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Post by jason88cubs on Aug 21, 2020 18:46:28 GMT -5
If I recall this was the first loss for MR.Perfect, and it still blows my mind
Yes Beefcake was super over at this time but I feel like it was a bad loss for Perfect.
Was it a favor to Hogan since Hogan was losing that night?
The Genius was managing for Perfect so I feel like they could have done a DQ or a cheap win for Perfect to protect both guys
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 9:40:12 GMT -5
It’s funny they say that’s his first loss. I wonder what people that saw his house show losses were thinking back then? Back then certain house shows were televised(MSG, Boston, Philly, etc.).
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 22, 2020 11:37:29 GMT -5
Brutus was on fire for a while and after the Warrior replacement he deserved a better spot on the card. If Perfect was slated to win the IC title, then Beefcake was the choice to get it off him. On the other hand, they could have taken the crappy Bad News and Piper match (because these guy's egos were bigger than the whole rest of the staff) and made it a real ending and given a double count out finish to Perfect and Beefcake and had Perfect go against Warrior at Summerslam. Every guy on that card knew his place and made the show special. Piper and Bad News were the only guys who couldn't do the right thing.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 22, 2020 11:52:55 GMT -5
I don't understand why to be honest.
Perfect was pencilled in to win the IC tournament & Beefcake was set to be his first challenger because he was the guy who ended his undefeated run. Its booking 101. That's why he was given the run. Beefcake was pencilled in to feud with the Heenan Family.
He was "over like rover" & basically KVE & later Bossman(after Kerry was deemed to be a disaster & had to be stripped early) took his run.
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 22, 2020 12:05:30 GMT -5
I don't understand why to be honest. Perfect was pencilled in to win the IC tournament & Beefcake was set to be his first challenger because he was the guy who ended his undefeated run. Its booking 101. That's why he was given the run. Beefcake was pencilled in to feud with the Heenan Family. He was "over like rover" & basically KVE & later Bossman(after Kerry was deemed to be a disaster & had to be stripped early) took his run. Yeah, it makes sense mainly because it was going to be Beefcake vs Perfect for the IC title at Summer Slam. I imagine Perfect was going to win that match so having Beefcake beat him at Mania makes him look like a legit challenger and a real possibility to win the match at Summer Slam. I think plans changed when Brutus was injured and couldn't wrestle at Summer Slam. They had to bring in a big name replacement and it wouldn't surprise me if they promised Kerry the IC title to get him sign. I'm a little surprised that they didn't just let Hogan beat Perfect first since they had a match later that month and Hogan won. |
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 22, 2020 12:11:09 GMT -5
I don't understand why to be honest. Perfect was pencilled in to win the IC tournament & Beefcake was set to be his first challenger because he was the guy who ended his undefeated run. Its booking 101. That's why he was given the run. Beefcake was pencilled in to feud with the Heenan Family. He was "over like rover" & basically KVE & later Bossman(after Kerry was deemed to be a disaster & had to be stripped early) took his run. Yeah, it makes sense mainly because it was going to be Beefcake vs Perfect for the IC title at Summer Slam. I imagine Perfect was going to win that match so having Beefcake beat him at Mania makes him look like a legit challenger and a real possibility to win the match at Summer Slam. I think plans changed when Brutus was injured and couldn't wrestle at Summer Slam. They had to bring in a big name replacement and it wouldn't surprise me if they promised Kerry the IC title to get him sign. I'm a little surprised that they didn't just let Hogan beat Perfect first since they had a match later that month and Hogan won. Beefcake was scheduled to win @ SSlam 1990 too man. Perfect was going to beat him by cheating on SNME in June. Cueing up SSlam90. Brutus was sched to hold until WM7 when Hennig would regain it. |
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 22, 2020 12:20:01 GMT -5
Yeah, it makes sense mainly because it was going to be Beefcake vs Perfect for the IC title at Summer Slam. I imagine Perfect was going to win that match so having Beefcake beat him at Mania makes him look like a legit challenger and a real possibility to win the match at Summer Slam. I think plans changed when Brutus was injured and couldn't wrestle at Summer Slam. They had to bring in a big name replacement and it wouldn't surprise me if they promised Kerry the IC title to get him sign. I'm a little surprised that they didn't just let Hogan beat Perfect first since they had a match later that month and Hogan won. Beefcake was scheduled to win @ SSlam 1990 too man. Perfect was going to beat him by cheating on SNME in June. Cueing up SSlam90. Brutus was sched to hold until WM7 when Hennig would regain it. Really??? I just can't see them giving the strap to Beefcake and for that long. Not that I have anything against Beefcake, he was really over at the time and I was a fan, but he just doesn't seem to be an IC champion. Also, at the time the WWF and Tag Team titles were held by babyfaces, usually the WWF likes to have the IC title be held by a heel if the WWF title was being held by a babyface, just to give something different. It wasn't a hard-fast rule but I think I heard Prichard or Cornette say that in a podcast. I'm glad they didn't go that route, not that I'm happy about Beefcake's injury, but to me Mr. Perfect needed a long title reign as the IC champion. His second one is one of the better runs for the IC champion. I also think that him holding the title for 8-9 months was really a big help for Bret when he won it at Summer Slam 1991 - it made Bret beating him look like a huge moment. |
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 22, 2020 12:45:56 GMT -5
All worked out for the best....aside from Beefcakes injury that is.
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Post by The Brain on Aug 22, 2020 15:49:39 GMT -5
Yeah him beating Perfect shocked me.But looking back Beefer was over like rover during this time so I can understand why they went with em.Perfect rebounded nicely though not only winning the IC belt but getting Bobby as his manager thats for sure!
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 22, 2020 18:13:27 GMT -5
Yeah him beating Perfect shocked me.But looking back Beefer was over like rover during this time so I can understand why they went with em. Perfect rebounded nicely though not only winning the IC belt but getting Bobby as his manager thats for sure!
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 23, 2020 11:43:26 GMT -5
Brutus was the man in 1990. He and Bret Hart were the two guys that the fans were clearly wanting to take the WWE into the next decade. I am not exaggerating with that either.
If you go back and listen to the fans when Bret came out with the Hart Foundation, or when Brutus came out for a match, the place went into a crazy frenzy of fans cheering and being excited.
Was Brutus a crappy wrestler?? Sure! But he would have made for a perfect baby face WWF Champion in 1992 had Flair not come in. I think Flair coming in changed a lot of plans that the WWF probably had for 1992. With Hogan leaving in 1992, I could easily see Brutus "the Barber" Beefcake getting at least one run as WWF Champion if he was still wrestling. I still think Bret would have ended up WWF Champion in 1992 too.
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Post by MKSavage on Aug 23, 2020 13:24:01 GMT -5
Brutus was the man in 1990. He and Bret Hart were the two guys that the fans were clearly wanting to take the WWE into the next decade. I am not exaggerating with that either. If you go back and listen to the fans when Bret came out with the Hart Foundation, or when Brutus came out for a match, the place went into a crazy frenzy of fans cheering and being excited. Was Brutus a crappy wrestler?? Sure! But he would have made for a perfect baby face WWF Champion in 1992 had Flair not come in. I think Flair coming in changed a lot of plans that the WWF probably had for 1992. With Hogan leaving in 1992, I could easily see Brutus "the Barber" Beefcake getting at least one run as WWF Champion if he was still wrestling. I still think Bret would have ended up WWF Champion in 1992 too. I don't know about Brutus being WWF champion but he was definitely over in 1989 and 1990. So too was Bret, they seemed to be getting huge pops. I still remember the pop that Bret and Savage got at Survivor Series 1989 when they both tagged in at the same time. Amazing. |
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Post by rateddal on Aug 24, 2020 8:31:28 GMT -5
What really shocked was the lack of acknowledgement over his first pinfall TV loss. Jesse seemed shocked in his voice but his words only reflected shock that Beefcake had beaten Perfect, not over ending his streak. There was zero mention of him being undefeated on the show.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 2, 2020 5:27:48 GMT -5
What really shocked was the lack of acknowledgement over his first pinfall TV loss. Jesse seemed shocked in his voice but his words only reflected shock that Beefcake had beaten Perfect, not over ending his streak. There was zero mention of him being undefeated on the show. Yeah I noted that a few years back man on a thread here......strange.... |
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