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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Jan 24, 2021 2:37:48 GMT -5
Jazzwares can make any sting look since sting owns his name and likeness. The only problem is WCW owned logos like the NWO Wolfpac logo which WWE owns. So Jazzwares will need to stay away from that.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 24, 2021 2:53:47 GMT -5
Jazzwares can make any sting look since sting owns his name and likeness. The only problem is WCW owned logos like the NWO Wolfpac logo which WWE owns. So Jazzwares will need to stay away from that. There’s only one attire with that problem, the Wolfpac singlet with the nWo logo on it. They can do literally everything else (maybe not Joker Sting) |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Jan 24, 2021 3:20:58 GMT -5
how can they make wcw themed stings when wwe owns the video library ? I am pretty sure they can not make any wcw sting figures unless i am missing something. Because they own the tapes, not Sting Exactly. Also, WWE didn’t create the Sting character. Only thing AEW wouldn’t be able to do is use the NWO logo on a wolfpac Sting. However, it could be avoided because Sting wore several Wolfpac attires without the logo. Now this got me thinking, I’d love a Vampiro. I think he’s one of the only guys to never work for Vince. |
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Post by Old Zeke on Jan 24, 2021 7:21:32 GMT -5
Because they own the tapes, not Sting Exactly. Also, WWE didn’t create the Sting character. Only thing AEW wouldn’t be able to do is use the NWO logo on a wolfpac Sting. However, it could be avoided because Sting wore several Wolfpac attires without the logo. Now this got me thinking, I’d love a Vampiro. I think he’s one of the only guys to never work for Vince. Vampiro won't budge when it comes to figures - he says he's all about the future and not the past. Hopefully that changes! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 8:31:37 GMT -5
I just want my Stings. ‘96, ‘97 Starrcade, 98 all with the PROPER tall boots and different hairstyles. Wolfpac, ‘99 Sting with mid length hair with mid sized boots and then another with short white boots. There are so many possibilities. I’m just hoping they go the extra mile and notice the little details. Mattel dropped the ball on their stings imo. how can they make wcw themed stings when wwe owns the video library ? I am pretty sure they can not make any wcw sting figures unless i am missing something. Because owning footage doesn't mean you own the gear that wrestlers designed themselves, paid for and commissioned before they ever worked for WWE. This question's been answered several times. Storm Collectibles exclusively did WCW and WWF/E attire Hogans and only had to change the Hollywood shirt slightly on their figure because they couldn't use 'nWo'. WWE doesn't own anything that ever appeared on Sting's gear aside from the nWo logo on his Wolfpac gear. Jazwares can do everything else because Sting owns that stuff. Exactly. Also, WWE didn’t create the Sting character. Only thing AEW wouldn’t be able to do is use the NWO logo on a wolfpac Sting. However, it could be avoided because Sting wore several Wolfpac attires without the logo. Now this got me thinking, I’d love a Vampiro. I think he’s one of the only guys to never work for Vince. Vampiro won't budge when it comes to figures - he says he's all about the future and not the past. Hopefully that changes! He's getting figures from Boss Fight Studios in their Legends of Lucha line. |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 24, 2021 8:42:14 GMT -5
how can they make wcw themed stings when wwe owns the video library ? I am pretty sure they can not make any wcw sting figures unless i am missing something. Because owning footage doesn't mean you own the gear that wrestlers designed themselves, paid for and commissioned before they ever worked for WWE. This question's been answered several times. Storm Collectibles exclusively did WCW and WWF/E attire Hogans and only had to change the Hollywood shirt slightly on their figure because they couldn't use 'nWo'. WWE doesn't own anything that ever appeared on Sting's gear aside from the nWo logo on his Wolfpac gear. Jazwares can do everything else because Sting owns that stuff. Vampiro won't budge when it comes to figures - he says he's all about the future and not the past. Hopefully that changes! He's getting figures from Boss Fight Studios in their Legends of Lucha line. I hope we get ultimate versions of Vampiro & Juvi |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 8:54:04 GMT -5
Because owning footage doesn't mean you own the gear that wrestlers designed themselves, paid for and commissioned before they ever worked for WWE. This question's been answered several times. Storm Collectibles exclusively did WCW and WWF/E attire Hogans and only had to change the Hollywood shirt slightly on their figure because they couldn't use 'nWo'. WWE doesn't own anything that ever appeared on Sting's gear aside from the nWo logo on his Wolfpac gear. Jazwares can do everything else because Sting owns that stuff. He's getting figures from Boss Fight Studios in their Legends of Lucha line. I hope we get ultimate versions of Vampiro & Juvi Same here. I'm hopeful the line does well enough to get us to collectors figures of those two and Ultimo Dragon. |
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Post by stc13 on Jan 24, 2021 9:02:59 GMT -5
I think this has been said elsewhere in this thread, but look at the Storm Hogans or Legends of Wrestling video games for some idea of what is/isn't possible. Trademarked graphics or terms will be off limits, but there is a ton of territory that Jazwares can cover. I think people are going to be pleasantly surprised.
In terms of Sting, if there is a silver lining for those who aren't thrilled about so many repaints in the line so far...we're probably going to get a new Sting figure every 3-4 series. So if you thought Mattel didn't give us enough Stings, hold on to your wallet.
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Post by PJ on Jan 24, 2021 13:05:57 GMT -5
Jazzwares can make any sting look since sting owns his name and likeness. The only problem is WCW owned logos like the NWO Wolfpac logo which WWE owns. So Jazzwares will need to stay away from that. I don’t know about that. This was over 10 years ago so my memory is a little foggy, but I am pretty sure when Trevor asked Jakks to do the American Sting as a RSC exclusive I think he was told it had to a certain era. I think he was told pre ‘93 because they couldn’t do anything WCW past that because of the WWE owning WCW. So certain WCW may not be allowed. |
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Jan 24, 2021 18:08:57 GMT -5
Jazzwares can make any sting look since sting owns his name and likeness. The only problem is WCW owned logos like the NWO Wolfpac logo which WWE owns. So Jazzwares will need to stay away from that. I don’t know about that. This was over 10 years ago so my memory is a little foggy, but I am pretty sure when Trevor asked Jakks to do the American Sting as a RSC exclusive I think he was told it had to a certain era. I think he was told pre ‘93 because they couldn’t do anything WCW past that because of the WWE owning WCW. So certain WCW may not be allowed. I just remember the Legends of Wrestling video game and how Acclaim got around the copyrights. Attires were close to accurate to eras of WWF, NWA and WCW. |
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Post by Jonny Flashback on Jan 25, 2021 3:04:16 GMT -5
I think this has been said elsewhere in this thread, but look at the Storm Hogans or Legends of Wrestling video games for some idea of what is/isn't possible. Trademarked graphics or terms will be off limits, but there is a ton of territory that Jazwares can cover. I think people are going to be pleasantly surprised. In terms of Sting, if there is a silver lining for those who aren't thrilled about so many repaints in the line so far...we're probably going to get a new Sting figure every 3-4 series. So if you thought Mattel didn't give us enough Stings, hold on to your wallet. It was said by yourself in this very thread on page 1, not elsewhere, so I'm guessing people aren't reading that bit. You explained it all very well and I appreciate that a lot. Helped a lot with our podcast episode on the future of the line  |
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Post by dixol on Jan 26, 2021 0:20:25 GMT -5
Because they own the tapes, not Sting WWE owns all the old WCW copyrights as well. They didn’t just buy the tape library, they bought everything. That’s why they made the Young Bucks stop doing the 2 sweet hand gesture. |
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Jan 26, 2021 0:49:48 GMT -5
Because they own the tapes, not Sting WWE owns all the old WCW copyrights as well. They didn’t just buy the tape library, they bought everything. That’s why they made the Young Bucks stop doing the 2 sweet hand gesture. Aren't the bullet club doing that now? |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 26, 2021 1:01:04 GMT -5
Because they own the tapes, not Sting WWE owns all the old WCW copyrights as well. They didn’t just buy the tape library, they bought everything. That’s why they made the Young Bucks stop doing the 2 sweet hand gesture. Which they are now doing more than ever |
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Jan 26, 2021 1:13:35 GMT -5
This is from the legends of Wrestling video game. So looking at all these Sting looks which were from WCW I sure Jazzwares can do all his looks. flic.kr/p/2kvNB58 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 6:50:55 GMT -5
Because they own the tapes, not Sting WWE owns all the old WCW copyrights as well. They didn’t just buy the tape library, they bought everything. That’s why they made the Young Bucks stop doing the 2 sweet hand gesture. That was always very ambiguous - One of the reasons was the the hand gesture was invented by Xpac, and is actually called "The Turkish Wolf", after he did it with the guys on a WWF tour in Turkey. The Kliq as a whole used this hand gesture with each other "behind the scenes" in WWF - it went with Nash/Hall [and later waltman] to WCW etc.  [above image: The kilq doing it in WWF] WWE made the point that its a "wwe created hand gesture" as in 'it was created in WWE, so they own it' and nobody argued the case, as it'd cost too much money to do so I expect. Then again They've started doing it again so, they probably don't care anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 7:06:53 GMT -5
Because they own the tapes, not Sting WWE owns all the old WCW copyrights as well. They didn’t just buy the tape library, they bought everything. That’s why they made the Young Bucks stop doing the 2 sweet hand gesture. WCW didn't copyright a  ing hand gesture. Thr Bucks are doing it again and WWE is doing nothing because the hand sign didn't originate in WCW or thr WWF. They so don't own any of the iconography on Sting's gear because WCW didn't either. I'm also not sure how WWE can claim ownage of something that North Carolina State University has been using since before any of the Kliq were involved in wrestling. Source: lastwordonsports.com/prowrestling/2017/09/28/sweet-wwe-sues-young-bucks-can-ncs-sue-wwe/amp/ |
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Post by PJ on Jan 26, 2021 8:31:25 GMT -5
This is from the legends of Wrestling video game. So looking at all these Sting looks which were from WCW I sure Jazzwares can do all his looks. flic.kr/p/2kvNB58And that GAB Sting was Pre’93 (GAB ‘90) Also video games deals are different than figure deals we’ve heard that now for ages. I hope they can make every Sting, but I don’t think they can judging by what Trevor had said when he was asking Jakks for the exclusive American Sting. But like I said that was 10 years ago so the details of what was said are a little foggy now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 11:29:52 GMT -5
This is from the legends of Wrestling video game. So looking at all these Sting looks which were from WCW I sure Jazzwares can do all his looks. flic.kr/p/2kvNB58And that GAB Sting was Pre’93 (GAB ‘90) Also video games deals are different than figure deals we’ve heard that now for ages. I hope they can make every Sting, but I don’t think they can judging by what Trevor had said when he was asking Jakks for the exclusive American Sting. But like I said that was 10 years ago so the details of what was said are a little foggy now. Video game deals are different that figure deals in terms of how WWE works where one doesn't mean the other. Sting signing with Acclaim likely gave them access to every attire that Jazwares and Mattel would have access to outside of the obvious nWo attires in the case of Acclaim and Jazwares. This deal was then licensing Sting and doing the four most popular attires, like they did with Warrior and basicslly everyone else in those games. |
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Post by PJ on Jan 26, 2021 11:56:27 GMT -5
And that GAB Sting was Pre’93 (GAB ‘90) Also video games deals are different than figure deals we’ve heard that now for ages. I hope they can make every Sting, but I don’t think they can judging by what Trevor had said when he was asking Jakks for the exclusive American Sting. But like I said that was 10 years ago so the details of what was said are a little foggy now. Video game deals are different that figure deals in terms of how WWE works where one doesn't mean the other. Sting signing with Acclaim likely gave them access to every attire that Jazwares and Mattel would have access to outside of the obvious nWo attires in the case of Acclaim and Jazwares. This deal was then licensing Sting and doing the four most popular attires, like they did with Warrior and basicslly everyone else in those games. Yes but again my memory is foggy on this because it was 10 years ago, but when Jakks lost the WWE license to Mattel but got the TNA license Trevor asked Jakks to do a RSC exclusive Surfer Sting and he was told something along the lines it had to be pre ‘93 because the WWE had the rights to anything post ‘92. So that was why he picked the American Sting attire from his match vs Muta. So if Jakks couldn’t do WCW Sting attires post ‘92 then maybe Jazwares would still have the same restrictions? Again that was 10 years ago, so I hope they can do any WCW and TNA Sting, but if they were restricted back then they could still be restricted today to NWA & TNA attires. I hope that’s not the case, but I don’t know what would have changed. And I don’t think Sting had a Legends deal yet back then for that to have been a factor on why the ‘93 until the end of WCW was off limits to Jakks. |
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