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Post by RSCTom on Feb 1, 2021 17:59:04 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, who do folks think on the 'junior' level could have actually won that match without it just eventually sputtering and being worthless? Just anyone other than someone you've seen for more than 5 years? I don't really understand the reasoning behind the disdain other than someone's favorite not being chosen.
10 years ago I used to go through this with Christian and I was regularly pissed and annoyed he wasn't booked stronger and that Cena left no room for anyone else to grow but as I get older I feel like that was kind of just personal preference since he was a favorite. No one really is on Cena's level or Rock's level or Hogan's level at the moment, they may never be. Do people really think Alistair Black or Angel Garza winning a Royal Rumble match out of the blue would completely change things and re-up interest here for non die-hards in a way that is actually compelling?
I get that you like them but the writing is just too regularly terrible for that to work, and even if it wasn't I'm not sure how it would work without still considering the older talent. You can't take them out behind the barn and shoot them if they are still good and still believable ass-kickers. The balance just needs to be better and the writing needs to be better and only one of those is possible with what wrestling has become.
Am I missing something?
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Post by CM Tusk on Feb 2, 2021 3:06:02 GMT -5
I don’t understand the “he didn’t need it!” take. Almost 75% of Royal Rumble winners were already established stars when they won the Rumble. It doesn’t need to be a platform to make a new talent and throw them into the title picture every single year. Out of the guys who would haven’t been main event era that could of won, there’s only a couple of cases where it would have worked. Guys like Ali and Ricochet obviously wouldn’t make sense. Riddle or Priest maybe but neither guy needs to be in the title picture right now. Big E is the only argument I can see being made, but they clearly only have IC plans for him for the foreseeable future. Keith Lee would have made sense had he been in it, but he’s been in the RAW main event scene for the last few months. So he technically didn’t need it either.
It’ll be fine. The story is Edge coming back and showing that he’s still got it. Letting him get in one more meaningful title reign since he was forced to retire as champion. Then when the time comes, beating Edge for the championship will do more for someone than a Rumble win would.
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Post by LK3 on Feb 2, 2021 4:23:50 GMT -5
I don’t understand the “he didn’t need it!” take. Almost 75% of Royal Rumble winners were already established stars when they won the Rumble. It doesn’t need to be a platform to make a new talent and throw them into the title picture every single year. Out of the guys who would haven’t been main event era that could of won, there’s only a couple of cases where it would have worked. Guys like Ali and Ricochet obviously wouldn’t make sense. Riddle or Priest maybe but neither guy needs to be in the title picture right now. Big E is the only argument I can see being made, but they clearly only have IC plans for him for the foreseeable future. Keith Lee would have made sense had he been in it, but he’s been in the RAW main event scene for the last few months. So he technically didn’t need it either. It’ll be fine. The story is Edge coming back and showing that he’s still got it. Letting him get in one more meaningful title reign since he was forced to retire as champion. Then when the time comes, beating Edge for the championship will do more for someone than a Rumble win would. Agreed. How often does winning the Rumble actually elevate someone as a main event player? Just going from my time watching I would say... Benoit, Batista, Mysterio (3 in a row coincidentally), Roman (idk, maybe for arguments sake?), and McIntyre. Benoit and Mysterio were already well established names anyway, and Roman was going to the top regardless. Del Rio and Shinsuke were winners that it would’ve helped, but didn’t really pan out. SHOULD it be used to elevate guys to the main event? Sure, sometimes. I don’t think this was the year for that. Is there anyone even in that position right now? I don’t think there is. They’d be more likely to end up like ADR or Shinsuke than Drew or Batista. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Feb 2, 2021 4:39:14 GMT -5
I don’t understand the “he didn’t need it!” take. Almost 75% of Royal Rumble winners were already established stars when they won the Rumble. It doesn’t need to be a platform to make a new talent and throw them into the title picture every single year. Out of the guys who would haven’t been main event era that could of won, there’s only a couple of cases where it would have worked. Guys like Ali and Ricochet obviously wouldn’t make sense. Riddle or Priest maybe but neither guy needs to be in the title picture right now. Big E is the only argument I can see being made, but they clearly only have IC plans for him for the foreseeable future. Keith Lee would have made sense had he been in it, but he’s been in the RAW main event scene for the last few months. So he technically didn’t need it either. It’ll be fine. The story is Edge coming back and showing that he’s still got it. Letting him get in one more meaningful title reign since he was forced to retire as champion. Then when the time comes, beating Edge for the championship will do more for someone than a Rumble win would. Agreed. How often does winning the Rumble actually elevate someone as a main event player? Just going from my time watching I would say... Benoit, Batista, Mysterio (3 in a row coincidentally), Roman (idk, maybe for arguments sake?), and McIntyre. Benoit and Mysterio were already well established names anyway, and Roman was going to the top regardless. Del Rio and Shinsuke were winners that it would’ve helped, but didn’t really pan out. SHOULD it be used to elevate guys to the main event? Sure, sometimes. I don’t think this was the year for that. Is there anyone even in that position right now? I don’t think there is. They’d be more likely to end up like ADR or Shinsuke than Drew or Batista. It’s weird because people wanted multi time champions Bryan or AJ or Rollins to win this year. They wanted Edge to win last year. They wanted Jericho in 2012. They cheered Undertaker in 2007. They claim Flair winning in his 40s is one of the best Rumble moments in history. The Rumble is meant to set up a major match at Wrestlemania. It’s not meant to always build new stars. |
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Post by Liquid Swordsman on Feb 2, 2021 5:45:57 GMT -5
Just to clarify a bit from what I mentioned before. I have absolutely no issue with Edge taking that spot. I'm actually on board if they're considering either McIntyre or Roman feud at this point. The Bianca win was great too.
Outside of Edge and Bianca, the issue I had with the Rumble still kind of left us in the dark on what refreshing Mania matchups we get to see and I guess shifted the blame towards them not pushing new talent. But the more I realize and read most of the responses, a lot of you do make good points.
I guess my real complaint was the Royal Rumble buildup surrounding Mania and not the PPV itself. There's still more time to fix and spice things up, so I probably just need to let the stories play out.
I still think KO should've at least got his moment with the title tonight though. If he didn't prove himself years ago, he dam well did it with his program with Roman. After that lost though, I can't think of anything else WWE will do that'll benefit him other than just being the KO show funny guy.
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