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Post by poindizzle on Aug 26, 2020 21:57:32 GMT -5
Jeff is one of the all-time greats. He needs and deserves better. I just bought the Deadpool movie Cable Marvel Legend earlier and it is completely new from top to bottom, even the guns. For a one off. Maybe Hasbro has deeper pockets and is making more money off their toys, but it makes it harder everyday to look at old 2010 articulation and painted on belt buckles and all the little inaccuracies and be happy spending my $20. Hell, Jazwares has its problems but it already started off ahead of Mattel with double jointed elbows, rocker diaphragm, and molded belts.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Aug 27, 2020 1:20:17 GMT -5
Jeff is one of the all-time greats. He needs and deserves better. I just bought the Deadpool movie Cable Marvel Legend earlier and it is completely new from top to bottom, even the guns. For a one off. Maybe Hasbro has deeper pockets and is making more money off their toys, but it makes it harder everyday to look at old 2010 articulation and painted on belt buckles and all the little inaccuracies and be happy spending my $20. Hell, Jazwares has its problems but it already started off ahead of Mattel with double jointed elbows, rocker diaphragm, and molded belts. It's honestly depressing to me. I look at figures like the two Elite Becky's we got. The first one? Elite 49? Highly detailed with stand out sculpted parts, detailed entrance gear, and an all around stellar figure. That figure came out in 2017, likely made in 2016. The women's evolution had begun, but Becky was far from a big name. Fast forward to Elite 72, not too long ago. The women's evolution may have been fading, but Becky Lynch was the hottest sh*t the WWE was selling hands down. She was a bigger star than almost ANY of the men and her "The Man" gimmick was living up to it's name. Look at that E72 figure. Really *look* at it. It's a good looking figure, right? But where is the detail? There is nothing at ALL sculpted on that figure, and while yes, there isn't much on there they could have sculpted, they didn't even sculpt her socks. It's a complete paint job, 100%. The only thing the figure really has going for it is the jacket. Granted, there's a chance they didn't put much effort into the Elite because they knew there was the UE coming out, and IMHO with the exception of the wretched heads, the UE is the best Becky out there. I'm a little miffed about her feet, but I can live with that. I guess the point I'm getting at is that, for every Io Shirai and Viking Raiders figures we get, we get twenty Tanktop Mold Jeff Hardys. There was a point when even the most mid-card and jobber characters got hi-quality Elites. Now, they can barely be bothered to sculpt a unique mold for their biggest stars.
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Post by poindizzle on Aug 27, 2020 12:01:11 GMT -5
Jeff is one of the all-time greats. He needs and deserves better. I just bought the Deadpool movie Cable Marvel Legend earlier and it is completely new from top to bottom, even the guns. For a one off. Maybe Hasbro has deeper pockets and is making more money off their toys, but it makes it harder everyday to look at old 2010 articulation and painted on belt buckles and all the little inaccuracies and be happy spending my $20. Hell, Jazwares has its problems but it already started off ahead of Mattel with double jointed elbows, rocker diaphragm, and molded belts. It's honestly depressing to me. I look at figures like the two Elite Becky's we got. The first one? Elite 49? Highly detailed with stand out sculpted parts, detailed entrance gear, and an all around stellar figure. That figure came out in 2017, likely made in 2016. The women's evolution had begun, but Becky was far from a big name. Fast forward to Elite 72, not too long ago. The women's evolution may have been fading, but Becky Lynch was the hottest sh*t the WWE was selling hands down. She was a bigger star than almost ANY of the men and her "The Man" gimmick was living up to it's name. Look at that E72 figure. Really *look* at it. It's a good looking figure, right? But where is the detail? There is nothing at ALL sculpted on that figure, and while yes, there isn't much on there they could have sculpted, they didn't even sculpt her socks. It's a complete paint job, 100%. The only thing the figure really has going for it is the jacket. Granted, there's a chance they didn't put much effort into the Elite because they knew there was the UE coming out, and IMHO with the exception of the wretched heads, the UE is the best Becky out there. I'm a little miffed about her feet, but I can live with that. I guess the point I'm getting at is that, for every Io Shirai and Viking Raiders figures we get, we get twenty Tanktop Mold Jeff Hardys. There was a point when even the most mid-card and jobber characters got hi-quality Elites. Now, they can barely be bothered to sculpt a unique mold for their biggest stars. And you bring me to a fair point that Hasbro isn't perfect either. To be honest I kind of forget that they make bad Legends too because I don't buy them. I used to be completist but not any more. Not with any line. I guess I do need to be fair and not a hypocrite and point out that Hasbro produces many Legends a year that are also just paint apps on that blank Bucky Cap body that suck complete butt. But their higher effort figures outclass Mattel's highest efforts.
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Post by newgenandy on Aug 29, 2020 5:19:20 GMT -5
Maybe cos it’s not a big deal on a cheap mass retail toy line aimed at kids
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Post by shanieomaniac on Aug 29, 2020 10:19:38 GMT -5
Maybe cos it’s not a big deal on a cheap mass retail toy line aimed at kids Please don't. I'm begging you. Post like this only lead to sadness and threads getting locked. Just... don't.
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Post by newgenandy on Aug 29, 2020 10:39:56 GMT -5
Maybe cos it’s not a big deal on a cheap mass retail toy line aimed at kids Please don't. I'm begging you. Post like this only lead to sadness and threads getting locked. Just... don't. It’s the answer though Unfortunately for mass produced and retail figures out out with a frequency Mattel do then figures won’t be perfect and if they find something that works they will stick with it. How many individual figures have Mattel released this year Compared to others?
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Post by shanieomaniac on Aug 29, 2020 12:09:02 GMT -5
Please don't. I'm begging you. Post like this only lead to sadness and threads getting locked. Just... don't. It’s the answer though Unfortunately for mass produced and retail figures out out with a frequency Mattel do then figures won’t be perfect and if they find something that works they will stick with it. How many individual figures have Mattel released this year Compared to others? K. Fine. I'll bite. (going to regret this, but...) The basic figures? The WWE Series? Along with the Wrekkin series? Toys. Without a doubt. Toys. The Ulitmate Edition figures? Collectibles. They are meant for collectors and are priced as such. But the Elites, which is what most people on her collect and therefore discuss... they're really in the middle. Like "Collectible Toys" Much like Marvel has the "Toy" line and the "Deluxe" lines (which also fall on either side of the spectrum) there is the middle line - Marvel Legends. Both Marvel Legends and the WWE Elite lines are what you would call "Mass Produced Collectibles" They're designed to me nice enough for collectors, but cheap and functional enough for kids. Although the detail on these figures are higher than the "Toy" lines, they are indeed produced in sets, therefore, the budget is run per set, not per figure like true high end collectibles. This leads to a wide disparity of figure detail. Some figures of major players will involve more detail, while other lesser characters may be strict repaints. The problem comes in that, when you compare the two lines, neither one is perfect, but the amount of effort that Hasbro is putting into it's ML line does outclass the WWE Elites series. You see far more truly unique parts and molds on ML line than the WWE Elites, and they aren't relegated to major characters! But, with the WWE line, they have this nasty habit of picking a style for a figure and running it into the dang ground. Look at Jeff. Look at Roman. Look at Shane. I am obsessively collecting McMahon merchandise. When Jakks was running the show and I was collecting Shane figures, there was at best a couple repaints of the Shane figures. Granted, almost all the figures across the line were repaints of each other, but they didn't just only use one mold for one guy ever. Fast forward to Jakks. Shane returned four and a half years ago and except his one battle pack, every. one. is. identical. This includes the WMXV figure which, due to using the same mold, is actually LESS accurate than the Jakks version which, IIRC, was also a repaint of another Shane figure! It's not like he hasn't had other attires. Yes the baseball jersey is his main, but there was nothing stopping them from making his World Cup attire, or even an second street attire figure, perhaps one of those blasted white sweaters? Except... well, you know, the S-word. This brings me to my main point. Jeff Hardy is a big damn deal. He's a major name and a double slam champion. And yet, they can't even bother to give him a correct torso mold. It isn't like they don't have other molds. They do. And if they didn't, the cost of making a new one and having that as the new Jeff Hardy figure stands a chance to balance out vs the improved sell-ability of a better Jeff Hardy figure. I collect women's figures till my wallet has a damn seizure. I complained about needing a new women's torso mold for the basics for ages until, whaddya know, they released one! Actually, they released TWO! I don't know if you realize this, but there is now a full shirt AND a ripped abs mold for women's basics! And it has done wonders for the value of the women's basics. I see people are actually getting excited for women's basics now! And we all know that a big part of selling merch is buzz, and the more buzz, the more "toys" sold. These recent batch of new women's basics have earned a fair amount of buzz which means? MORE SALES. So yeah, I know this essay has been all over the place. I've been up all night and my thoughts are really dang scattered right now. But the bottom line is, when compared to a very similar line from another brand, Mattel could be doing better. Even if they put the effort into making one new torso for Jeff, it would do a world of good for the quality of the product, and would likely help to boost sales at an equal or greater value than the cost required to create a new torso that can then be reused repeatedly for further figures. Do I think that the tank top mold is a deal breaker for the average Jeff Hardy fan or little kid who wants a new toy? Not even close. But even putting forth that extra bit of effort would go a hell of a long way.
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Post by newgenandy on Aug 29, 2020 14:24:29 GMT -5
It’s the answer though Unfortunately for mass produced and retail figures out out with a frequency Mattel do then figures won’t be perfect and if they find something that works they will stick with it. How many individual figures have Mattel released this year Compared to others? K. Fine. I'll bite. (going to regret this, but...) The basic figures? The WWE Series? Along with the Wrekkin series? Toys. Without a doubt. Toys. The Ulitmate Edition figures? Collectibles. They are meant for collectors and are priced as such. But the Elites, which is what most people on her collect and therefore discuss... they're really in the middle. Like "Collectible Toys" Much like Marvel has the "Toy" line and the "Deluxe" lines (which also fall on either side of the spectrum) there is the middle line - Marvel Legends. Both Marvel Legends and the WWE Elite lines are what you would call "Mass Produced Collectibles" They're designed to me nice enough for collectors, but cheap and functional enough for kids. Although the detail on these figures are higher than the "Toy" lines, they are indeed produced in sets, therefore, the budget is run per set, not per figure like true high end collectibles. This leads to a wide disparity of figure detail. Some figures of major players will involve more detail, while other lesser characters may be strict repaints. The problem comes in that, when you compare the two lines, neither one is perfect, but the amount of effort that Hasbro is putting into it's ML line does outclass the WWE Elites series. You see far more truly unique parts and molds on ML line than the WWE Elites, and they aren't relegated to major characters! But, with the WWE line, they have this nasty habit of picking a style for a figure and running it into the dang ground. Look at Jeff. Look at Roman. Look at Shane. I am obsessively collecting McMahon merchandise. When Jakks was running the show and I was collecting Shane figures, there was at best a couple repaints of the Shane figures. Granted, almost all the figures across the line were repaints of each other, but they didn't just only use one mold for one guy ever. Fast forward to Jakks. Shane returned four and a half years ago and except his one battle pack, every. one. is. identical. This includes the WMXV figure which, due to using the same mold, is actually LESS accurate than the Jakks version which, IIRC, was also a repaint of another Shane figure! It's not like he hasn't had other attires. Yes the baseball jersey is his main, but there was nothing stopping them from making his World Cup attire, or even an second street attire figure, perhaps one of those blasted white sweaters? Except... well, you know, the S-word. This brings me to my main point. Jeff Hardy is a big damn deal. He's a major name and a double slam champion. And yet, they can't even bother to give him a correct torso mold. It isn't like they don't have other molds. They do. And if they didn't, the cost of making a new one and having that as the new Jeff Hardy figure stands a chance to balance out vs the improved sell-ability of a better Jeff Hardy figure. I collect women's figures till my wallet has a damn seizure. I complained about needing a new women's torso mold for the basics for ages until, whaddya know, they released one! Actually, they released TWO! I don't know if you realize this, but there is now a full shirt AND a ripped abs mold for women's basics! And it has done wonders for the value of the women's basics. I see people are actually getting excited for women's basics now! And we all know that a big part of selling merch is buzz, and the more buzz, the more "toys" sold. These recent batch of new women's basics have earned a fair amount of buzz which means? MORE SALES. So yeah, I know this essay has been all over the place. I've been up all night and my thoughts are really dang scattered right now. But the bottom line is, when compared to a very similar line from another brand, Mattel could be doing better. Even if they put the effort into making one new torso for Jeff, it would do a world of good for the quality of the product, and would likely help to boost sales at an equal or greater value than the cost required to create a new torso that can then be reused repeatedly for further figures. Do I think that the tank top mold is a deal breaker for the average Jeff Hardy fan or little kid who wants a new toy? Not even close. But even putting forth that extra bit of effort would go a hell of a long way. You have missed the point. Remind me what ‘premier line’ Jeff figure uses the tank top? His entrance great does. Since then he has had basics, elites and battle packs. Not premier line figures. Yes they should put extra effort into the ultimates and they do - hence the removable arms for Bret / rousey jackets etc. Jeff appeals to kids - he is bright colourful energetic and exciting. My kids see a new Jeff figure they don’t roll their eyes unhappy with the tank top mild they’re excited for a new Jeff figure in new face paint
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Post by shanieomaniac on Aug 29, 2020 14:44:28 GMT -5
K. Fine. I'll bite. (going to regret this, but...) The basic figures? The WWE Series? Along with the Wrekkin series? Toys. Without a doubt. Toys. The Ulitmate Edition figures? Collectibles. They are meant for collectors and are priced as such. But the Elites, which is what most people on her collect and therefore discuss... they're really in the middle. Like "Collectible Toys" Much like Marvel has the "Toy" line and the "Deluxe" lines (which also fall on either side of the spectrum) there is the middle line - Marvel Legends. Both Marvel Legends and the WWE Elite lines are what you would call "Mass Produced Collectibles" They're designed to me nice enough for collectors, but cheap and functional enough for kids. Although the detail on these figures are higher than the "Toy" lines, they are indeed produced in sets, therefore, the budget is run per set, not per figure like true high end collectibles. This leads to a wide disparity of figure detail. Some figures of major players will involve more detail, while other lesser characters may be strict repaints. The problem comes in that, when you compare the two lines, neither one is perfect, but the amount of effort that Hasbro is putting into it's ML line does outclass the WWE Elites series. You see far more truly unique parts and molds on ML line than the WWE Elites, and they aren't relegated to major characters! But, with the WWE line, they have this nasty habit of picking a style for a figure and running it into the dang ground. Look at Jeff. Look at Roman. Look at Shane. I am obsessively collecting McMahon merchandise. When Jakks was running the show and I was collecting Shane figures, there was at best a couple repaints of the Shane figures. Granted, almost all the figures across the line were repaints of each other, but they didn't just only use one mold for one guy ever. Fast forward to Jakks. Shane returned four and a half years ago and except his one battle pack, every. one. is. identical. This includes the WMXV figure which, due to using the same mold, is actually LESS accurate than the Jakks version which, IIRC, was also a repaint of another Shane figure! It's not like he hasn't had other attires. Yes the baseball jersey is his main, but there was nothing stopping them from making his World Cup attire, or even an second street attire figure, perhaps one of those blasted white sweaters? Except... well, you know, the S-word. This brings me to my main point. Jeff Hardy is a big damn deal. He's a major name and a double slam champion. And yet, they can't even bother to give him a correct torso mold. It isn't like they don't have other molds. They do. And if they didn't, the cost of making a new one and having that as the new Jeff Hardy figure stands a chance to balance out vs the improved sell-ability of a better Jeff Hardy figure. I collect women's figures till my wallet has a damn seizure. I complained about needing a new women's torso mold for the basics for ages until, whaddya know, they released one! Actually, they released TWO! I don't know if you realize this, but there is now a full shirt AND a ripped abs mold for women's basics! And it has done wonders for the value of the women's basics. I see people are actually getting excited for women's basics now! And we all know that a big part of selling merch is buzz, and the more buzz, the more "toys" sold. These recent batch of new women's basics have earned a fair amount of buzz which means? MORE SALES. So yeah, I know this essay has been all over the place. I've been up all night and my thoughts are really dang scattered right now. But the bottom line is, when compared to a very similar line from another brand, Mattel could be doing better. Even if they put the effort into making one new torso for Jeff, it would do a world of good for the quality of the product, and would likely help to boost sales at an equal or greater value than the cost required to create a new torso that can then be reused repeatedly for further figures. Do I think that the tank top mold is a deal breaker for the average Jeff Hardy fan or little kid who wants a new toy? Not even close. But even putting forth that extra bit of effort would go a hell of a long way. You have missed the point. Remind me what ‘premier line’ Jeff figure uses the tank top? His entrance great does. Since then he has had basics, elites and battle packs. Not premier line figures. Yes they should put extra effort into the ultimates and they do - hence the removable arms for Bret / rousey jackets etc. Jeff appeals to kids - he is bright colourful energetic and exciting. My kids see a new Jeff figure they don’t roll their eyes unhappy with the tank top mild they’re excited for a new Jeff figure in new face paint Wait... hang on.. *rereads the transcript* Yeah buddy, I think I was pretty clear in my wording that, like, 90 percent of that essay was about the mid-grade stuff and collectible toys, namely the Elites and Marvel Legends. I mean, I had my obligatory entire rant about Shane in there and Shane's never had any premier figure ever, so not sure where the mix up was there. Also, your last line? You are straight up rewording what my second to last line was. I need to sleep. I'm tagging one of y'all in.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Aug 30, 2020 18:18:23 GMT -5
With Braun looking like a bouncer on TV now, I hope we still get an Elite of him with the right short books mold.
Same goes for Jeff. I hope we get the right mold of him before he ever decided to leave WWE.
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Post by disorder on Aug 30, 2020 20:08:23 GMT -5
You have missed the point. Remind me what ‘premier line’ Jeff figure uses the tank top? His entrance great does. Since then he has had basics, elites and battle packs. Not premier line figures. Yes they should put extra effort into the ultimates and they do - hence the removable arms for Bret / rousey jackets etc. Jeff appeals to kids - he is bright colourful energetic and exciting. My kids see a new Jeff figure they don’t roll their eyes unhappy with the tank top mild they’re excited for a new Jeff figure in new face paint Wait... hang on.. *rereads the transcript* Yeah buddy, I think I was pretty clear in my wording that, like, 90 percent of that essay was about the mid-grade stuff and collectible toys, namely the Elites and Marvel Legends. I mean, I had my obligatory entire rant about Shane in there and Shane's never had any premier figure ever, so not sure where the mix up was there. Also, your last line? You are straight up rewording what my second to last line was. I need to sleep. I'm tagging one of y'all in. It’s not necessarily a collector line. It’s been told to u plenty of times. The figures are geared towards children, with a small number of figures directed towards collectors. Children couldn’t care less. If this were a more expensive line, everyone would have different parts. This board never ceases to amaze me how grown men lose their minds over $20 dolls
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Post by sandeep on Aug 30, 2020 20:40:48 GMT -5
My animal is unleashed when someone say they are dolls.
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Post by crashholly2002 on Aug 30, 2020 22:29:43 GMT -5
my guess is the MVP torso mold has degraded to a point so that they can't use that, and just using a shirtless mold would look worse than using just tank mold, so it is a lose/lose situation for Mattel at the moment
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Aug 31, 2020 0:00:57 GMT -5
my guess is the MVP torso mold has degraded to a point so that they can't use that, and just using a shirtless mold would look worse than using just tank mold, so it is a lose/lose situation for Mattel at the moment
They used the MVP/shirt torso on the last elite Hurricane. Mattel just needs to make a unique torso for Jeff. That’s the solution imo. They’re going to reuse that mold countless times, might as well make one. There’s been plenty of figures who got unique molds to never be used again.
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Post by champofakind on Aug 31, 2020 0:02:03 GMT -5
Wait... hang on.. *rereads the transcript* Yeah buddy, I think I was pretty clear in my wording that, like, 90 percent of that essay was about the mid-grade stuff and collectible toys, namely the Elites and Marvel Legends. I mean, I had my obligatory entire rant about Shane in there and Shane's never had any premier figure ever, so not sure where the mix up was there. Also, your last line? You are straight up rewording what my second to last line was. I need to sleep. I'm tagging one of y'all in. It’s not necessarily a collector line. It’s been told to u plenty of times. The figures are geared towards children, with a small number of figures directed towards collectors. Children couldn’t care less. If this were a more expensive line, everyone would have different parts. This board never ceases to amaze me how grown men lose their minds over $20 dolls Correct me if I am wrong. But weren't you the one threatening someone over the elite Pat Patterson autograph signing last year? Edit:It was you. Though you really didn't "threaten" the person you did say you would cause a scene. I'd say thats losing your mind over a 20 dollar doll bro.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Aug 31, 2020 2:02:29 GMT -5
Probably the same reason they keep giving Gargano the tiny kickpad mold. The worst part is that Bill said it would be corrected in the next elite, and here we are with it having those same stupid kickpads. It's ridiculous.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Aug 31, 2020 3:35:31 GMT -5
my guess is the MVP torso mold has degraded to a point so that they can't use that, and just using a shirtless mold would look worse than using just tank mold, so it is a lose/lose situation for Mattel at the moment
They used the MVP/shirt torso on the last elite Hurricane. Mattel just needs to make a unique torso for Jeff. That’s the solution imo. They’re going to reuse that mold countless times, might as well make one. There’s been plenty of figures who got unique molds to never be used again. You know what I've noticed about the unique molds? A the few super-detailed unique molds I can think of on my women's figures are only for their first elite. Then, if they have a chance at another (so few have) they dumb it down significantly OR use the same mold as before. Alexa Bliss has had several molded elites and I believe every one uses the same mold. Exactly same thing with Asuka, I'm pretty certain all three of her Elites are the same mold, or very similar. Kairi's first and only figure was downright spectacular. When you look at the two Natalya Elites we have (the regular Elite and the DoD) The first is gorgeous, the second is a straight paint job. Same thing happened with Becky Lynch. These are just the examples I can think of off the top of my head but yeah, it seems like, at least with the women's elites, they put effort in ONCE, and then just chuck it in the bucket and call it a day. Perhaps something similar is done with the Men's figures. They make a figure once and then give up. I don't have enough data on the men's figures to confirm though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 3:50:58 GMT -5
Maybe cos it’s not a big deal on a cheap mass retail toy line aimed at kids What a lazy, copout type of response especially since wrestling is less popular than ever and is largely supported by older fans gripping onto nostalgia of the past. I guess if the Jakks dorks came on here and answered questions people would excuse the same low quality of figures circa 09. WWE's median age audience is like 55 lmao. I know this is a toy board, but come on. I don't even buy figures anymore so I guess this isn't my battle, but why accept such mediocrity? It's laziness, they're painting over a 10+ year old mold for one of the most popular wrestlers of all time. I know Bill comes here and talks to you guys but you don't have to hang off his nuts. Granted I don't know why I expect quality from a company that can't even get a Bret Hart facemold right after numerous tries.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 31, 2020 9:16:54 GMT -5
I never get bored of the debate over whether or not WWE's licensed toy line consists of toys or not. It always conjures up memories of the normies who used to try and posture themselves as all-knowing because they read the "graphic novels" before seeing a Marvel/DC movie, stopping short of copping to having read "the comics". We're collecting toys, guys. It's ok. Maybe cos it’s not a big deal on a cheap mass retail toy line aimed at kids What a lazy, copout type of response especially since wrestling is less popular than ever and is largely supported by older fans gripping onto nostalgia of the past. I guess if the Jakks dorks came on here and answered questions people would excuse the same low quality of figures circa 09. WWE's median age audience is like 55 lmao. I know this is a toy board, but come on. I don't even buy figures anymore so I guess this isn't my battle, but why accept such mediocrity? It's laziness, they're painting over a 10+ year old mold for one of the most popular wrestlers of all time. I know Bill comes here and talks to you guys but you don't have to hang off his nuts. Granted I don't know why I expect quality from a company that can't even get a Bret Hart facemold right after numerous tries. nah
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Post by disorder on Aug 31, 2020 9:45:08 GMT -5
It’s not necessarily a collector line. It’s been told to u plenty of times. The figures are geared towards children, with a small number of figures directed towards collectors. Children couldn’t care less. If this were a more expensive line, everyone would have different parts. This board never ceases to amaze me how grown men lose their minds over $20 dolls Correct me if I am wrong. But weren't you the one threatening someone over the elite Pat Patterson autograph signing last year? Edit:It was you. Though you really didn't "threaten" the person you did say you would cause a scene. I'd say thats losing your mind over a 20 dollar doll bro. I didn’t threaten anyone and it was a joke. Dude was planning to buy about 10 for people on here, which is a dick move anyway. Losing their minds over a figure is writing a 2000 word essay about why they should use a mold or how they are collectibles.
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