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Post by Kill Em' All on Oct 26, 2020 1:05:42 GMT -5
I think Orton imo is a performer that my opinion varies. I always was fun of Orton especially his Legend Killer days, even the early Viper Days. But at times I felt is performances would get stale, and at times I feel Orton always just needs a good program. And When things got stale, I feel like he'd put back together. But in the past few years I have had no interest personally. Since 2015 Face run I really had no care for Orton. Until, I seen his work with Kofi Kingston. I really thought Orton was creeping toward the end and the lack of emphasis since his brief 2017 run. His work with Edge and Drew Mcintyre I think both have been some of the past work of his career. And I unlike most, think Orton deserves one more title run of him running through path of destruction. Personally I been huge fan of Mcintyre's work, but tonight's loss did not hurt him. And will write a just fine arch with him getting back the title. And I think either way you look at it I think Mcintyre having some program to reclaim the title by Mania would be perfect. As a Edge mark I would not mind Edge defeating Orton at Mania to drop the title at the next event to Mcintyre. And having some huge interpromotional program with Mcintyre going into Mania to buy time. I personally have high hopes for Orton and Mcintyre moving forward. And seeing Orton run new programs this fall/winter.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Oct 26, 2020 4:36:03 GMT -5
Yeah, this is the best he's been in over ten years.
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Post by bababooey on Oct 26, 2020 8:14:16 GMT -5
My opinion on Orton is that he’s never lost it. He’s always at the top of his game and always over, but sometimes that consistency can hurt him in that he gets stale quicker since you’re always seeing him and he never really does anything too different.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 26, 2020 8:57:19 GMT -5
Orton has been one of the best in-ring storytellers in the business for over 10 years now. While fans seem to prefer the “indy-style” or high flying and big-spot after big-spot matches, Randy understand that basic facial expressions can garner the same reaction as someone going through a table if used correctly.
I never bought the idea that Randy was “lazy.” I always felt that it was more to do with his opponents not being up to par or his storylines not meaning much.
Overall Randy is easily the most consistent veteran the WWE currently has on a near full time basis.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Oct 26, 2020 10:27:20 GMT -5
It is unbelievable that he is having such a run right now. He has really been the best part of the year on basically every RAW and PPV he's on. I'm always looking forward to Orton's matches and stories, which is way off base with how I've viewed him since like...2011?
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Post by teammadness on Oct 26, 2020 10:54:44 GMT -5
Orton was his best from 03-05....then he was pretty good from 06-09...and then he was Randy Boreton from 10-19 and this year he has been on fire
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Post by Nick Papagiorgio on Oct 26, 2020 11:55:46 GMT -5
I heard that the Vince wants to do Orton Vs. Edge III for the WWE Championship in an I Quit Match at WrestleMania. This match doesn't need the title.
Since 2012 every Mania had a part timer in the main event
2012 (WM 28) - Rock
2013 (WM 29) - Rock
2014 (WM 30) - Batista
2015 (WM 31) - Brock
2016 (WM 32) - Triple H
2017 (WM 33) - Undertaker
2018 (WM 34) - Brock
2019 (WM 35) - Ronda (Not part timer but you see where I am coming from, she wrestled live event here and there)
2020 (WM 36) - Brock
2021 (WM 37) - Edge or if The Rock wants to do a match.
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Post by Bpatrick on Oct 26, 2020 12:36:54 GMT -5
I don’t dislike Orton and he’s having a good run now but historically I am least I’m interested in Orton when he’s in the title picture. Even in like 2016-17, I found him interesting up until the Rumble win and wasn’t really intrigued by anything until after he put over Jinder. I don’t know why. Maybe in my eyes he’s just one of those guys that has transcended the title but I’ve really felt this way about him during all his title reigns in the 2010s.
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Post by Valbroski on Oct 26, 2020 13:18:39 GMT -5
He’s had some great promos working with Drew. The only thing that I thought was stupid was the night vision goggle segment. But I mean, this is pro wrestling and sometimes things get corny.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Oct 26, 2020 13:23:03 GMT -5
I liked Orton's early run. The legend killer stuff leading to him facing Mick Foley to me was the highlight of his career. It always felt like they just fed him championships so one day he'd get close to Flair (I'm looking at you No Mercy 2007 lol). The feud vs Christian was solid as well.
To me he's always been average to mediocre in the ring. That feud vs Daniel Bryan should have been his last main event run.
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Post by icopro on Oct 26, 2020 13:28:42 GMT -5
I always kind of figured him and Cena would end up in a match to break Flair's record one day.
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Post by LA Times on Oct 26, 2020 17:41:11 GMT -5
I heard that the Vince wants to do Orton Vs. Edge III for the WWE Championship in an I Quit Match at WrestleMania. This match doesn't need the title. Since 2012 every Mania had a part timer in the main event 2012 (WM 28) - Rock 2013 (WM 29) - Rock 2014 (WM 30) - Batista 2015 (WM 31) - Brock 2016 (WM 32) - Triple H 2017 (WM 33) - Undertaker 2018 (WM 34) - Brock 2019 (WM 35) - Ronda (Not part timer but you see where I am coming from, she wrestled live event here and there) 2020 (WM 36) - Brock 2021 (WM 37) - Edge or if The Rock wants to do a match. I wouldn't consider HHH a part timer at WM32. Even though he wasn't wrestling often, he was still on TV and the road every week to help build up the match. |
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Post by k5 on Oct 26, 2020 17:50:39 GMT -5
Orton was his best from 03-05....then he was pretty good from 06-09...and then he was Randy Boreton from 10-19 and this year he has been on fire this sounds most accurate |
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Oct 26, 2020 18:13:49 GMT -5
I feel like it was a little early to take the belt off of Drew, but Orton has been pretty awesome since returning at the Rumble. I do feel like this is leading to another match with Edge, but I really really wish that they could save Edge for the return of live crowds. I don’t know that they can, it could be two years before that happens, but for his sake he deserves to be seen in front of people. This could also potentially be one of Orton’s last big runs, since he himself is 40, so it’s a bummer if the culmination of this feud is in front of a video screen with piped in noise. How cool of a story would it be if they could talk about Edge fighting for the title he never lost in a war that has transcended the apocalypse?
I really don’t know where Drew goes from here though. I think it was too soon. He had a good run, but not a great run.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Oct 26, 2020 19:00:27 GMT -5
It's 2020 and Orton should be nowhere near the title. How are WWE meant to build young stars when they keep going back to old timers.
What makes matters worse is that he will be a 6 month transitional champion until Edge beats him at Mania which IMO is another huge step back.
I also don't understand what's been so great about him this year. His feud with Edge dragged and so has his current one with Mcintyre. It's just been the same boring Orton stuff that's been going on the past decade.
I don't criticise WWE as much as other do, but they are making similar mistakes that WCW made. Drew was one of the best champs in years and he may not get another sniff of the title for over a year at least.
I would rather have see him feud with guys like AJ or Lee.
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Oct 26, 2020 19:26:44 GMT -5
I don't hate Orton, but I hate that McIntyre lost the Title already. Would have liked him to hold it longer, but hopefully this means he'll get a huge win & longer reign when crowds are back.
If this is leading to Edge/Orton 3, then like everyone else has mentioned, it doesn't need the title.
I don't think people don't appreciate how lucky we are to still have him around full time. He's been full time since 2002, and isn't showing signs of slowing down. Given the shape he's in, and how young he still is, I wouldn't be surprised if we get another 5 years before he STARTS to go part time. Then I think people will truly appreciate him like they did Cena.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Oct 27, 2020 2:51:40 GMT -5
It's 2020 and Orton should be nowhere near the title. How are WWE meant to build young stars when they keep going back to old timers. What makes matters worse is that he will be a 6 month transitional champion until Edge beats him at Mania which IMO is another huge step back. I also don't understand what's been so great about him this year. His feud with Edge dragged and so has his current one with Mcintyre. It's just been the same boring Orton stuff that's been going on the past decade. I don't criticise WWE as much as other do, but they are making similar mistakes that WCW made. Drew was one of the best champs in years and he may not get another sniff of the title for over a year at least. I would rather have see him feud with guys like AJ or Lee. I personally disagree; I don’t see it as transitional reign. Orton could get over atleast 2 solid programs until a Mania program. Transitional champion is someone who quickly holds the belt just to drop it back to that person; or rising star. I think McIntyre did well for 6 month reign; and could of had 1 year plus reign. But I think we left on good note with us wanting more. And redemption arch. Yes, Ortons primary arch since 2007 has been sadistic and self absorbed character. And plays the stop at nothing to get what he wants. But how vindictive he has been, the promo quality, and quality segments he’s been pulling off are some of his best work in very very long time. I could see where Orton and Edges program should of been 1 hit stop. But I am a fan of prolonged stories and WWE lacks long term stories that result in major conclusions. McIntyre wasn’t hurt by this defeat; and even if they want McIntyre to regain the title at Mania it’ll be strong showing. |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Oct 27, 2020 2:54:59 GMT -5
I don't hate Orton, but I hate that McIntyre lost the Title already. Would have liked him to hold it longer, but hopefully this means he'll get a huge win & longer reign when crowds are back. If this is leading to Edge/Orton 3, then like everyone else has mentioned, it doesn't need the title. I don't think people don't appreciate how lucky we are to still have him around full time. He's been full time since 2002, and isn't showing signs of slowing down. Given the shape he's in, and how young he still is, I wouldn't be surprised if we get another 5 years before he STARTS to go part time. Then I think people will truly appreciate him like they did Cena. I agree, he’s definitely has had boring phases. And for good amount of time between 2011-2013 2016-2019 I felt were very uninspiring years to watch him. I think overall he’s gift to the industry and I’ve enjoyed watching his character mature and some of the great programs he’s given us. And I remember my brother saying 7 years ago; Ortons gonna be around for long time. The fact he’s 40; but has done this much makes you want to think he’s older. But; I think Orton can deliver some compelling angles for a while. And it’ll be while before he slows down psychically unless he makes the choice before his body. |
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Post by Kill Em' All on Oct 27, 2020 2:56:21 GMT -5
I heard that the Vince wants to do Orton Vs. Edge III for the WWE Championship in an I Quit Match at WrestleMania. This match doesn't need the title. Since 2012 every Mania had a part timer in the main event 2012 (WM 28) - Rock 2013 (WM 29) - Rock 2014 (WM 30) - Batista 2015 (WM 31) - Brock 2016 (WM 32) - Triple H 2017 (WM 33) - Undertaker 2018 (WM 34) - Brock 2019 (WM 35) - Ronda (Not part timer but you see where I am coming from, she wrestled live event here and there) 2020 (WM 36) - Brock 2021 (WM 37) - Edge or if The Rock wants to do a match. Actually really good point; I think this generation has hard time really establishing compelling characters with compelling story arcs/ giving the ones who do have it center stage |
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Post by @brit_figs on Oct 27, 2020 12:08:03 GMT -5
i do think we will get see Orton vs. Cena one last time eventually.
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