mrh
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Post by mrh on Apr 11, 2021 0:25:28 GMT -5
Exactly not knocking the figs at all. I’ve said on here and to zombie on twitter as figures they look great. But I’ve also said these won’t sit well on the shelf next to hasbro figures, and for that matter neither do Mattel’s retros and I don’t think chellas will either. Imo the reason hasbro figures are so fondly remembered - more so than even ljns or attitude era jakks (both released during more successful eras in the wrestling business) is because there’s a certain ‘something’ to them that’s intangible. If I tried to put my finger on it I’d guess it’s a combination of the scaling and proportions, the plastic used, the manufacturing process, even down to the paint. As a line they’re perfect (some figures better than others - flair is a bit off to say the least). But as a whole they cannot be touched. My 2 boys who love wrestling choose to play with them over tubs of Mattel and jakks. My 15 month old loves picking them up and smashing them together. There’s something incredible about them. You have nailed it dude. When all is said and done Hasbros ring true the old saying “ often imitated never duplicated“ and anything that has been developed or will be developed simple fills a void. Then it just comes done to preference. I am all for Mattel now with the announcement and before the retro line stoped, I have a complete collection, again for the fact they have the best shot of staying true to Hasbro's, from design, to actions, to packaging. I don’t think with Mattel back in the game and with Bill and Steve heading up the line (which was not the case before) Zombie can make any clam that he will be in any running with them. My view currently, You have Mattel as WWE, and Chella and Zombie are going to either be WCW and ECW.
Exactly -- I think this is SO important. We aren't saying the figures are bad. They are GREAT.
We ARE saying they don't fit in with the Hasbros; if you don't mind that, fine. I/we are happy for you. But I don't understand why we are constantly attacked for saying what even the figures' supporters admit.
Yes -- maybe they are worth the 40 dollars and look better and more expensive than the Hasbros. But that also means they don't really fit in with the Hasbros
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Post by casanova on Apr 11, 2021 1:55:59 GMT -5
I'm still disappointed that ZST is not allowing international collectors to have a fair chance at buying these figures.... guess I'll stick to ordering entire lines of Mattel's Retros from RSC, and direct orders from Chella for figures like Dynamite/Hayabusa etc in future oh well Just because there is no information yet, it doesn’t mean these will be US exclusives.🤷🏼♂️
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on Apr 11, 2021 3:43:33 GMT -5
He seems to continuely avoid talking about international availability and comes across hostile about it. If he just put out a statement saying something like "International availability is being conisidered and as soon as I have a definite answer, I will make a statement". It seems to me he already has his answer though, and is avoiding the backlash.
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onlymoc21
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Post by onlymoc21 on Apr 11, 2021 4:28:50 GMT -5
He seems to continuely avoid talking about international availability and comes across hostile about it. If he just put out a statement saying something like "International availability is being conisidered and as soon as I have a definite answer, I will make a statement". It seems to me he already has his answer though, and is avoiding the backlash. 100% and as we all know he has friends and they have contacts (ringside) that can easily accommodate shipping internationally for Zombie. It realistically should not be as big an issue as he is making out based on that alone. What it all comes down to is his profit margins and what will make him the most money and allow him to keep most of the profit after paying costs and talent etc that’s the business side of it, but he also has stated that this is a passion project and a lot of people world wide share that passion. But I have been vocal on this issue because if looking at it as a business, he is making a product with global appeal, and by not catering to it is leaving money on the table that the secondary market will profit from, and to be frank I think an issue that is huge with Zombie is clarity, and he has already provided false information in that he would offer a two week window and anyone who wanted access to these figures could have access to them. Well he has already backed off both of those, which to me is a red flag because he can change his approach at any point.
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Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 11, 2021 8:52:34 GMT -5
He seems to continuely avoid talking about international availability and comes across hostile about it. If he just put out a statement saying something like "International availability is being conisidered and as soon as I have a definite answer, I will make a statement". It seems to me he already has his answer though, and is avoiding the backlash. The guy's being so passive aggressive to potential customers.
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Post by CookPassBabtridge on Apr 11, 2021 9:03:09 GMT -5
To be fair he did post this a few days ago. (if it appears, how do you embed a tweet?)
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on Apr 11, 2021 11:05:07 GMT -5
Admittedly I don't use Twitter, so I missed that. Thanks for sharing. Still comes across passive aggressive imo. But maybe that's just him not putting on his toy maker hat instead of his dealer hat?
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Post by casanova on Apr 11, 2021 16:50:23 GMT -5
To be fair he did post this a few days ago. (if it appears, how do you embed a tweet?) Bummer to read that Germany is out. Also the reasoning is a little weird. He really needs to just look for a shipping supplier that doesn’t charge any VAT upfront. FedEx for example. Anyway, still looking forward to these.
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RedDevil
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Post by RedDevil on Apr 11, 2021 18:33:07 GMT -5
I hope he gives us at least like a week’s notice on the final countries he can ship to before the pre-orders start, so I have a bit of time to organise a US contact who might be willing to receive them for me and send them on to the UK - given the limited number of figures being produced then there might not be long to get things together if the UK is out as a direct option.
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mrh
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Post by mrh on Apr 11, 2021 22:08:54 GMT -5
Personally, I think Zombie is kind of a jerk as a human being. BUT -- I think he has been totally fair and transparent on shipping these overseas. It's a business -- if it's not financially viable for him to sell to the UK due to taxes, etc. -- how is that his fault? Why would you be getting angry at HIM? Do you want him to lose money so you could get it?
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Post by Burger Lad on Apr 12, 2021 9:58:39 GMT -5
Zombie just announced Brooklyn Brawler aka Steve Lombardi to the line (or should that be the other way round!)
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Post by LA Times on Apr 12, 2021 10:35:38 GMT -5
Zombie just announced Brooklyn Brawler aka Steve Lombardi to the line (or should that be the other way round!) Great addition for those who want Hulkamania era or new generation guys. 👍
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Post by onlymoc21 on Apr 12, 2021 10:43:19 GMT -5
Zombie just announced Brooklyn Brawler aka Steve Lombardi to the line (or should that be the other way round!) Great signing and this will turn out so cool, looking forward to seeing drawing of this and hopefully a prototype soon.
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Post by hulkjoegan on Apr 12, 2021 13:21:55 GMT -5
He’s certain got a few great characters coming....well and some meh....but the good ones are GREAT ones!
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britishbrickfan
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Post by britishbrickfan on Apr 12, 2021 14:31:19 GMT -5
wow..... Brawler.... another job guy getting a figure
and Zombie's explanation for not dealing with the UK (or EU for that matter) is based on VAT? why is he assuming his packages would arrive damaged? if he used a reputable courier, he'd be able to reclaim the cost of damaged/lost items with no hassle
just shoving a package in the postbox hoping it arrives isn't going to warrant any refund claim, but using a proper courier organisation would do
sounds to me like he simply can't be bothered and will happily exclude a large international market
oh well, whatever he doesn't deliver, Mattel and Chella clearly will do
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Post by onlymoc21 on Apr 12, 2021 14:54:34 GMT -5
wow..... Brawler.... another job guy getting a figure and Zombie's explanation for not dealing with the UK (or EU for that matter) is based on VAT? why is he assuming his packages would arrive damaged? if he used a reputable courier, he'd be able to reclaim the cost of damaged/lost items with no hassle just shoving a package in the postbox hoping it arrives isn't going to warrant any refund claim, but using a proper courier organisation would do sounds to me like he simply can't be bothered and will happily exclude a large international market oh well, whatever he doesn't deliver, Mattel and Chella clearly will do Very true, is he producing a cool product yes 100%, so much so that I would like to be afforded the opportunity to buy it lol, but this attitude he has developed to being the best doing it, I don’t know what he is basing it on. There is an awful lot of flaws in his sales structure, so much so he is not the best at anything currently. He is developing a niche product, to a niche target audience even if he was selling globally. It is just mind boggling at this stage why he can’t cater to people internationally. All his competitors can. But like you stated there is going to be enough other products out there that will receive my income and custom.
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oldschoolfool
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Post by oldschoolfool on Apr 12, 2021 15:00:25 GMT -5
A Lombardi retro figure, without the brawler gimmick I'm assuming...yeah, that'll put a lot of butts in seats. Good for people who want it I guess but, c'mon.
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Post by LA Times on Apr 12, 2021 15:24:00 GMT -5
A Lombardi retro figure, without the brawler gimmick I'm assuming...yeah, that'll put a lot of butts in seats. Good for people who want it I guess but, c'mon. Even if he cant be called Brooklyn Brawler on the packaging, I dont think there is anything that would prevent the figure from wearing a ripped shirt that says New York on it and jeans.
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Post by master_fuji on Apr 12, 2021 16:28:46 GMT -5
wow..... Brawler.... another job guy getting a figure and Zombie's explanation for not dealing with the UK (or EU for that matter) is based on VAT? why is he assuming his packages would arrive damaged? if he used a reputable courier, he'd be able to reclaim the cost of damaged/lost items with no hassle just shoving a package in the postbox hoping it arrives isn't going to warrant any refund claim, but using a proper courier organisation would do sounds to me like he simply can't be bothered and will happily exclude a large international market oh well, whatever he doesn't deliver, Mattel and Chella clearly will do VAT has got absolutely nothing to do with damaged packages. Are you from the UK?? Since the start of the year the UK has required 20% VAT to be applied at the point of sale to all imports from the US (and others) up to £135 value. US based sellers are required register and pay HMRC the VAT applied to goods sent to the UK. In this instance, Zombie would need to charge UK buyers for the item, the international shipping + add 20% of the total on the top. He would then have to pay the 20% to HMRC in the UK. Any business sellers who are not doing this will likely end up having packages withheld from delivery in the long term (Ringside?). If you're trying to run a proper business then you don't cut corners on stuff like this. Some folks need to realise that the UK's position is totally different than it was. When you can just sell out the same amount of products in the US and other easily accessible countries, you wonder why a business would bother with the hassle of the UK.
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Post by oldschoolfool on Apr 12, 2021 16:47:04 GMT -5
A Lombardi retro figure, without the brawler gimmick I'm assuming...yeah, that'll put a lot of butts in seats. Good for people who want it I guess but, c'mon. Even if he cant be called Brooklyn Brawler on the packaging, I dont think there is anything that would prevent the figure from wearing a ripped shirt that says New York on it and jeans. Good point
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