Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on May 26, 2021 17:37:49 GMT -5
I can't believe I've never heard about the Collision in Korea before. Hogan knew what was up. 2 Cold Scorpio's story about kicking Hawk's ass was hilarious. It's one of those stories people tell that make them look like a bad ass but you can't help but feel there's exaggerations or things that are being left out, and then it gets immediately followed with the Scott Norton explanation lol. I thought Scorpio came off looking like an a-hole bragging about beating up and contemplating killing a guy who is no longer with us and unable to tell his side of the story. 2 Cold came across like a cowardly bitch honestly. He had a fight with Hawk and his solution was that he wanted to murder him with a weapon after. |
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Post by shenmue on May 26, 2021 20:35:03 GMT -5
Last two episodes have been scraping the barrel a little, no talent dime a dozen death match druggie who happened to rob a bank in comedic fail fashion and a trip to North Korea where nothing that bad actually happens except two wrestlers arguing.
Running out of ideas it seems, warrior this week who has been talked about for years, yeah he was a prick on drugs and not incredibly talented despite his popularity, we already know.
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on May 27, 2021 17:09:22 GMT -5
Last two episodes have been scraping the barrel a little, no talent dime a dozen death match druggie who happened to rob a bank in comedic fail fashion and a trip to North Korea where nothing that bad actually happens except two wrestlers arguing. Running out of ideas it seems, warrior this week who has been talked about for years, yeah he was a prick on drugs and not incredibly talented despite his popularity, we already know. That's how I feel about the plane ride from hell. |
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Post by hitmancmedge on May 27, 2021 17:10:47 GMT -5
Last two episodes have been scraping the barrel a little, no talent dime a dozen death match druggie who happened to rob a bank in comedic fail fashion and a trip to North Korea where nothing that bad actually happens except two wrestlers arguing. Running out of ideas it seems, warrior this week who has been talked about for years, yeah he was a prick on drugs and not incredibly talented despite his popularity, we already know. That's how I feel about the plane ride from hell. I feel like we have heard all the plane ride from hell stories countless times....it was bad and a bunch of adults acting like children but at the end of the day it wasn’t a big deal |
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Post by sonstuds on May 27, 2021 17:31:47 GMT -5
a trip to North Korea where nothing that bad actually happens except two wrestlers arguing. I dunno, sounds like Scott Norton almost got executed. |
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Post by hitmancmedge on May 27, 2021 18:46:47 GMT -5
From people online who got early screeners it sounds like tonight is the first true hit piece of DSOTR. Apparently very little positive is said about Warrior. Should be an interesting watch.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 27, 2021 20:18:31 GMT -5
A lot of people bitched about WWE's DVD on Warrior and years later the A&E documentary on Macho Man....Ill be interested if they give the same negative reviews of this or if it gets a pass because its not a WWE production
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Post by Self-Savior on May 27, 2021 21:13:02 GMT -5
I didn't think it was too bad. I wish they delved a little bit into his disastrous WCW run in 1998 considering they had Eric in the interview segments. But, at least that's what 83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff is for.
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Post by CM Tusk on May 28, 2021 3:23:32 GMT -5
Based on how it sounds, it wasn’t that bad.
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on May 28, 2021 6:23:24 GMT -5
First 2 Cold Scorpio, and now Jake The Snake. If this fake added drama carries on I'm probably not going to continue watching.
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Post by hitmancmedge on May 28, 2021 9:50:01 GMT -5
I just don’t understand how they let blantant lies into the show. That Jake/Warrior feud was never gonna be for the title and it wasn’t gonna lead to Jake becoming world champion. It was absolutely gonna be a big feud and a house show headliner but Warrior had lost the belt nine months before at that point.
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Post by jason1980s on May 28, 2021 10:17:37 GMT -5
I just don’t understand how they let blantant lies into the show. That Jake/Warrior feud was never gonna be for the title and it wasn’t gonna lead to Jake becoming world champion. It was absolutely gonna be a big feud and a house show headliner but Warrior had lost the belt nine months before at that point. It's so hard to distinguish what guys remember and what they imagine but believe. Some guys, Jake included can remember the smallest details about the smallest towns or shows they worked but when it comes to big time the facts are all messed up. Some have suggested "championship run" just meant a big run against Warrior. Also, this reminds me of the LOD episode where Animal said Hawk went to Japan with Sasake and that Animal felt hurt because he, Animal, would never have another partner and they showed the image of he and Crush which was funny. The main speaker in the episode and the show something that proves him wrong. In Animal's defense he probably did block that out of his mind and he didn't last much longer in WWF to have any partners. |
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Post by MKSavage on May 28, 2021 10:50:16 GMT -5
I just don’t understand how they let blantant lies into the show. That Jake/Warrior feud was never gonna be for the title and it wasn’t gonna lead to Jake becoming world champion. It was absolutely gonna be a big feud and a house show headliner but Warrior had lost the belt nine months before at that point. It's so hard to distinguish what guys remember and what they imagine but believe. Some guys, Jake included can remember the smallest details about the smallest towns or shows they worked but when it comes to big time the facts are all messed up. Some have suggested "championship run" just meant a big run against Warrior. Also, this reminds me of the LOD episode where Animal said Hawk went to Japan with Sasake and that Animal felt hurt because he, Animal, would never have another partner and they showed the image of he and Crush which was funny. The main speaker in the episode and the show something that proves him wrong. In Animal's defense he probably did block that out of his mind and he didn't last much longer in WWF to have any partners. I kind of took what he was saying as if he got the run with Warrior and it did well, then he would be viewed as the top heel and could have gotten a run with the title - not necessarily that he would beat Warrior for the title. |
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Post by hitmancmedge on May 28, 2021 11:09:08 GMT -5
It's so hard to distinguish what guys remember and what they imagine but believe. Some guys, Jake included can remember the smallest details about the smallest towns or shows they worked but when it comes to big time the facts are all messed up. Some have suggested "championship run" just meant a big run against Warrior. Also, this reminds me of the LOD episode where Animal said Hawk went to Japan with Sasake and that Animal felt hurt because he, Animal, would never have another partner and they showed the image of he and Crush which was funny. The main speaker in the episode and the show something that proves him wrong. In Animal's defense he probably did block that out of his mind and he didn't last much longer in WWF to have any partners. I kind of took what he was saying as if he got the run with Warrior and it did well, then he would be viewed as the top heel and could have gotten a run with the title - not necessarily that he would beat Warrior for the title. I mean Warrior leaving didn’t change Jake’s position. He remained in that same exact spot headlining the B house shows just with Savage instead of Warrior. |
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Post by rowdy1971 on May 28, 2021 12:20:20 GMT -5
I was never a Warrior fan but all these people saying how horrible in the ring he was, what the hell did they want Warrior to do? Float over headlocks, arm drag take downs, whatever else? Warrior was a muscle guy who got away doing the things he did because it worked for the gimmick. I don't see people saying how bad The Road Warriors were in the ring. They did the same thing. Just over powered people and ran over them. They couldn't work either. But god forbid you say the LOD couldn't work. Their promos were a lot better, but again, just two bullies in the ring. Kerry Von Erich wasn't a great worker, Hogan (of course), and I'm sure we can rattle off a few more that were pushed to main event status. Sid Vicious wasn't exactly setting the wrestling ring on fire with his abilities, but Warrior is the one who gets crucified the most.
I think it has a lot to do with jealousy. Warrior was in the right place at the right time. Now in 1996? Yeah, Warrior was old news. I don't think there was any way he could re-invent himself to sustain the next decade considering where wrestling style went.
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Post by MKSavage on May 28, 2021 12:33:31 GMT -5
I kind of took what he was saying as if he got the run with Warrior and it did well, then he would be viewed as the top heel and could have gotten a run with the title - not necessarily that he would beat Warrior for the title. I mean Warrior leaving didn’t change Jake’s position. He remained in that same exact spot headlining the B house shows just with Savage instead of Warrior. It could all just be in Jake's mind that if he worked with Warrior and did well then the next step was a feud with Hogan, and the belt. I was never a Warrior fan but all these people saying how horrible in the ring he was, what the hell did they want Warrior to do? Float over headlocks, arm drag take downs, whatever else? Warrior was a muscle guy who got away doing the things he did because it worked for the gimmick. I don't see people saying how bad The Road Warriors were in the ring. They did the same thing. Just over powered people and ran over them. They couldn't work either. But god forbid you say the LOD couldn't work. Their promos were a lot better, but again, just two bullies in the ring. Kerry Von Erich wasn't a great worker, Hogan (of course), and I'm sure we can rattle off a few more that were pushed to main event status. Sid Vicious wasn't exactly setting the wrestling ring on fire with his abilities, but Warrior is the one who gets crucified the most. I think it has a lot to do with jealousy. Warrior was in the right place at the right time. Now in 1996? Yeah, Warrior was old news. I don't think there was any way he could re-invent himself to sustain the next decade considering where wrestling style went. Yeah, I kind of agree with this, it seems that people crap on Warrior because he wasn't the nicest guy (and in many ways he seems like a pain to deal with) and not the greatest worker but received a great push. It seems that Cornette's characterization of the guy is based off of working with him in 1996 and stories that Heenan had told about him. One of the things I disagree with Cornette about, is he seemed to be so angry that Warrior no-sold finishes, which he saw as disrespect to the business and to the wrestlers. But, a number of big name guys no-sold finishes, Hogan for sure, even Undertaker. But Cornette doesn't seem to be as angry with them about that as he is with Warrior. And you're right about Sid and LOD. I know I have seen shoot interviews with people that worked with LOD, and they said that they didn't like working with them because they were too rough and not always protective of their opponents bodies. Same thing with the Steiners. |
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Post by The Real Chillary on May 28, 2021 13:13:00 GMT -5
I was never a Warrior fan but all these people saying how horrible in the ring he was, what the hell did they want Warrior to do? Float over headlocks, arm drag take downs, whatever else? Warrior was a muscle guy who got away doing the things he did because it worked for the gimmick. I don't see people saying how bad The Road Warriors were in the ring. They did the same thing. Just over powered people and ran over them. They couldn't work either. But god forbid you say the LOD couldn't work. Their promos were a lot better, but again, just two bullies in the ring. Kerry Von Erich wasn't a great worker, Hogan (of course), and I'm sure we can rattle off a few more that were pushed to main event status. Sid Vicious wasn't exactly setting the wrestling ring on fire with his abilities, but Warrior is the one who gets crucified the most. I think it has a lot to do with jealousy. Warrior was in the right place at the right time. Now in 1996? Yeah, Warrior was old news. I don't think there was any way he could re-invent himself to sustain the next decade considering where wrestling style went. I'd take 1000 Young Bucks matches over a single LOD match. Anyone that no sells and roughs up multiple opponents isn't worth anything in the world of wrestling IMO. |
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Post by K5 on May 28, 2021 15:06:06 GMT -5
like or dislike of warrior aside, I felt the dark side episode didn't have half the depth that the A&E biopic did. that said, was cool to have some different perspectives shared between the two takes on warrior.
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Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on May 28, 2021 19:18:47 GMT -5
I personally thought the whole "he cheated on his wife" thing was a bit of a low blow, considering probably 99% of wrestlers from the 80s and 90s did exactly that I was never a Warrior fan but all these people saying how horrible in the ring he was, what the hell did they want Warrior to do? Float over headlocks, arm drag take downs, whatever else? Warrior was a muscle guy who got away doing the things he did because it worked for the gimmick. I don't see people saying how bad The Road Warriors were in the ring. They did the same thing. Just over powered people and ran over them. They couldn't work either. But god forbid you say the LOD couldn't work. Their promos were a lot better, but again, just two bullies in the ring. Kerry Von Erich wasn't a great worker, Hogan (of course), and I'm sure we can rattle off a few more that were pushed to main event status. Sid Vicious wasn't exactly setting the wrestling ring on fire with his abilities, but Warrior is the one who gets crucified the most. I think it has a lot to do with jealousy. Warrior was in the right place at the right time. Now in 1996? Yeah, Warrior was old news. I don't think there was any way he could re-invent himself to sustain the next decade considering where wrestling style went. Warrior was doing a great job of reinventing himself in 1996 honestly, I just think we never got to see it play out all the way due to how short the run was. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 29, 2021 0:56:38 GMT -5
After watching the A&E Warrior Biography and the Dark Side of the Ring Warrior episode, I feel that we got to hear everything we needed.
I am glad that Dark Side of the Ring had Warrior's first wife to tell us everything from that era of his life. It was neat, and I legit could tell she wasn't lying or making anything up. She really did love Jim, and it seems she still does to this day.
Having guys like Jim Ross, Jim Cornette and Eric Bischoff on there seemed ridiculous. None of those guys were around Warrior for his 1987 - 1992 WWF run. How could they really know what happened that time frame in the WWF when all three were working for WCW during those years??
Warrior does get a bad calling for saying how bad of a worker he was. He wasn't paid to go out and wrestle like Dean Malenko, he was out there to do clotheslines, shoulder blocks, press slams and splashes and get the 1, 2, 3 and have the fans go home screaming and happy over it.
And honestly, at the end of the day, I would remember Ultimate Warrior for his look than I would for watching someone have these great reversal and moves in a match.
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