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Post by jason88cubs on Aug 3, 2020 18:07:16 GMT -5
Are you kidding me?
Debut match that goes about 2 and a half minutes and he jobs to BAM BAM. I know the SANDMAN wasnt a great worker and all that buy are you kidding me? You basically have him jobbing out in his debut match.
Just blows my mind
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Post by The Brain on Aug 3, 2020 18:13:53 GMT -5
His brief WCW run was a failure no doubt about it.
Side note-I did buy the Toybiz figure of this gimmick MOC a few years back lol
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Post by jason88cubs on Aug 3, 2020 18:19:59 GMT -5
His brief WCW run was a failure no doubt about it. Side note-I did buy the Toybiz figure of this gimmick MOC a few years back lol Knowing Sandman, he probably didn't care. He got paid big bucks to job out and drink beer in the back
Wonder if he ever partied with Hall and Nash?
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Post by The Brain on Aug 3, 2020 18:22:03 GMT -5
His brief WCW run was a failure no doubt about it. Side note-I did buy the Toybiz figure of this gimmick MOC a few years back lol
Wonder if he ever partied with Hall and Nash?
I'm willing to bet he did |
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Post by jason88cubs on Aug 3, 2020 18:25:11 GMT -5
Wonder if he ever partied with Hall and Nash?
I'm willing to bet he did i remember reading once UNDERTAKER was not a fan of him and had him kicked out of locker room
Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Internally, the feeling is that The Sandman better shape up or he could be shipped out. During the European tour in November, Undertaker wasn't too fond of The Sandman's obnoxious and loud ways. Undertaker was saying he could put up with Big Show because he's used to him, but The Sandman was rubbing him the wrong way. Considering that the ECW wrestlers will now be touring with the SmackDown wrestlers, he is going to have to change his ways or he may not last as an employee for WWE.
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Post by k5 on Aug 3, 2020 18:37:20 GMT -5
sandman looks so big in wcw, was juicing hard for his big 'run'
yeah, they didn't know how to use ECW talent. raven did the best out of them by far, mike awesome second, and that's due completely to the strength of the characters.
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Post by The Brain on Aug 3, 2020 18:54:18 GMT -5
sandman looks so big in wcw, was juicing hard for his big 'run' yeah, they didn't know how to use ECW talent. raven did the best out of them by far, mike awesome second, and that's due completely to the strength of the characters. That 70s guy gimmick though *shudders* |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 4, 2020 12:45:49 GMT -5
The fact that Hak got a WCW action figure for only being there for I wanna say less than a year is impressive.
I remember he left ECW in September of '98, showed up as Raven's friend at his rich family's house as "Jim" or "James" I forget which one they used. Then that disappeared for months and he came out as Hak in 1999 and was gone by the end of the summer.
He probably made a million dollars though in that year, and he got in terrific shape. So he had that going for him with his WCW run.
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Post by drifter on Aug 9, 2020 17:04:23 GMT -5
sandman looks so big in wcw, was juicing hard for his big 'run' yeah, they didn't know how to use ECW talent. raven did the best out of them by far, mike awesome second, and that's due completely to the strength of the characters. Second, really? That 70s Guy, and The Fat Chick Thrilla? He had a decent start when he joined, and then the Team Canada run, but his career in WCW was overall awful. Perry Saturn had a much better WCW run than Awesome ever did. The thing that's hilarious about Sandman's WCW run, was how it started, before he ever wrestled a match. Those vignettes where Raven show to actually be a spoiled rich kid, where he's make smart ass remarks to the camera, and Sandman was introduced as the family's preppy neighbor. That was the gimmick they were going to give to the man known for chugging bear, smoking cigarettes like a chimney, and beating people with a Singapore cane. Plain and simple, Sandman was one of those wrestlers that falls in the category that he could have only gotten to the heights he did, under Paul Heyman. Someone that showed Heyman's talent of being able to hide the negatives, and accentuate the positives of the wrestler. |
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Post by drifter on Aug 9, 2020 17:07:20 GMT -5
The fact that Hak got a WCW action figure for only being there for I wanna say less than a year is impressive. I remember he left ECW in September of '98, showed up as Raven's friend at his rich family's house as "Jim" or "James" I forget which one they used. Then that disappeared for months and he came out as Hak in 1999 and was gone by the end of the summer. He probably made a million dollars though in that year, and he got in terrific shape. So he had that going for him with his WCW run.Not likely. He had signed a 3 year deal, reportedly for $200,000 a year, joined in September 1998 and was gone by September 1999. And beyond the action figure and I think one t-shirt, I don't think he had any actual merchandise, and in WCW, I don't think he moved much. |
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Post by k5 on Aug 9, 2020 17:15:08 GMT -5
sandman looks so big in wcw, was juicing hard for his big 'run' yeah, they didn't know how to use ECW talent. raven did the best out of them by far, mike awesome second, and that's due completely to the strength of the characters. Second, really? That 70s Guy, and The Fat Chick Thrilla? He had a decent start when he joined, and then the Team Canada run, but his career in WCW was overall awful. Perry Saturn had a much better WCW run than Awesome ever did. The thing that's hilarious about Sandman's WCW run, was how it started, before he ever wrestled a match. Those vignettes where Raven show to actually be a spoiled rich kid, where he's make smart ass remarks to the camera, and Sandman was introduced as the family's preppy neighbor. That was the gimmick they were going to give to the man known for chugging bear, smoking cigarettes like a chimney, and beating people with a Singapore cane. Plain and simple, Sandman was one of those wrestlers that falls in the category that he could have only gotten to the heights he did, under Paul Heyman. Someone that showed Heyman's talent of being able to hide the negatives, and accentuate the positives of the wrestler. I mean, if you want to interchange the dude that had to get in a dress for the guy who had to do some lame Russo bs, go ahead. perry never got shots at the world title though. |
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Post by drifter on Aug 9, 2020 17:58:22 GMT -5
Second, really? That 70s Guy, and The Fat Chick Thrilla? He had a decent start when he joined, and then the Team Canada run, but his career in WCW was overall awful. Perry Saturn had a much better WCW run than Awesome ever did. The thing that's hilarious about Sandman's WCW run, was how it started, before he ever wrestled a match. Those vignettes where Raven show to actually be a spoiled rich kid, where he's make smart ass remarks to the camera, and Sandman was introduced as the family's preppy neighbor. That was the gimmick they were going to give to the man known for chugging bear, smoking cigarettes like a chimney, and beating people with a Singapore cane. Plain and simple, Sandman was one of those wrestlers that falls in the category that he could have only gotten to the heights he did, under Paul Heyman. Someone that showed Heyman's talent of being able to hide the negatives, and accentuate the positives of the wrestler. I mean, if you want to interchange the dude that had to get in a dress for the guy who had to do some lame Russo bs, go ahead. perry never got shots at the world title though. I'd take the story line of Saturn being forced for 90 days to wear a dress after Jericho beat him, which lead to him 'showing how weird he could get' when he was forced to keep wearing it, over Awesome's character centered around loving fat women, or fight ICP on top of the Partridge Family bus. And getting a shot at the WCW title, doesn't mean anything. He never won a title in WCW, while Saturn had the run as TV Champion and Tag Team Champion. Mike Awesome was straight up a victim of the WCW system of getting a guy after he made his name in ECW or WCW, and then after a bit of an initial push, they lost interest in doing anything serious with him. He's also unfortunately, at least in the US, another example of a guy that Heyman knew how to use right, while both WCW and WWF didn't. |
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Post by k5 on Aug 9, 2020 18:16:59 GMT -5
I mean, if you want to interchange the dude that had to get in a dress for the guy who had to do some lame Russo bs, go ahead. perry never got shots at the world title though. I'd take the story line of Saturn being forced for 90 days to wear a dress after Jericho beat him, which lead to him 'showing how weird he could get' when he was forced to keep wearing it, over Awesome's character centered around loving fat women, or fight ICP on top of the Partridge Family bus. And getting a shot at the WCW title, doesn't mean anything. He never won a title in WCW, while Saturn had the run as TV Champion and Tag Team Champion. Mike Awesome was straight up a victim of the WCW system of getting a guy after he made his name in ECW or WCW, and then after a bit of an initial push, they lost interest in doing anything serious with him. He's also unfortunately, at least in the US, another example of a guy that Heyman knew how to use right, while both WCW and WWF didn't. well, you saying that a world title shot means nothing doesn't make that true. in a time when it was all about ratings, getting a world title shot was not nothing. just as coming in with an angle against kevin nash is not nothing. and probably being signed to a contract far more significant than saturn. that said, saturn was a part of the wcw mid card for years and had strong matches consistently. i'm not saying you don't have an argument with saturn, but i certainly have one with awesome as well. |
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