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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 14:16:27 GMT -5
In 2002, instead of Vince randomly killing off the nWo, the stable continues, and when Triple H joins RAW he joins the new World order to fulfill Shawn’s initial goal. Also, instead of kicking Booker T out that summer, he continues on as a member. What would the nWo have been like with Triple H and Booker T as stablemates? Who would have been the initial World Champ? Maybe still Triple H, but their feud around WMXIX could have been over leadership of the group? Your thoughts?
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 29, 2020 17:22:53 GMT -5
Once Hogan turned face and Hall was fired, the goal was clearly to turn the nWo into a modern day Kliq. I don’t see Booker lasting any longer than he did in the group as he was a terrible fit. Booker and Big Show are eventually kicked out, and instead of Evolution, we have HHH, Nash, HBK, and X-PAC running Raw which means no Evolution. If Nash stayed healthy enough we likely get HHH vs either Nash or HBK at WM19 (HHH could have turned on the group in late 2002, still form Evolution, and the Kliq are out for revenge).
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 29, 2020 17:26:34 GMT -5
To this day I seriously don't think that Vince had any real plans to push the NWO. It wasn't his creation, so he wasn't going to do a lot with it.
Plus looking back at how the NWO was booked in 2002, they came off more as a wrestling stable than a group of thugs trying to take over the company, like how they looked in WCW in the late 90s.
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 29, 2020 17:36:17 GMT -5
Nwo was dead the moment Hogan left, without him its just the Outsiders/Kliq. Big Show joining was really just used as a tool to turn Flair in the Austin feud and Booker never should have been put anywhere near being a member.
Beyond doing something big at Mania, it was clear Vince had no plans for them after.
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Post by The Brain on Sept 29, 2020 17:36:36 GMT -5
It was fun for nostalgia purposes during the beginning when they had the original 3 but man did it fall apart quickly after that. Booker and HBK as members? Yeah this was a failure.Like cordless2016 said it pretty much became a kliq stable. Nash tearing his quad that July on Raw was pretty much a blessing in disguise as far as WWE's version of the NWO is concerned.It needed to be put out of its misery. |
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Post by k5 on Sept 29, 2020 18:55:04 GMT -5
ideally Nash and Hall would've abandoned the nwo concept at wm18 when hogan turned, and gone by the outsiders instead
at least if we had booker and triple h as stable mates even temporarily we wouldn't have seen that terrible triple h/booker t feud at wm the next year
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Post by jason88cubs on Sept 30, 2020 17:00:27 GMT -5
no hhh and booker in nwo just makes zero sense
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Post by The Brain on Sept 30, 2020 17:44:31 GMT -5
The only positive about Booker in the NWO...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 18:33:21 GMT -5
It was fun for nostalgia purposes during the beginning when they had the original 3 but man did it fall apart quickly after that. Booker and HBK as members? Yeah this was a failure.Like cordless2016 said it pretty much became a kliq stable. Nash tearing his quad that July on Raw was pretty much a blessing in disguise as far as WWE's version of the NWO is concerned.It needed to be put out of its misery. Funny you mention the nwo was a Kliq stable. I believe that if Hall and Nash didn’t leave WWE for wcw I think we would have seen them, Michaels, and Hunter as a kliq stable in the late 90s and maybe there wouldn’t have ever been a nwo. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 1, 2020 12:30:04 GMT -5
It was fun for nostalgia purposes during the beginning when they had the original 3 but man did it fall apart quickly after that. Booker and HBK as members? Yeah this was a failure.Like cordless2016 said it pretty much became a kliq stable. Nash tearing his quad that July on Raw was pretty much a blessing in disguise as far as WWE's version of the NWO is concerned.It needed to be put out of its misery. Funny you mention the nwo was a Kliq stable. I believe that if Hall and Nash didn’t leave WWE for wcw I think we would have seen them, Michaels, and Hunter as a kliq stable in the late 90s and maybe there wouldn’t have ever been a nwo. Had Hall and Nash never jumped to WCW the nWo wouldn’t have worked, even if Hogan still turned heel. All three were crucial in that storyline and wouldn’t have worked with anyone else. If they never jumped, it’s possible Vince let’s them be an on-screen stable, but if there no nWo then maybe Vince continues with the “New Generation” where he continues to push ridiculous gimmicks and a terrible product. |
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 3, 2020 4:50:36 GMT -5
HHH had a complete stranglehold on creative in 2002. Nobody else was even in consideration for the Raw belt....
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Post by Warriah' on Oct 3, 2020 6:18:24 GMT -5
I still think after Hogan left, if Hall had stuck around and they had added Hennig (as well as Waltman and eventually Michaels) the group could have survived with some good booking with Nash as the leader.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Oct 4, 2020 5:36:18 GMT -5
HHH had a complete stranglehold on creative in 2002. Nobody else was even in consideration for the Raw belt.... I get the criticism for Triple H's abuse of power and selfishness from 2000-2006, but curious as to how you think they could have gone on without him as the top heel working the main event? Triple H definitely did hold on to his spots too much. Oversaturation for sure. He had real go-away heat. But he was so far and above any other top heel, that no one else could touch him. He was reliable and a credible threat. Booking-wise it made sense but not for the amount of time he was on top. But who else did they really have that could have morphed into the top heel role from 2003-2005? - Jericho should have been built up more and kept hot following his Undisputed title reign, but management/Triple H didn't see it in him. - Kane quickly fizzled out after 2003, but they would have had to keep him strong, a dominant force and dispicable heel like he was towards Shane and JR. But could he have carried the brand as the main heel? - Steiner "could" have worked as a loose cannon like he was in WCW in 2000-01, but in WWE they would never have let him flourish. Plus his drop foot and being out of shape meant he had it against him. - Nash was injury-prone, unreliable and his days in the main event were over. No one wanted to see him up there on the card. - Flair could have gone back to the glory days as a mega star and heel but they didn't want a 51 year old man in the title picture anymore - Orton and Batista weren't ready yet and Batista as a heel wouldn't work at the time, he'd have needed Flair as a mouthpiece. He was much better chasing the belt as a face - Booker T was too over as a face and his heel run in 2001 was not all that great - HBK was also too over as a face until he turned it up in 2005 and knocked it out of the park. But he never wanted to be the top guy with a belt. - Christian wasn't anywhere near the main event - Goldberg just didn't work either way in WWE It's clear they had a problem with the heels on the brand. Look at the years prior - 1997 you had Bret and Shawn as the top heels. But they were only on top for a few months before direction changed. - 1998 we saw HBK, Vince, The Rock, Undertaker and Kane carry the main event as heels. - 1999 had The Rock, The Undertaker, Triple H. - 2000 had less main event heels, mostly Triple H and later on Kurt Angle, with a few in the peripherals like in 2003/4/5 - 2001 had Stone Cold, Triple H, Booker T, Jericho - 2002 had Jericho, Undertaker, Triple H (taking away Lesnar because of the brand split, and focusing only on Raw for comparison for later years). And then 2003, 2004 and 2005 had who? Triple H. I literally could not count Kane (1 ppv alongside Triple H) or Orton (1ppv against Benoit) as they were only 1 month each and fleeting. Literally 1 man carried the brand as the top heel, whereas all those other years you had at least 2 or 3. Really does speak volumes. |
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Oct 4, 2020 6:52:34 GMT -5
This actually might be the best bad idea ever or the worst good idea ever.
Triple H in the nWo would have been way too sweet for WWE TV. I would have rather seen an nWo vs. DX feud. Kevin Nash and Scott Hall vs. Shawn Michaels and Triple H, with 1-2-3-6-X-Pac in the middle as the special guest referee. Of course they would do MSG II and then form the New D-Generation X World Order...nDXWo...the Kliq. Then add Big Show, Mr. Perfect, Road Dogg Jesse James, and Bad @$$ Billy Gunn.
Booker T. not joining the nWo would have made too much sense for WWE. If it makes sense, it won't make dollars. He should have formed an alliance with Hulk Hogan, the Rock, Kane, Bradshaw, Goldust, Rob Van Dam, the Dudleys, instead of ever joining the nWo. Maybe Stevie Ray should have come back with the Slap Jack...maybe not.
Ric Flair should never have drafted the nWo to Raw. Since he did, he should have feuded with them, reforming the 4 Horsemen as the manager this time, with the repackaged Radicalz.
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Post by JokerFC on Oct 5, 2020 9:21:49 GMT -5
HHH had a complete stranglehold on creative in 2002. Nobody else was even in consideration for the Raw belt.... I get the criticism for Triple H's abuse of power and selfishness from 2000-2006, but curious as to how you think they could have gone on without him as the top heel working the main event? Triple H definitely did hold on to his spots too much. Oversaturation for sure. He had real go-away heat. But he was so far and above any other top heel, that no one else could touch him. He was reliable and a credible threat. Booking-wise it made sense but not for the amount of time he was on top. But who else did they really have that could have morphed into the top heel role from 2003-2005? - Jericho should have been built up more and kept hot following his Undisputed title reign, but management/Triple H didn't see it in him. - Kane quickly fizzled out after 2003, but they would have had to keep him strong, a dominant force and dispicable heel like he was towards Shane and JR. But could he have carried the brand as the main heel? - Steiner "could" have worked as a loose cannon like he was in WCW in 2000-01, but in WWE they would never have let him flourish. Plus his drop foot and being out of shape meant he had it against him. - Nash was injury-prone, unreliable and his days in the main event were over. No one wanted to see him up there on the card. - Flair could have gone back to the glory days as a mega star and heel but they didn't want a 51 year old man in the title picture anymore - Orton and Batista weren't ready yet and Batista as a heel wouldn't work at the time, he'd have needed Flair as a mouthpiece. He was much better chasing the belt as a face - Booker T was too over as a face and his heel run in 2001 was not all that great - HBK was also too over as a face until he turned it up in 2005 and knocked it out of the park. But he never wanted to be the top guy with a belt. - Christian wasn't anywhere near the main event - Goldberg just didn't work either way in WWE It's clear they had a problem with the heels on the brand. Look at the years prior - 1997 you had Bret and Shawn as the top heels. But they were only on top for a few months before direction changed. - 1998 we saw HBK, Vince, The Rock, Undertaker and Kane carry the main event as heels. - 1999 had The Rock, The Undertaker, Triple H. - 2000 had less main event heels, mostly Triple H and later on Kurt Angle, with a few in the peripherals like in 2003/4/5 - 2001 had Stone Cold, Triple H, Booker T, Jericho - 2002 had Jericho, Undertaker, Triple H (taking away Lesnar because of the brand split, and focusing only on Raw for comparison for later years). And then 2003, 2004 and 2005 had who? Triple H. I literally could not count Kane (1 ppv alongside Triple H) or Orton (1ppv against Benoit) as they were only 1 month each and fleeting. Literally 1 man carried the brand as the top heel, whereas all those other years you had at least 2 or 3. Really does speak volumes. Excellent post man.....brilliant stuff. HHH was the only guy that could have carried the brand...100% agreed on that. |
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Post by johnnyhanson21 on Oct 18, 2020 14:31:31 GMT -5
Don't think Booker T ever fit or should have been in the stable,but it does suck we never got a true KLIQ version of nWo that was teased.But the stable was doomed from the jump with Hogan & Hall both losing at Mania and Nash continuing to get hurt.Just never click,but again a true version of the Kliq with HBK,Triple H,Nash,Hall & X-Pac would have been sick and a huge seller.
Guess the stable could have survived even after Nash's second injury and X-Pac being cut with Triple H,HBK,Big Show and then adding another member or two,but if they ended up doing that probably would have killed Evolution ever happing and maybe even HBK's return to the ring or delayed it some.
nWo in the WWF could have been huge just way to many issues behind the scenes.
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Post by johnnyhanson21 on Oct 18, 2020 14:37:06 GMT -5
HHH had a complete stranglehold on creative in 2002. Nobody else was even in consideration for the Raw belt.... I get the criticism for Triple H's abuse of power and selfishness from 2000-2006, but curious as to how you think they could have gone on without him as the top heel working the main event? Triple H definitely did hold on to his spots too much. Oversaturation for sure. He had real go-away heat. But he was so far and above any other top heel, that no one else could touch him. He was reliable and a credible threat. Booking-wise it made sense but not for the amount of time he was on top. But who else did they really have that could have morphed into the top heel role from 2003-2005? - Jericho should have been built up more and kept hot following his Undisputed title reign, but management/Triple H didn't see it in him. - Kane quickly fizzled out after 2003, but they would have had to keep him strong, a dominant force and dispicable heel like he was towards Shane and JR. But could he have carried the brand as the main heel? - Steiner "could" have worked as a loose cannon like he was in WCW in 2000-01, but in WWE they would never have let him flourish. Plus his drop foot and being out of shape meant he had it against him. - Nash was injury-prone, unreliable and his days in the main event were over. No one wanted to see him up there on the card. - Flair could have gone back to the glory days as a mega star and heel but they didn't want a 51 year old man in the title picture anymore - Orton and Batista weren't ready yet and Batista as a heel wouldn't work at the time, he'd have needed Flair as a mouthpiece. He was much better chasing the belt as a face - Booker T was too over as a face and his heel run in 2001 was not all that great - HBK was also too over as a face until he turned it up in 2005 and knocked it out of the park. But he never wanted to be the top guy with a belt. - Christian wasn't anywhere near the main event - Goldberg just didn't work either way in WWE It's clear they had a problem with the heels on the brand. Look at the years prior - 1997 you had Bret and Shawn as the top heels. But they were only on top for a few months before direction changed. - 1998 we saw HBK, Vince, The Rock, Undertaker and Kane carry the main event as heels. - 1999 had The Rock, The Undertaker, Triple H. - 2000 had less main event heels, mostly Triple H and later on Kurt Angle, with a few in the peripherals like in 2003/4/5 - 2001 had Stone Cold, Triple H, Booker T, Jericho - 2002 had Jericho, Undertaker, Triple H (taking away Lesnar because of the brand split, and focusing only on Raw for comparison for later years). And then 2003, 2004 and 2005 had who? Triple H. I literally could not count Kane (1 ppv alongside Triple H) or Orton (1ppv against Benoit) as they were only 1 month each and fleeting. Literally 1 man carried the brand as the top heel, whereas all those other years you had at least 2 or 3. Really does speak volumes.
I've always hated the backlash Triple H has gotten for his run in '02-'06 or so with him being the main focus of RAW.People always forget that when the brand split happened both Austin & Rock where basically done as in ring workers and that both RAW & Smackdown need to build and create new stars.Clearly the WWE was high on Brock so the focus was on him on Smackdown and Triple H who was still in his early 30's was and established name that gave credibility to RAW and the newly created World Title.Him beating the likes of RVD & Booker T is what really get people worked up but neither man was a long term solution as main eventer that could be built around and both weren't the draws that people make them out to be.During Triple H's reign of terror he helped to created not just one but three long term main eventers and draw in Cena,Batista & Orton and put all of them over clean as crap in the ring.In the case of both Batista & Cena extremely clean by jobbing multiple PPVs to them.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 19, 2020 8:43:32 GMT -5
I get the criticism for Triple H's abuse of power and selfishness from 2000-2006, but curious as to how you think they could have gone on without him as the top heel working the main event? Triple H definitely did hold on to his spots too much. Oversaturation for sure. He had real go-away heat. But he was so far and above any other top heel, that no one else could touch him. He was reliable and a credible threat. Booking-wise it made sense but not for the amount of time he was on top. But who else did they really have that could have morphed into the top heel role from 2003-2005? - Jericho should have been built up more and kept hot following his Undisputed title reign, but management/Triple H didn't see it in him. - Kane quickly fizzled out after 2003, but they would have had to keep him strong, a dominant force and dispicable heel like he was towards Shane and JR. But could he have carried the brand as the main heel? - Steiner "could" have worked as a loose cannon like he was in WCW in 2000-01, but in WWE they would never have let him flourish. Plus his drop foot and being out of shape meant he had it against him. - Nash was injury-prone, unreliable and his days in the main event were over. No one wanted to see him up there on the card. - Flair could have gone back to the glory days as a mega star and heel but they didn't want a 51 year old man in the title picture anymore - Orton and Batista weren't ready yet and Batista as a heel wouldn't work at the time, he'd have needed Flair as a mouthpiece. He was much better chasing the belt as a face - Booker T was too over as a face and his heel run in 2001 was not all that great - HBK was also too over as a face until he turned it up in 2005 and knocked it out of the park. But he never wanted to be the top guy with a belt. - Christian wasn't anywhere near the main event - Goldberg just didn't work either way in WWE It's clear they had a problem with the heels on the brand. Look at the years prior - 1997 you had Bret and Shawn as the top heels. But they were only on top for a few months before direction changed. - 1998 we saw HBK, Vince, The Rock, Undertaker and Kane carry the main event as heels. - 1999 had The Rock, The Undertaker, Triple H. - 2000 had less main event heels, mostly Triple H and later on Kurt Angle, with a few in the peripherals like in 2003/4/5 - 2001 had Stone Cold, Triple H, Booker T, Jericho - 2002 had Jericho, Undertaker, Triple H (taking away Lesnar because of the brand split, and focusing only on Raw for comparison for later years). And then 2003, 2004 and 2005 had who? Triple H. I literally could not count Kane (1 ppv alongside Triple H) or Orton (1ppv against Benoit) as they were only 1 month each and fleeting. Literally 1 man carried the brand as the top heel, whereas all those other years you had at least 2 or 3. Really does speak volumes. I've always hated the backlash Triple H has gotten for his run in '02-'06 or so with him being the main focus of RAW.People always forget that when the brand split happened both Austin & Rock where basically done as in ring workers and that both RAW & Smackdown need to build and create new stars.Clearly the WWE was high on Brock so the focus was on him on Smackdown and Triple H who was still in his early 30's was and established name that gave credibility to RAW and the newly created World Title.Him beating the likes of RVD & Booker T is what really get people worked up but neither man was a long term solution as main eventer that could be built around and both weren't the draws that people make them out to be.During Triple H's reign of terror he helped to created not just one but three long term main eventers and draw in Cena,Batista & Orton and put all of them over clean as crap in the ring.In the case of both Batista & Cena extremely clean by jobbing multiple PPVs to them.
I have to disagree that RVD wasn’t a draw. From all reports at the time RVD’s merch was the highest selling in the company right after Austin and Rock. The guy was crazy-over from 2001-2002. We’ll never know for sure if he could have been the top face on Raw at the time since they never pulled the trigger on him, but all indications pointed to yes, he could be. Original plans called for RVD to even win a tournament to become the first WHC before HHH killed that idea (confirmed by former Raw writers from that timeframe). |
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Oct 20, 2020 19:23:07 GMT -5
Had Vince gotten Sting and Goldberg and Flair and all the big names they could’ve easily bled good WCW into WWF. Acquiring top guys 1-2 and then 13 years later hurt.
NWO should’ve been integrated at Invasion. Bring back the original NWO. Hogan likely still goes face but you still have Hall and Nash. Triple H and HBK
Join the NWO and they run roughshod.
Makes money matches. Sting, Hogan, Flair and Goldberg vs NWO Kliq
So many big money feuds. And that’s just with two WWF guys. Throw Taker Austin Rock Kane etc in and the wrestling industry today would be completely different.
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 7, 2020 10:54:38 GMT -5
I always disagree that Sting & the nWo should have been part of the Invasion. They always should have been held in reserve for after it. You bring Sting in as a face to fight them.
They are the ultimate enemy that everybody hates. It would have worked.
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