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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 15:15:15 GMT -5
Just saw the Mattel retro news! The distancing I spoke of in my previous post all makes sense, someone was tipped off before the reveals today...
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Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 8, 2021 16:39:20 GMT -5
As much as the price and lack of interest in doing business outside of the US is massively offputting, retros being back means nothing for any potential interest I'd have had in this line. Retros quite simply are horrendous, they don't even have a passing resemblance to hasbros. I respectfully disagree, and would encourage you to have an open mind this time around, Mattel I would assume have worked out all the issues that had the first time around. In addition the names Mattel has access to, and even just the looks they can present and correct logos on packaging is appealing in addition to the figures they will produce. But I also respect they are not for you at this time. I am sure this is a little bit sweet for Steve at Mattel who really pushed for the line to return and really deserves the credit here. 24 hours ago Zombie was running down the retro Ryder in comparison to his Cardona. With one announcement I am all in on the Mattel retro line, no matter who they produce. Zombie: “doing it better than anyone has ever done it” Mattel: “Hold my beer” 😂 To each their own but seeing Roddy and Gene they look very much in line with the first go around and nothing like the hasbros IMO. I'm not even sure the ZST line has captured the hasbro look totally aside from Ron Rudat's sketches (but they are closer at least).
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Post by juicexct on Apr 8, 2021 19:28:59 GMT -5
Just saw the Mattel retro news! The distancing I spoke of in my previous post all makes sense, someone was tipped off before the reveals today... What distancing are you speaking of?
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Post by mrh on Apr 9, 2021 0:57:05 GMT -5
Let's be real though, five-ten years from now those figures are going to drop in value. The window of relevancy will be long gone and nobody will give a crap.
THIS -- 100%. They will be worth so little down the road. You should just buy them because you want to own them.
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Post by mrh on Apr 9, 2021 0:57:56 GMT -5
They are missing the Hasbro sheen first of all -- and are over-sculpted and too realistic. I for the life of me don't understand this critique. Hasbros had all sorts of random definition and "over-sculpted" features. I feel like we're not looking at the same figures. Also, these aren't the finished products...they're hand painted prototypes. So there isn't going to be a finished sheen to this.
IF you think the Ryder and Hawkins protos look anything like any of the above, we just have two different sets of eyes. I hope you buy them and are happy with them!
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Post by GoldenHulk on Apr 9, 2021 2:33:19 GMT -5
Best I can tell the argument from some people here seems to be that these new figures look too modern and aren't giving the nostalgic feels of their childhood Hasbros. I think Mattel has you covered if that's your jam. These are in the same scale but with modern paint apps, designed by one of the original Hasbro WWF designers, and sculpted by a top level sculptor. They are more of a high end format (like a hardcover omnibus graphic novel with extras as opposed to a trade paperback, for example) and most definitely more in line with what a Ron Rudat or one of the others designers at the time WISHED the finished products looked like. I can't recall reading or hearing anything that said they'd look exactly like Hasbros. I'm struggling to figure out the negativity or why some people seem to be making it a mission to spend exorbitant amounts of time arguing and trashing an as-yet released product on an old message board forum. I mean, I realize this is a sort of immature hobby to begin with and maybe my tastes and priorities have changed over the decades, but it seems pointless to be so incessantly negative.
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Post by casanova on Apr 9, 2021 4:35:50 GMT -5
Best I can tell the argument from some people here seems to be that these new figures look too modern and aren't giving the nostalgic feels of their childhood Hasbros. I think Mattel has you covered if that's your jam. These are in the same scale but with modern paint apps, designed by one of the original Hasbro WWF designers, and sculpted by a top level sculptor. They are more of a high end format (like a hardcover omnibus graphic novel with extras as opposed to a trade paperback, for example) and most definitely more in line with what a Ron Rudat or one of the others designers at the time WISHED the finished products looked like. I can't recall reading or hearing anything that said they'd look exactly like Hasbros. I'm struggling to figure out the negativity or why some people seem to be making it a mission to spend exorbitant amounts of time arguing and trashing an as-yet released product on an old message board forum. I mean, I realize this is a sort of immature hobby to begin with and maybe my tastes and priorities have changed over the decades, but it seems pointless to be so incessantly negative. Amen!
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Post by guster on Apr 9, 2021 10:38:55 GMT -5
I for the life of me don't understand this critique. Hasbros had all sorts of random definition and "over-sculpted" features. I feel like we're not looking at the same figures. Also, these aren't the finished products...they're hand painted prototypes. So there isn't going to be a finished sheen to this. IF you think the Ryder and Hawkins protos look anything like any of the above, we just have two different sets of eyes. I hope you buy them and are happy with them!
Nah, my eyes are fine as evidenced by people agreeing with me and not you....you're in the minority on this one bro.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 9, 2021 11:18:11 GMT -5
That Brian Myers head looks off. Especially when compared to Matt’s. Maybe in the style of Hasbro where it’s a bit cartoony and less lifelike then it kinda works but I don’t think that is what he’s going for.
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Post by CM Poor on Apr 9, 2021 12:56:12 GMT -5
Love watching two sides try to change one another's opinion on an action figure.
Broski's head looks dead on balls accurate. To me, that's what sets it apart from the Hasbros. Whether or not these are better quality that what Mattel put out, a Hasbro Ryder figure released between 1990 and 1994 would have probably looked a lot more similar to Mattel's offering from the neck up than this does. I feel like there are a handful of Retros that sit really well on a shelf alongside the Hasbros (at least the ones from each line that I have).
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Post by mrh on Apr 10, 2021 1:07:44 GMT -5
I think the Myers looks good -- and closer to the Hasbros, will look great if they can give him the sheen.
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Post by onlymoc21 on Apr 10, 2021 3:41:20 GMT -5
I think the Myers looks good -- and closer to the Hasbros, will look great if they can give him the sheen. I agree Myers looks closer to the original Hasbros just based on the face sculp and jumper action. Cardona is over detailed and as strange as it sounds that actually works against a retro style figure and I think that is taking away from the over all feel. Hasbros were basic representations of the wrestlers. The detail on Cardona is elite/ultimate level with gear and tattoos etc but as I said I think that works against what they are trying to achieve.
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 10, 2021 10:21:12 GMT -5
I think the Myers looks good -- and closer to the Hasbros, will look great if they can give him the sheen. I agree Myers looks closer to the original Hasbros just based on the face sculp and jumper action. Cardona is over detailed and as strange as it sounds that actually works against a retro style figure and I think that is taking away from the over all feel. Hasbros were basic representations of the wrestlers. The detail on Cardona is elite/ultimate level with gear and tattoos etc but as I said I think that works against what they are trying to achieve. I agree. Look at other high deco characters by hasbro like bam bam.and compare that to the cardona. Cardona is too sharp on the details
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 10, 2021 10:25:53 GMT -5
Yeah but if you’re asking people to pay “under $40” for an action figure then it should be detailed and lifelike to justify that price tag. I ain’t gonna wanna pay $40 for something that looks like a $10 fig.
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Post by hulkjoegan on Apr 10, 2021 10:41:52 GMT -5
Yeah but if you’re asking people to pay “under $40” for an action figure then it should be detailed and lifelike to justify that price tag. I ain’t gonna wanna pay $40 for something that looks like a $10 fig. I ain’t gonna wanna pay $40 for any figure 😂
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Post by onlymoc21 on Apr 10, 2021 12:59:00 GMT -5
Yeah but if you’re asking people to pay “under $40” for an action figure then it should be detailed and lifelike to justify that price tag. I ain’t gonna wanna pay $40 for something that looks like a $10 fig. True, but Zombie is the one saying these will blend in with the WWF Hasbro line, I am simply pointing out and offering a perspective of why the figure in particular is not sitting right with potential customers. If anything is should be part of Zombies marketing to outright say this is how Hasbro/Retro would/are be produced in 2021. Which it is a perfect representation of that and offer an explanation for the price point. However as stated he has not done that, he is saying he is picking up we’re Hasbro left off.
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Post by onlymoc21 on Apr 10, 2021 12:59:29 GMT -5
I agree Myers looks closer to the original Hasbros just based on the face sculp and jumper action. Cardona is over detailed and as strange as it sounds that actually works against a retro style figure and I think that is taking away from the over all feel. Hasbros were basic representations of the wrestlers. The detail on Cardona is elite/ultimate level with gear and tattoos etc but as I said I think that works against what they are trying to achieve. I agree. Look at other high deco characters by hasbro like bam bam.and compare that to the cardona. Cardona is too sharp on the details Perfect example dude, well put.
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Post by newgenandy on Apr 10, 2021 13:18:47 GMT -5
Yeah but if you’re asking people to pay “under $40” for an action figure then it should be detailed and lifelike to justify that price tag. I ain’t gonna wanna pay $40 for something that looks like a $10 fig. True, but Zombie is the one saying these will blend in with the WWF Hasbro line, I am simply pointing out and offering a perspective of why the figure in particular is not sitting right with potential customers. If anything is should be part of Zombies marketing to outright say this is how Hasbro/Retro would/are be produced in 2021. Which it is a perfect representation of that and offer an explanation for the price point. However as stated he has not done that, he is saying he is picking up we’re Hasbro left off. Exactly not knocking the figs at all. I’ve said on here and to zombie on twitter as figures they look great. But I’ve also said these won’t sit well on the shelf next to hasbro figures, and for that matter neither do Mattel’s retros and I don’t think chellas will either. Imo the reason hasbro figures are so fondly remembered - more so than even ljns or attitude era jakks (both released during more successful eras in the wrestling business) is because there’s a certain ‘something’ to them that’s intangible. If I tried to put my finger on it I’d guess it’s a combination of the scaling and proportions, the plastic used, the manufacturing process, even down to the paint. As a line they’re perfect (some figures better than others - flair is a bit off to say the least). But as a whole they cannot be touched. My 2 boys who love wrestling choose to play with them over tubs of Mattel and jakks. My 15 month old loves picking them up and smashing them together. There’s something incredible about them.
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Post by onlymoc21 on Apr 10, 2021 13:39:39 GMT -5
True, but Zombie is the one saying these will blend in with the WWF Hasbro line, I am simply pointing out and offering a perspective of why the figure in particular is not sitting right with potential customers. If anything is should be part of Zombies marketing to outright say this is how Hasbro/Retro would/are be produced in 2021. Which it is a perfect representation of that and offer an explanation for the price point. However as stated he has not done that, he is saying he is picking up we’re Hasbro left off. Exactly not knocking the figs at all. I’ve said on here and to zombie on twitter as figures they look great. But I’ve also said these won’t sit well on the shelf next to hasbro figures, and for that matter neither do Mattel’s retros and I don’t think chellas will either. Imo the reason hasbro figures are so fondly remembered - more so than even ljns or attitude era jakks (both released during more successful eras in the wrestling business) is because there’s a certain ‘something’ to them that’s intangible. If I tried to put my finger on it I’d guess it’s a combination of the scaling and proportions, the plastic used, the manufacturing process, even down to the paint. As a line they’re perfect (some figures better than others - flair is a bit off to say the least). But as a whole they cannot be touched. My 2 boys who love wrestling choose to play with them over tubs of Mattel and jakks. My 15 month old loves picking them up and smashing them together. There’s something incredible about them. You have nailed it dude. When all is said and done Hasbros ring true the old saying “ often imitated never duplicated“ and anything that has been developed or will be developed simple fills a void. Then it just comes done to preference. I am all for Mattel now with the announcement and before the retro line stoped, I have a complete collection, again for the fact they have the best shot of staying true to Hasbro's, from design, to actions, to packaging. I don’t think with Mattel back in the game and with Bill and Steve heading up the line (which was not the case before) Zombie can make any clam that he will be in any running with them. My view currently, You have Mattel as WWE, and Chella and Zombie are going to either be WCW and ECW.
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Post by britishbrickfan on Apr 10, 2021 21:35:05 GMT -5
I'm still disappointed that ZST is not allowing international collectors to have a fair chance at buying these figures....
guess I'll stick to ordering entire lines of Mattel's Retros from RSC, and direct orders from Chella for figures like Dynamite/Hayabusa etc in future
oh well
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