I would prefer to do or at least prefer to listen to. Coordinating it would likely be very difficult. Sitting down with one party has its benefits too…but I would hate for it to come across as a deposition or a cross-examination.
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Post by cheville2001 on Jul 7, 2023 13:22:49 GMT -5
Who the hell was making the Conquistadors? I just remembered that they were teased... That qas KWK who was supposed to be doing Kamala then he ended up taking off all the photos relating to Kamala. |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 7, 2023 14:54:53 GMT -5
Who the hell was making the Conquistadors? I just remembered that they were teased... That qas KWK who was supposed to be doing Kamala then he ended up taking off all the photos relating to Kamala. We exposed him for making figures of people without their permission lol |
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 7, 2023 15:15:47 GMT -5
That is a very good example of using your voice and influence for something positive. What KWK was doing wasn’t just getting around some rules…it was downright unethical. I think most of us can put up with a company who isn’t always the friendliest or the cleanest…but the vast majority of us aren’t going to support a business that takes advantage of a wrestler and potentially worse: someone who’s surviving family is being denied something that their father/brother/son would have wanted them to have. Even if a wrestler didn’t own the rights to the name or character that made them famous, the person behind that still worked their ass off and missed countless moments in the lives of their family. It is practically grave robbing and it disrespects their legacy as well as anyone who cared about them.
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Post by micco on Jul 7, 2023 16:30:02 GMT -5
I’m not in the guys head but for those complaining that Ryder appears biased because he points out one companies blunders more than another, do you think it could be because he thinks that companies blunders are more egregious? I know y’all wanna hate zst but he’s delivering figures faster than epic (not fast, but faster), zst’s communication has improved to the point of it being better than chella/epic, and the figures are better with fewer quality control concerns. To find criticism and comment about it equal to epic would be being biased towards epic because the number issues and their severity aren’t equal. One person reporting a paint error on a Sabu versus everyone’s bubble falling off should not warrant the same amount of criticism.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 7, 2023 17:49:12 GMT -5
I’m not in the guys head but for those complaining that Ryder appears biased because he points out one companies blunders more than another, do you think it could be because he thinks that companies blunders are more egregious? I know y’all wanna hate zst but he’s delivering figures faster than epic (not fast, but faster), zst’s communication has improved to the point of it being better than chella/epic, and the figures are better with fewer quality control concerns. To find criticism and comment about it equal to epic would be being biased towards epic because the number issues and their severity aren’t equal. One person reporting a paint error on a Sabu versus everyone’s bubble falling off should not warrant the same amount of criticism. Let’s try and sort this out. Epic did not fully take over until late last year. It is unknown to me what role they have played in getting things produced prior to that official takeover. So it may not be fair to place full blame on them specifically for the QC issue experienced prior to that. Even if it had been, the same coverage of flaws were not given to Zombie’s figures and honestly I haven’t heard much negativity towards the recent WSW line or even Mattel’s retros. Opinions are fine but the issues that arose were deeper than that. Even if you believe something to be egregious, you should be conscious enough to see that very similar things are going on with other toy lines and to point your finger in one direction instead of several directions gives you the appearance of being unfair whether or not it was your intention. That is feedback worth taking a look at. The other line that was seemingly being crossed was outright attacking a company and insulting them for their actions (or lack their of) and then not providing all of the details. Since then we have learned more about the situation but Epic has yet to step in and discuss the matter openly. For all I know, Matt might be right in the end but the way he has gone about it really made me second-guess his morality in this particular situation. I say this because it was contradicting what he had said a number of times about wanting all of these companies to succeed. Obviously we know more now, Matt had explained himself better here than he did in a 20 second sound bite. There are still a lot of questions to be asked and hopefully answered in the future from all sides. Things here seem to have calmed down but things likely won’t change until there is a real development. TL;DR the scales of bias eventually reached their tipping point, there was justification for raising the issue and the questions, and things are starting to even out again (which I appreciate). |
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Post by britishbrickfan on Jul 7, 2023 17:57:51 GMT -5
I’m not in the guys head but for those complaining that Ryder appears biased because he points out one companies blunders more than another, do you think it could be because he thinks that companies blunders are more egregious? I know y’all wanna hate zst but he’s delivering figures faster than epic (not fast, but faster), zst’s communication has improved to the point of it being better than chella/epic, and the figures are better with fewer quality control concerns. To find criticism and comment about it equal to epic would be being biased towards epic because the number issues and their severity aren’t equal. One person reporting a paint error on a Sabu versus everyone’s bubble falling off should not warrant the same amount of criticism. he's still yet to produce a 2-pack he was advertising as "available soon" back in 2021.
where is Series 2? we were told it would be quicker than Series 1. where did all of the money go from his "quarter million dollar" profit from Series 1?? surely reinvesting that in his business and doing away with the preorder model would have been a better use of funds?
it's interesting you mention the Sabu figure which can't stand unaided unless the arms are precisely posed.... and all Josh did was repainted it and called it an "SDCC exclusive", he literally tried to polish a turd 
btw.... where is the SDCC '23 exclusive? when will that figure be in collectors hands? SDCC is in 3 weeks, will collectors receive their "exclusive" figure by then?
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