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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 20:06:48 GMT -5
It was 20 years ago around this time WWE did the great “who ran down Steve Austin with the car” storyline. It turned out to be Rikishi and a lot of people say that was a letdown. I don’t necessarily agree. I mean Rikishi wasn’t a main eventer, but the company was high on him and it was his job to get over as a big heel. He tried, but after a little while he was back to the midcard. What I liked was that the reasoning for him hitting Austin with the car made sense. I’m watching Unforgiven 2000 now and was reminded that the Rock’s rental car was used. So of course his relative could have gotten the keys easier than anyone else.
Was Rikishi really a letdown? If so who should it have been?
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 24, 2020 20:22:26 GMT -5
Rikishi being Rocks cousin and having access to his keys was about the only thing that made sense to me. From what I can remember they started turning him towards heel for a few weeks prior between attacking Chyna during his feud with Eddie and then vicious fights with Kane. But once they did the reveal I don’t recall one time where like he got the heel reaction that someone like Triple H did when he was revealed as the mastermind. I still feel like they saw that Rikishi couldn’t even get huge heel heat from shelving someone like Austin that they had to turn Triple H. I really don’t believe that was the initial plan.
I think the angle itself was before its time because to me it screams current age theory of “well we have this idea but don’t know how to continue/end it after the first spot”. Everyone says it was supposed to be Gunn but I doubt it, Austin was very against working with him which he would have had to do upon return. That’s why Gunn faced off against Rock after King of the Ring in 99 and not Austin.
For me two guys fit into the role very well of who it should have been and who would have gotten the biggest rub out of it and that’s either Angle or Benoit. I’d have either of the following two scenarios play out.
Angle — Kurt continues to get beat up by Austin during his search upon return treating him like a dork and nobody like he was. Angle wins the title at No Mercy from Rock and then while he’s on top of the world the following night on Raw they reveal that Angle ran down Austin playing off of the whole “who had more to gain” premise they were pushing when he came back. It’s hard to argue anyone had a bigger year than Angle from 1999 to 2000.
Benoit — Knowing that he was jumping ship to WWF a few months prior, Benoit took it upon himself to remove the competition to open up a spot for himself and the Radicalz. He was already being promoted as one of the most rabid and ruthless wrestlers on the roster. Would have given him that last little push from semi main eventer to #1 heel.
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Post by jason88cubs on Sept 24, 2020 21:06:15 GMT -5
I feel like if they wanted Rikishi as heel they needed him wearing something that didnt show his butt
He was way too over due to the stinkyface
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 21:26:55 GMT -5
From my perspective, the WHODUNIT scenario is always a letdown when it just takes too long to get to the reveal, unless it's some one new and brand new or something.
That being said, I'm trying to remember what I, and friends were thinking at the time and I really don't remember in detail. I know we were disappointed, but can't remember a specific reason. I think though, it was two things. One, we expected someone at a higher level. And two, I don't think we really wanted to boo Rikishi.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 21:49:44 GMT -5
I feel like if they wanted Rikishi as heel they needed him wearing something that didnt show his butt He was way too over due to the stinkyface I agree 100 percent that he should have gotten new attire after the heel turn. Something more thugish. At least they changed his theme music which I think was good.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 25, 2020 3:23:27 GMT -5
I still maintain repeatedly that they could have built up Test and made it him who was "framed" to run over Austin. Test was still pretty over in late 1999 thanks to his storyline with Stephanie, and they wasted him after she went with Triple H, literally leaving him with nothing. He had no vengeance or vendetta towards HHH stealing her away from him, making him look like a simp and then becoming just another guy on the roster. But if they kept him hot and wanting revenge on Triple H, then popular over 2000, it could have worked. I would have Triple H steal Stephanie like he did, then run over Austin, but frame Test for it to make his life fall apart. There would be some grainy CCTV footage of a light-coloured, long haired guy with a goatee driving the car. And it would look like Test but was actually Triple H. Test would get framed by him and have to defend himself against Austin but gain sympathy from the crowd as it wasn't him. Maybe turn heel because of the reaction, but he could have been made a bigger deal. Triple H would be revealed as the actual guy who ran over Austin and then the same feud develops that we saw. Although I agree with Evil Abed in that Benoit would have been an excellent candidate for the guy who did it, instead of Rikishi. Benoit stood to gain way more heel heat and was already over like rover back then.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Sept 25, 2020 7:53:41 GMT -5
I think Rikishi was the right person. He deserved a run in the main event off the back of his strong body of work that year. He wouldn't have got there as a babyface so a heel run was welcomed. It would have hurt Benoit or Jericho alot more if they were in that role, since they would of had to lose every match like Kishi did. Especially since they were being talked up as the future at the time. Now we know what eventually happened there with them getting beat and beat in 2001, but had that happened here in late 2000 it would have been tough for them to recover.
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 25, 2020 9:05:14 GMT -5
I still maintain repeatedly that they could have built up Test and made it him who was "framed" to run over Austin. Test was still pretty over in late 1999 thanks to his storyline with Stephanie, and they wasted him after she went with Triple H, literally leaving him with nothing. He had no vengeance or vendetta towards HHH stealing her away from him, making him look like a simp and then becoming just another guy on the roster. But if they kept him hot and wanting revenge on Triple H, then popular over 2000, it could have worked. I would have Triple H steal Stephanie like he did, then run over Austin, but frame Test for it to make his life fall apart. There would be some grainy CCTV footage of a light-coloured, long haired guy with a goatee driving the car. And it would look like Test but was actually Triple H. Test would get framed by him and have to defend himself against Austin but gain sympathy from the crowd as it wasn't him. Maybe turn heel because of the reaction, but he could have been made a bigger deal. Triple H would be revealed as the actual guy who ran over Austin and then the same feud develops that we saw.. Wow that Test idea is phenomenal, its like just keep sticking it to him until he blows up into a heel. It would have been interesting to see if he could have carried that role for that long because to your point the moment they pretty much gave up on Test getting revenge on Triple H was the moment he was toast.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Sept 25, 2020 16:14:26 GMT -5
I think it's pretty obvious "someone" didn't like Test, and the only pushes Test got were when that "someone" was out injured.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 25, 2020 17:37:45 GMT -5
Wow that Test idea is phenomenal, its like just keep sticking it to him until he blows up into a heel. It would have been interesting to see if he could have carried that role for that long because to your point the moment they pretty much gave up on Test getting revenge on Triple H was the moment he was toast. Haha Test was toast. I dunno if it would have worked like I'm saying, but I feel it could have if all fell into place. I definitely think the crowd would turn on him despite his innocence, and he would snap, like a no more mister nice guy. I think it's pretty obvious "someone" didn't like Test, and the only pushes Test got were when that "someone" was out injured. True that, and Russo was the one who advocated for Test's push so once he was gone, that was it.
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Post by The Brain on Sept 25, 2020 17:50:39 GMT -5
If it had to be Rikishi then like others said they should've changed his attire.
Trying to get em over as a serious heel with his a$$ hanging out? Yeah that has failure written all over it.It's no wonder he was a babyface again by the Spring of 01.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 18:21:23 GMT -5
Jericho would have been a good choice.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 26, 2020 18:09:01 GMT -5
Rikishi was the last person anyone would've expected and that's what made it great. Guys like Rock, HHH and Taker would've been far too obvious, but Rikishi was completely out of the blue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 23:10:01 GMT -5
Rikishi was the last person anyone would've expected and that's what made it great. Guys like Rock, HHH and Taker would've been far too obvious, but Rikishi was completely out of the blue. Well HHH was the mastermind. I wonder if that was always the plan or if it was a case of Rikishi not being that over as a heel to have a long term program with Austin so they came up with that way for Hunter and Austin to feud?
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Post by whydontyoutellme on Sept 27, 2020 16:26:36 GMT -5
I don't know why WWf went with Rikishi. I do know why Rikishi did it - he did it for the pepo. He did it for da Rock.
Pretty much any young up and comer, operating at the behest of Tri, would have been fine in my eyes. I would have been good with one of the Radicalz too. Pretty much anyone who, unlike Rikishi, would have been capable of sustaining the push.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 28, 2020 17:15:58 GMT -5
Honestly, HHH and Jericho are the only ones who made sense to me. Benoit too but with him still being in WCW when it happened kills that angle.
Rumor was that it was going to be Billy Gunn originally, but he’d have flopped more than Rikishi did.
Maybe Test but that would have involved booking him as a strong singles guy in 2000 rather than putting him with Albert. If they revealed it as Test after a year of tagging in T&A it would have flopped like Rikishi did.
Some people say Angle, but I honestly don’t see it in his character to do that (Kurt was still playing the goofy heel when Austin returned in the fall of 2000).
With Jericho, you have a heel who was floundering going into Survivor Series 1999. He made a huge debut, only to crap the bed for the next 5 months. His heel character in 1999 (and later years) was shown to be willing to stoop to any lows to get what he wanted. Being revealed as the one who ran over Austin would have made him an instant main eventer.
You could argue that HHH didn’t really need to be the one who orchestrated the thing as he was a made man by the fall of 2000, but storyline wise, it made the most sense.
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Post by CM Tusk on Sept 30, 2020 16:30:51 GMT -5
Rikishi during that time was one of the most over people on the planet. Turning him heel quickly left him dead in the water. The man didn’t even have a match at the next Mania. It should have been someone else.
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Post by K5 on Sept 30, 2020 16:35:25 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels woulda been cool, out for revenge after his last match and could say he did it for triple h
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Post by jason1980s on Oct 1, 2020 8:35:36 GMT -5
Rikishi during that time was one of the most over people on the planet. Turning him heel quickly left him dead in the water. The man didn’t even have a match at the next Mania. It should have been someone else. That was the only time he was ever over and after years of working dead gimmicks and almost a year of being widely popular and it was all killed in one segment. As a kid I thought the driver was Billy Gunn with the blond hair and he always seemed like an odd man out with DX and he really wasn't face material. Another thing is, was Rikishi even on the main roster at the time? I guess he had been on a Smackdown or Heat before Survivor Series but it always seemed strange to have a guy, as Mick Foley said wasn't even on the card, to be the driver. And saying he did it for someone else just makes him look silly. Rock was a mega star at that point, why would he need someone to do his work for him? I know this will be an unpopular opinion but I don't think there would even have been a need for Austin to take a year off if Owen Hart had not botched the piledriver. Austin's may have retired completely eventually because he could afford it and deserved the break but if not for the neck injury there would be no reason for Austin to need a year off. I love Owen too and hate him dying no matter what the cause and I routinely pull Owen inspired jokes on people at work because as a big fan that's his biggest influence on my life BUT he had no business doing a dangerous move he wasn't used to doing and not only could it have completely ended Austin's career or life but it did cost him a lot of time in his career.
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Post by JC Motors on Oct 2, 2020 16:33:02 GMT -5
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Rikishi Did it for The Rock joke.
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