HuskerTornado
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Post by HuskerTornado on May 29, 2021 1:55:20 GMT -5
About to watch both this and A&E's (which I heard also has some asinine shots taken at him). After watching the A&E Warrior Biography and the Dark Side of the Ring Warrior episode, I feel that we got to hear everything we needed. I am glad that Dark Side of the Ring had Warrior's first wife to tell us everything from that era of his life. It was neat, and I legit could tell she wasn't lying or making anything up. She really did love Jim, and it seems she still does to this day. Having guys like Jim Ross, Jim Cornette and Eric Bischoff on there seemed ridiculous. None of those guys were around Warrior for his 1987 - 1992 WWF run. How could they really know what happened that time frame in the WWF when all three were working for WCW during those years?? Warrior does get a bad calling for saying how bad of a worker he was. He wasn't paid to go out and wrestle like Dean Malenko, he was out there to do clotheslines, shoulder blocks, press slams and splashes and get the 1, 2, 3 and have the fans go home screaming and happy over it. And honestly, at the end of the day, I would remember Ultimate Warrior for his look than I would for watching someone have these great reversal and moves in a match. Cornette and JR are completely blinded when it comes to Warrior. Their podcasts did episodes on him in the past year and were some of the most bizarre and denigrating discussions I've heard about anyone, including serial killers. Cornette is a goof a lot of the time and seems to have no idea that character and charisma are pinnacle in getting over. No credit ever for that, he seems to think Vince pulled a magic trick in regards to Warrior, despite the fact he was huge in WCCW and doing car commercials in Dallas as Dingo Warrior. It's a really odd take that he "couldn't talk". Those same people will praise Savage and Hogan's similarly manic promos. JR seems unable to get past that apparently Warrior used curse words in front of Linda McMahon...as if women are incapable of hearing how people talk? Seeing both in the intro of the DSotR episode, I can tell where it is going. And his first wife...she tried to get a book published after they divorced full of bs that he was a gay prostitute and all this, zi believe she ended up selling her stories to the Inquirer or some trash mag like that. Maybe she has changed, I guess I'll find out. Everyone has flaws and no one is a perfect angel, but a lot of stuff has been so taken out of context or is just petty professional jealousy over the years. It really is sad. A shame so many guys like Animal and Hawk, Kamala, Savage, Owen,, etc., etc. are gone and can't contribute stories to these docs. Anyway, going to start in on these now.
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HuskerTornado
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Post by HuskerTornado on May 29, 2021 2:01:31 GMT -5
I was never a Warrior fan but all these people saying how horrible in the ring he was, what the hell did they want Warrior to do? Float over headlocks, arm drag take downs, whatever else? Warrior was a muscle guy who got away doing the things he did because it worked for the gimmick. I don't see people saying how bad The Road Warriors were in the ring. They did the same thing. Just over powered people and ran over them. They couldn't work either. But god forbid you say the LOD couldn't work. Their promos were a lot better, but again, just two bullies in the ring. Kerry Von Erich wasn't a great worker, Hogan (of course), and I'm sure we can rattle off a few more that were pushed to main event status. Sid Vicious wasn't exactly setting the wrestling ring on fire with his abilities, but Warrior is the one who gets crucified the most. I think it has a lot to do with jealousy. Warrior was in the right place at the right time. Now in 1996? Yeah, Warrior was old news. I don't think there was any way he could re-invent himself to sustain the next decade considering where wrestling style went. I'd take 1000 Young Bucks matches over a single LOD match. Anyone that no sells and roughs up multiple opponents isn't worth anything in the world of wrestling IMO. Nobody talks about a Young Bucks pop.
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HuskerTornado
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Post by HuskerTornado on May 29, 2021 2:50:48 GMT -5
DSotR episode was pretty uneventful. Same old same old mixed with inconsequential fluff.
Lol, Jake's telling of the pre-feud discussion in 1991 has sure gotten more colorful over the years. He was never getting the championship, either.
Telling of the 1996 run was poor, lied about why it ended.
The real bullcrap, however, was the end where it acts as though Warrior just went off on all of these guys in the business with no provocation. Every one of those videos or blogs were in response to what that person had said about him. They were all receipts.
Bottom line is making a "dark side" about Warrior was a stretch to say the least and they tried to sensationalize things or just told things either poorly or lied to make it seem salacious and fitting of a "dark side" episode.
I thought they would go into steroids, though, to try and tie his early death to the business.
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Now to A&E
Love the behind the scenes on the promos, I wonder how many hours of cutting room floor promos they have of all the guys from the 80s and 90s. That would be a great blooper show on the network (or Peacock, now).
The SummerSlam 91 story gets more convoluted every time someone tells it. Haha, this time Slaughter has himself and Shiek involved in the planned leg breaking.
This A&E doc....seems a lot like the Self Destruction DVD, and even used several clips from it. This, just like Dark Side, acts like Warrior's videos and blogs in relation to guys in the business, were unprovoked. I find that really odd.
In the end, it skips a ton of his career, glosses over other parts, but really seemed to dwell more on the few negative aspects than covered the many positive.
The end saves it a bit, but the tone in both of these was disappointing. Warrior's 2 newer Bluray WWE docs and Warrior's old Ringside Collectables Shoot interview were better.
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jeffro2000
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Post by jeffro2000 on May 29, 2021 20:37:34 GMT -5
Dark side has been pretty boring to me this season. They are just lying and twisting stuff at times to marke stuff "darker" than it was. Granted I didn't watch the cage episode because I have no clue who that is.
I liked the A&E Warrior bio. Warrior was flawed, but as a Sports entertainer, during his era, he had "it" and not many can say that. He entertained and that's what WWE was built on.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on May 30, 2021 0:19:54 GMT -5
Warrior & Gage episodes were misses. I think they should cut the amount of episodes next season to try & mantain the high standard seen in most episodes.
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Post by JokerFC on May 30, 2021 4:57:02 GMT -5
Enjoyed the Pillman 2 parter & Korea was interesting.
No real interest in the Warrior episode & it doesn't seem to be on YouTube.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 30, 2021 9:57:29 GMT -5
I’ve enjoyed this season for the most part. The Pillman and Korea episodes were enjoyable.
I think the issue with the Warrior episode was that is should have been 2 or 3 episodes. It was too much crammed into one episode, and even then, they had to rush a lot of things and leave a ton out. There’s no denying that Warrior made ALOT of enemies during his run, and he obviously was trying to make amends as he likely knew his time left was short at the end. I just think they could have made this span multiple episodes to flesh it out more.
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Post by Gorilla on Jun 3, 2021 12:18:49 GMT -5
Does anyone know how to watch AE online in Canada?
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Post by PJ on Jun 4, 2021 7:52:24 GMT -5
Jake’s family last night was pretty good. But I can’t wait until Dynamite Kid next week.
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Post by LA Times on Jun 4, 2021 9:09:55 GMT -5
Sam Houston shouldve been a bigger star in the business but a babyface cowboy character seemed out of place in the WWF Hulkamania Era and he wouldve been better off in NWA or WCCW. That said, Mattel should make a figure of him from Wrestlemania IV.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jun 4, 2021 9:10:48 GMT -5
Grizzly was probably the worst person to ever work in the wrestling business. Killer, sexual assaulter, paedophile & domestic abuse offender.
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Post by The Brain on Jun 4, 2021 9:52:00 GMT -5
Sam Houston shouldve been a bigger star in the business but a babyface cowboy character seemed out of place in the WWF Hulkamania Era and he wouldve been better off in NWA or WCCW. That said, Mattel should make a figure of him from Wrestlemania IV.
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Post by Grenouille on Jun 4, 2021 11:10:31 GMT -5
Sam Houston shouldve been a bigger star in the business but a babyface cowboy character seemed out of place in the WWF Hulkamania Era and he wouldve been better off in NWA or WCCW. That said, Mattel should make a figure of him from Wrestlemania IV. Not before Uecker, but I am on board for a Sam figure or really anybody who appeared at Mania IV. Holding out hope for that SDCC exclusive Robin Leach.
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Post by The Brain on Jun 4, 2021 11:14:27 GMT -5
Sam Houston shouldve been a bigger star in the business but a babyface cowboy character seemed out of place in the WWF Hulkamania Era and he wouldve been better off in NWA or WCCW. That said, Mattel should make a figure of him from Wrestlemania IV. Not before Uecker, but I am on board for a Sam figure or really anybody who appeared at Mania IV. Holding out hope for that SDCC exclusive Robin Leach. Give us a 2 pack with Andre! Have his hands around his neck in the packaging
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Post by rowdy1971 on Jun 4, 2021 11:19:39 GMT -5
Dark side has been pretty boring to me this season. They are just lying and twisting stuff at times to marke stuff "darker" than it was. Granted I didn't watch the cage episode because I have no clue who that is. I liked the A&E Warrior bio. Warrior was flawed, but as a Sports entertainer, during his era, he had "it" and not many can say that. He entertained and that's what WWE was built on. Watch the Gage one for purely laughs because that's all that idiot should have are people laughing at him. Then listen to Jim Cornette talk about it. Very funny stuff.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Jun 4, 2021 11:44:53 GMT -5
Not before Uecker, but I am on board for a Sam figure or really anybody who appeared at Mania IV. Holding out hope for that SDCC exclusive Robin Leach. Give us a 2 pack with Andre! Have his hands around his neck in the packaging Yeah, I doubt Mattel would have any problem at all memorializing asphyxiation in a children's toy lol
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Post by Grenouille on Jun 4, 2021 11:46:07 GMT -5
Give us a 2 pack with Andre! Have his hands around his neck in the packaging Yeah, I doubt Mattel would have any problem at all memorializing asphyxiation in a children's toy lol But it really wasn’t choking. It was just a foot on a shoulder. Completely harmless.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Jun 4, 2021 12:11:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I doubt Mattel would have any problem at all memorializing asphyxiation in a children's toy lol But it really wasn’t choking. It was just a foot on a shoulder. Completely harmless. Still, would be much better packaging to show him going off on Andre that cameras didn't bother to catch. But Mattel would have to have the budget to include a second pair of legs for Uecker...
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shenmue
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Post by shenmue on Jun 4, 2021 15:38:31 GMT -5
Last nights episode sure was dark, first worthwhile episode this season since Pillman, the scumbag on next week is also worth covering in a series called dark side of the ring.
So at least part one of this season is starting and ending on good stories, shame about the filler in between.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 6:40:04 GMT -5
I like watching episodes about Steve and about Pillman it's very exciting. Hopefully, the quality and content of this season is more like season 1 than season 2, which was pretty bad. We with guys from writinguniverse.com/free-essay-examples/history/ like to watch various similar episodes at work. We'd like to see them tackle Hayabusa and Droz's accidents. Could anyone recommend a few more interesting episodes?
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