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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 5, 2023 16:18:02 GMT -5
Absolutely. But what I am saying is that we are STARTING them. What’s the hold up to actually STARTING production for them? They have STARTED them. Not sure who’s feeding you this BS but it really isn’t true, Demo and PoP molds are complete as well as other upcoming figures that haven’t even been up for pre-order yet. Not fair to tarnish them with the same brush as others and say things that just aren’t true I’m not talking about prototype molds. I’m talking about production run. |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 5, 2023 16:19:16 GMT -5
I wish the Gage 2 pack was already out. I’m with ya. But at least I see pics from the factory every few months. I’ve seen the finished sample. Not just for my fig but for a lot others. So I know they are getting worked on. I know they are coming. I don’t know the exact reason for every delay. But Epic hasn’t even started production on these. (Besides just starting Haku and BWO) That’s the difference. Once again, this is a lie. Series 2 (Haku, BWO and Tanga) are finished and being added to the card with the bubble. Like you with Zombie we see the progress behind the scenes of the figures and what you’re saying is not true. Not sure who’s feeding you information from the factory but they appear to be a few months late with news Has impact started? Sabu? Warhorse? |
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Post by 3poajamie on Jul 5, 2023 16:20:29 GMT -5
They have STARTED them. Not sure who’s feeding you this BS but it really isn’t true, Demo and PoP molds are complete as well as other upcoming figures that haven’t even been up for pre-order yet. Not fair to tarnish them with the same brush as others and say things that just aren’t true I’m not talking about prototype molds. I’m talking about production run. Ahhh I get you….answers still yes though |
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Post by 3poajamie on Jul 5, 2023 16:26:02 GMT -5
Once again, this is a lie. Series 2 (Haku, BWO and Tanga) are finished and being added to the card with the bubble. Like you with Zombie we see the progress behind the scenes of the figures and what you’re saying is not true. Not sure who’s feeding you information from the factory but they appear to be a few months late with news Has impact started? Sabu? Warhorse? Sabu has Impact I won’t speak on behalf of and if you know as much as you say you do then you’ll know why. Warhorse is in the queue for figures to be made once the figures that people have pre-ordered with Chella are complete. |
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Post by britishbrickfan on Jul 5, 2023 17:02:35 GMT -5
I wish the Gage 2 pack was already out. I’m with ya. But at least I see pics from the factory every few months. I’ve seen the finished sample. Not just for my fig but for a lot others. So I know they are getting worked on. I know they are coming. I don’t know the exact reason for every delay. But Epic hasn’t even started production on these. (Besides just starting Haku and BWO) That’s the difference. Matt, don't you see the hypocrisy here?
you're blaming Epic for failing to resolve Chella's mistakes quickly enough for your liking. yet you're not calling out your mate for failing to deliver figures which are over 2 years since they were announced, almost 2 years since we saw artwork, and just today he's starting the "preorder" for a figure that won't be in hands until at LEAST January 2024. again, expecting the buyers to take the financial burden (aka the risk) for a business that your mate claims has already generated a quarter million in profit.
that's the hypocrisy I don't understand. it's THE SAME point against both companies, only you've got skin in the game because you're receiving a payment from ZST for your figures, so it's not like you can hold an impartial view on the matter (unless of course, you've already been paid in advance for your upcoming figs and receive no further income whether the two-pack is or isn't released? at which point it's irrelevant whether it sells or not, because you're no longer incentivised by sales?)
Epic have messed up in their communication on the process, and not setting better expectations about their challenges, I think we can all agree there. But I also see the other side of the coin - they have tried NOT to disparage the previous owner (unlike others have) so they focused their time on trying to make it right for customers who have been waiting for over a year for Series 2 figures, which hopefully are about 6-8 weeks away from landing on doorsteps, before they take preorders for yet more figures from their plans.
meanwhile, Zombie is out here taking preorder after preorder for figures that won't even be delivered by Christmas but there's no criticism for his failure to deliver. why? that's where MWFP is not giving a fair or equal view of the market, but MWFP is seen as waving the banner for one company, whilst using it's influence to limit interest in the others. you might not see it that way, but I'm sure many others will agree here.
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Post by 3poadan on Jul 5, 2023 17:09:22 GMT -5
Tbh I'd much rather wait for a good product than get a poor product quickly which besides epic and zombie so far is what's in people's hands. Like ones with eyes that line up and are the same size as each other and that kinda thing obviously I'm bias but I'll call it like I see it.
I sound like a Facebook mom/mum/mam but the truth will all come out with all this stuff.
Also don't understand pot shots at one another in a niche of a niche of a niche product, literally the only thing all these companies are in competition with one another for is signings, cause the people buying them are all the same, just strikes me as unnessesary.
Thanks everyone for listening to the pod, we really appreciate it. Tune in next week for when we don't cover this cause it'll all be forgotten cause someone else will have done or said something in the intervening time probably
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 5, 2023 17:20:33 GMT -5
I had a chance to listen to a lot of the MWFP’s latest episode where some of this is addressed. This forum is brought up and the mixed feelings weren’t hidden. For all the crap we have given people, I will say this: Matt’s bedside manner has improved over the years and even recently. It could be growth in the way things or viewed or it could be biting of the tongue just to avoid causing more trouble than what it is worth. Either way, it is a positive. Some points were brought up that are worth noting: -Matt directly addressed the perpetuated claim that they own a piece of ZST/Heels and Faces. They don’t. I’m not sure how many times I have seen the same people on this forum try to spread this misinformation or lie but hopefully I won’t be alone anymore in shutting them down the next time it comes up. Brian wasn’t able to be part of this conversation due to travel issues but Mark and Matt spent some time addressing the bias. I’m mixed on this one as I was happy to hear it brought up but not the part that I take issue with. Matt made a good point in that they know Zombie Josh and have inside information regarding where things stand with his production times, when and why there are delays, etc. They don’t deny that they like his products the most. The major issue that some of us are having is that things just aren’t treated with anywhere close to the same fairness when there are issues. If what Matt has said is true, a number of Epic Toys products haven’t even been put into production yet (I think he mentions Demolition and Sabu). I can see why some of this is taking longer than desired as some have pointed out (taking over the company, dealing with past orders, running a business outside of figure making). I also imagine the cost to try and produce all these things at once would be a huge risk and a small fortune. But none of those thoughts are discussed or given the time of day. That is where I find issue. This does bounce back to Epic though…I follow them on social media, I listen to 3POA every week and I still don’t have a good idea of where things stand with a lot of items nor how long they will take. I feel certain that I will get my Haku by the end of the year but I have no concept of how long future products will take. Their business model and financial situation is not expected to be public knowledge but it is something that you can’t help but wonder about at this stage in the game. At this point I’m really wondering how hard it is to get figures independently made. I’m no expert; I just would like to know more about the process from beginning to end. Find out the trials and tribulations of each company. I guess if MWFP or 3POA are looking for bonus episode content, there ya go. If you guys aren’t afraid of giving away too many trade secrets, it would be great to hear your step-by-step process of becoming a toy maker. From how you approach talent about the idea, what kind of pay structure is typical (flat fee vs. percentage of sales OR a combination), how you went about seeking out artists, working with 2D artists and 3D artists, how you shopped for factories, what you learned about the price and fees that go into manufacturing, what the process was like for creating the cards and bubbles, when you feel it is appropriate to announce something and why, your experience in quality control and voicing displeasure with a factory (need for changes/mistakes), how often you regularly deal with a factory, the various steps it takes to make each figure, what order they make the parts in, discuss the painting process, how long before you receive the carded sample vs. when the items are all put onto cards, good/bad stories about the shipping process, and what it’s like to receive the finished product and fulfill all of those orders. I have a proposal for you. July bonus episode. You come on and ask us questions and we will answer. No bs. How’s that? If we can set up a time that works then I’m game. Full transparency on my end: I’m transitioning my mom out of the nursing home next week and then I’ll be traveling on vacation through August 2nd. If July doesn’t work, August will. If you prefer to look your critic in the eye, is there a fair chance you’ll be booked for Minneapolis on September 8/F1rst Wrestling (Mall of America)? |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 5, 2023 17:57:31 GMT -5
I have a proposal for you. July bonus episode. You come on and ask us questions and we will answer. No bs. How’s that? If we can set up a time that works then I’m game. Full transparency on my end: I’m transitioning my mom out of the nursing home next week and then I’ll be traveling on vacation through August 2nd. If July doesn’t work, August will. If you prefer to look your critic in the eye, is there a fair chance you’ll be booked for Minneapolis on September 8/F1rst Wrestling (Mall of America)? I’m not there in September. Giving you a chance in July or August to ask any question you want and you can collect from your friends in here. |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 5, 2023 17:58:00 GMT -5
Has impact started? Sabu? Warhorse? Sabu has Impact I won’t speak on behalf of and if you know as much as you say you do then you’ll know why. Warhorse is in the queue for figures to be made once the figures that people have pre-ordered with Chella are complete. Sabu started a few weeks ago. Money was taken from customers in spring 2022. Come on. |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 5, 2023 18:00:01 GMT -5
I wish the Gage 2 pack was already out. I’m with ya. But at least I see pics from the factory every few months. I’ve seen the finished sample. Not just for my fig but for a lot others. So I know they are getting worked on. I know they are coming. I don’t know the exact reason for every delay. But Epic hasn’t even started production on these. (Besides just starting Haku and BWO) That’s the difference. Matt, don't you see the hypocrisy here? you're blaming Epic for failing to resolve Chella's mistakes quickly enough for your liking. yet you're not calling out your mate for failing to deliver figures which are over 2 years since they were announced, almost 2 years since we saw artwork, and just today he's starting the "preorder" for a figure that won't be in hands until at LEAST January 2024. again, expecting the buyers to take the financial burden (aka the risk) for a business that your mate claims has already generated a quarter million in profit. that's the hypocrisy I don't understand. it's THE SAME point against both companies, only you've got skin in the game because you're receiving a payment from ZST for your figures, so it's not like you can hold an impartial view on the matter (unless of course, you've already been paid in advance for your upcoming figs and receive no further income whether the two-pack is or isn't released? at which point it's irrelevant whether it sells or not, because you're no longer incentivised by sales?) Epic have messed up in their communication on the process, and not setting better expectations about their challenges, I think we can all agree there. But I also see the other side of the coin - they have tried NOT to disparage the previous owner (unlike others have) so they focused their time on trying to make it right for customers who have been waiting for over a year for Series 2 figures, which hopefully are about 6-8 weeks away from landing on doorsteps, before they take preorders for yet more figures from their plans. meanwhile, Zombie is out here taking preorder after preorder for figures that won't even be delivered by Christmas but there's no criticism for his failure to deliver. why? that's where MWFP is not giving a fair or equal view of the market, but MWFP is seen as waving the banner for one company, whilst using it's influence to limit interest in the others. you might not see it that way, but I'm sure many others will agree here.
Limit? WE got Epic the impact deal. Nobody else. THEY messed it up. |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 5, 2023 18:43:56 GMT -5
Has impact started? Sabu? Warhorse? Sabu has Impact I won’t speak on behalf of and if you know as much as you say you do then you’ll know why. Warhorse is in the queue for figures to be made once the figures that people have pre-ordered with Chella are complete. Let’s do two pods. One where you guys can ask us questions… One where we have Epic on and ask them questions… |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 5, 2023 19:14:43 GMT -5
Sabu has Impact I won’t speak on behalf of and if you know as much as you say you do then you’ll know why. Warhorse is in the queue for figures to be made once the figures that people have pre-ordered with Chella are complete. Let’s do two pods. One where you guys can ask us questions… One where we have Epic on and ask them questions… Or email me and I’ll do your pod and you can ask Me whatever you want |
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Post by micco on Jul 5, 2023 19:40:48 GMT -5
Epic taking over occurred 9 months ago. Sabu should be 6 months into production by now because production should have started shortly after the takeover. 3 months is a generous grace period. It should be close to complete but I doubt it’s more than 3 weeks into production.
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 5, 2023 21:07:01 GMT -5
Epic taking over occurred 9 months ago. Sabu should be 6 months into production by now because production should have started shortly after the takeover. 3 months is a generous grace period. It should be close to complete but I doubt it’s more than 3 weeks into production. I think 3 weeks is accurate. Maybe it’s 4. Impact PROTOTYPES were promised to be done in December. They were RUSHED and finish in late JUNE and they are BAD. |
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Post by GoCanes84 on Jul 5, 2023 21:24:02 GMT -5
Go get ‘em, ChairShot! Your friends in here got your back!
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Post by GoCanes84 on Jul 5, 2023 21:34:21 GMT -5
If Epic is using the same formula, factory and process as they did with Dynamite Kid, is there really any worry Sabu will come out poorly?
I don’t know the slightest on how the process works but would assume that if they delivered once (I really liked the DK and think it was well-received overall), they can deliver again.
It seems to be more of a matter of time concerns only as opposed to quality when it comes to Sabu. I am guessing the Impact guys are a whole other story.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 5, 2023 22:33:15 GMT -5
Lol who are my friends here exactly? I mean I try to be friendly towards everyone most of the time but I don’t think this is the thread where I’ve gained the love and respect of my fellow board members.
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 5, 2023 23:58:05 GMT -5
Lol who are my friends here exactly? I mean I try to be friendly towards everyone most of the time but I don’t think this is the thread where I’ve gained the love and respect of my fellow board members. I meant you can can collect questions from people here |
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Post by g4 on Jul 6, 2023 2:32:30 GMT -5
To be fair Chella never provided a date when we paid for S2! Chella died!
If it were not for Epic we would never have seen S2 or a refund!! What appeared to be a goodwill gesture to those who paid and an attempt to kick start their company has backfired significantly sadly.
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Post by casanova on Jul 6, 2023 2:47:07 GMT -5
Let’s do two pods. One where you guys can ask us questions… One where we have Epic on and ask them questions… Or email me and I’ll do your pod and you can ask Me whatever you want You guys should do a special together. Invite ZST amd Epic, have fans asking what they want. Best entertaining 4 hours of the week. Btw a handshake at the end might be nice. In general people have to differ between sets such as ZSTs Cardona/Gage 2-pack and Chella/Epics Sabu. The one has been announced and (apparently) pushed back. The other one has already been offered and payment was collected. No one is hurt if ZST decides to push something back no one has paid for yet. In fact this is how you do it. First priority should always habe the paid for stuff and not getting the next preorder out. Sabu should have started immediately after taking over Chella. Chella has a new owner for about 8 months now. |
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