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Post by The Lion's Den on Nov 3, 2020 15:15:35 GMT -5
This seems to be a new thing as I scroll through social media comments about sports teams and their championships. I'm talking about people minimizing legitimate championships and thinking they don't count. This is probably just a bi-product of social media, trolling, and not understanding sports, but is this a real thing people are believing? Some examples: 1) MLB was a shortened season, does the Dodgers championship deserve an asterisk? It's still legitimate as every team had the same opportunity, but does it compare 2) Lakers win the NBA Championship. People hate Lebron for some reason, so that's one thing, but it's Lebron. People said, injuries to the Heat - Bam, Jimmy wasn't 100%, Dragic, but every team plays a long season and has injuries to overcome. That's sports, that's basketball. People rise to the occasion. 3) Raptors (This one I'm partial too because I'm from Toronto  " src="http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/cheesy.gif" class="smile"]. This is where I first noticed it. The Golden State Warriors had all those injuries, you could say there may have been a different outcome with KD and Klay, but that wasn't the reality. You could say that about anything though. Again, sports is all about overcoming the adversity. In this case, injuries. The GSW didn't have enough depth and that was the outcome. 4) The Astros. MLB did nothing about that championship. How do you compare the previous examples with the Astros championship? Do they all deserve asterisks to you or just one? And these are just modern examples. My question for (meaningful) discussion is, is this even a discussion - all championships are legitimate? Or, are there some less meaningful than others? ...Or are people just trolls?  |
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Post by TheLastDude on Nov 3, 2020 15:18:49 GMT -5
The Astros should have had their title vacated, so no asterisk required.
As for all the rest, well, that's the name of the game. Sometimes one team gets screwed through nobody's fault. Everyone you cited has a legitimate claim to their championship.
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Post by sonstuds on Nov 3, 2020 15:35:17 GMT -5
I don't put asterisk on any of those and with the exception of the Astros it's absurd that anyone would even legitimately think it.
1) As you said, a shortened season is completely irrelevant. All the teams were dealt the same hand. That's just people upset their team didn't win.
2) lol I've seen that criticism levied at the Raptors and it's incredible. For anyone to legitimately make the argument about how unfair injuries were to the Warriors is hilarious revisionism. I guess they didn't play the Cavs in the finals in '15 who were without Love and Irving (how quickly we forget when Matthew Dellavedova was LeBron's right hand man), didn't have a series against the Spurs where Kawhi got injured in a game one (due to a debatable dirty play), and Chris Paul never got hurt in the WCF when the Rockets were up 3-2. Get that ish outta here. Injuries happen.
3) Personally I don't think sign stealing is some huge deal that discredits every accomplishment, BUT I know I'm in the minority on this and my opinion probably shouldn't carry much weight seeing as how I don't care about baseball that much. Seriously though, just change up your signals and it's problem solved.
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Post by LK3 on Nov 3, 2020 18:30:23 GMT -5
The only one that can be argued as not legitimate is the Astros. They went to great lengths to try to inform their hitters of what pitches were coming. All the others were played out on the field/court fairly, we assume lol. Injuries happen all the time, and you can debate till the end of time what could’ve happened if players were healthy, but that’s no reason to deem something not legitimate. Cleveland lost Kyrie and Love the first year GS won, GS had Draymond suspended for game 5 the following year. Losing players happens a lot for various reasons. So, I don’t see how an opinion that the other team might’ve won had they had all their players makes the winning teams championship not legitimate or whatever you want to call it. Just morons on social media, and I’m glad I don’t use places like Twitter.
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Post by rkfastmo on Nov 3, 2020 18:59:29 GMT -5
Vacate every "championship" this year. Fans got their precious games. Leagues got their precious monies. Broadcasters got their precious ratings. Who gives a hug after that?
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Post by finnbalor1 on Nov 4, 2020 9:29:35 GMT -5
I'm not a big baseball fan but what I do know of it the Astros are the only one on that list I see something people can argue against imo. The injury excuse is nonsense imo almost every team has injuries that's just apart of the game that's never gonna change.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Nov 5, 2020 13:33:46 GMT -5
The Astros 100%
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Post by The Lion's Den on Nov 6, 2020 15:19:08 GMT -5
Seems like we're all on the same page with the Astros and letting the other championships be championships. I thought I was going crazy. You can always say "what if", but it doesn't change reality.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Nov 6, 2020 19:51:27 GMT -5
Dodgers - asterisk, season too short
Lakers - asterisk, season just felt wrong
Raptors - legit
Astros - cheaters, asterisk
Barry bonds - asterisk
Roger Clemens - asterisk
Patriots - legit
Pete Rose - legit
Yankees - legit
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Post by Tim of thee on Nov 6, 2020 23:37:48 GMT -5
Dodgers - asterisk, season too short Lakers - asterisk, season just felt wrong Raptors - legit Astros - cheaters, asterisk Barry bonds - asterisk Roger Clemens - asterisk Patriots - legit Pete Rose - legit Yankees - legit Lol where u from again? |
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Post by LK3 on Nov 7, 2020 2:26:37 GMT -5
Dodgers - asterisk, season too short Lakers - asterisk, season just felt wrong Raptors - legit Astros - cheaters, asterisk Barry bonds - asterisk Roger Clemens - asterisk Patriots - legit Pete Rose - legit Yankees - legit Lol where u from again? Do you think he believes the Red Sox should have an asterisk for the 2018 season? 🤔 |
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Nov 7, 2020 13:40:42 GMT -5
An asterisk is an excuse people build in to say "I dont like this so I'm going to delegitimize it".
The Dodgers won fair and square. As did the Lakers. It isnt their fault teams like the bucks, clippers, etc fell apart before they met up. You can only beat who you play.
The Astros should be vacated. They full on cheated the game. There is cheating and there is CHEATING. They CHEATED.
None of the Patriots super bowls should have asterisks, even if people like to complain.
Barry bonds is the home run king and jon jones is the greatest mixed martial artist ever. No asterisks.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Nov 16, 2020 10:36:23 GMT -5
I was thinking along the same lines, but just concerning the pandemic seasons of all sports, I feel the future will regard all of the champions of this year, and maybe next, with an asterisk, or at the very least, some skepticisim and a "yea, but." No one was able to show what they were actually capable of, and in places like college football, didn't actually get to play equal number of games. I am not saying these wins aren't legit, and as one of you above pointed out, nearly fair playing fields (minus certain exceptions), but that there will always be doubts and a cloud over these pandemic games to what could have been, or should have been.
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Post by The Lion's Den on Nov 16, 2020 12:39:50 GMT -5
I was thinking along the same lines, but just concerning the pandemic seasons of all sports, I feel the future will regard all of the champions of this year, and maybe next, with an asterisk, or at the very least, some skepticisim and a "yea, but." No one was able to show what they were actually capable of, and in places like college football, didn't actually get to play equal number of games. I am not saying these wins aren't legit, and as one of you above pointed out, nearly fair playing fields (minus certain exceptions), but that there will always be doubts and a cloud over these pandemic games to what could have been, or should have been. I think doubts or skepticism is a good word. For baseball, a shortened season with only %37 of the games is one thing. But full seasons were played in basketball and hockey pretty much (although they changed the format). It will be a bit touchy. The sports themselves will play it up as a dramatic story line though. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Nov 19, 2020 12:47:13 GMT -5
I don't think the 2020 sports seasons should have asterisks. So far the favorites have won.
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Post by AV1 on Nov 27, 2020 5:19:52 GMT -5
For the American sports the way I look at it, despite the shorter season everyone had the same chance to win so it’s legit.
Got a couple of examples from football to some up IMO if legit or not. The Champions League is normally a group stage and then a two-legged knock-out where teams play each other home and away (last 16, quarter final, semi final, final). Last season due to Covid the season was paused after the last 16. To finish the competition they played the rest of the knockout stage as a single leg winner takes all at a neutral venue. I’d say this is legit as situation same for everyone and the best team won.
For the domestic leagues in Scotland the winners should have an asterisk. Normally teams play each other 4 times (twice and home and twice away), 36 games in total and get 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss. Last season it was paused after 27 games I think and decided on a points per game ratio. In one of the leagues the team who were awarded the title were only 1 point ahead of second place and they still had to play each other. Was still very much a 50:50 for the title so it should have an Asterix.
Let’s say for example it’s a golf major. If they decide to just award the winner to the player in the lead after the 3rd round, Asterix. If they annnounce before the tournament starts they are only playing 3 rounds, I’d say legit.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Dec 19, 2020 11:56:33 GMT -5
I'm waiting to see how college football plays out.
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