Yes!!! Darkside of the ring season 3 spoiler.

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And just because he's always done it, doesn't make it right.


I've just finished the episode though. Taking everything at face value, my biggest takeaway is Tommy Dreamer is a piece of shit.

Guess you never know, but when I see people say things like "why can't people just laugh this stuff off?" I'm legitimately curious how'd they respond if it happened to them. Like they're at work in a meeting and some guy they don't know who's significantly bigger than them backs them into another room with their d*ck out for other people's amusement. Would they really find that funny? Or if you point a gun at a cashier's face and pretend to stick them up before revealing it wasn't loaded are we supposed to expect the cashier to just have a good story to tell?

Somehow Tommy Dreamer almost comes off worse than Ric Flair, so kudos to him for that one.

Never accused you, just a blanket statement for a lot of people that defend these actions. Full stories don’t come out till years later. Not everyone knows everything. “True wrestling fans” have to research every aspect of pro wrestling for the last 40 years? The “it was a different” time argument doesn’t work. It just means more people did it back then back it was acceptable. I also stated I’ve know about Flair for a long time and I have my own opinions. The Bill Cosby stuff happened years ago, are you saying it’s ok? Sexual assault is sexual assault, regardless of the time period.

Also I’m in my early 30s, I’m bald, and I just enjoyed a damn fine glass of orange juice.

I will say out of all of this: I feel like Dreamer was taken out of context and he did not know the fight attendant’s personal account. As far as Tommy knew, all that happened was the flight staff was passing by and got a look at Ric Flair naked. Dreamer was pointing out that she wasn’t a victim because she raw Ric Flair with his robe open. I think he was ignorant to the fact that allegedly Ric sexually harassed the flight attendant, and the interview showed that. Dreamer does not seem like the type to blow off an actual harassment like that and I think if anything, he would’ve just stayed quiet about the whole thing had he known the extent of the situation.

I know when they edit all together it can seem like Dreamer is blowing the accusations off, but its very possible that his interview was filmed before hers, or the directors didn't want to taint his personal account by showing him the interview from the flight attendant, or a number of other things. I feel like the record should be set straight about Tommy and I think he should do it himself.

I saw some people also upset with Dustin about the episode. Man, where does it stop? The dude had a serious drug and alcohol problem at this time and he was still reeling from his divorce from Terri. I thought the story was really embarrassing but I didn't think he acted remarkably inappropriate -- especially when we see the other accounts of the episode.

As for Ric Flair and Scott Hall -- hard to defend. I can only see them saying it never happened or ignoring it completely. I personally do not recall another story from these two harrassing women. I do remember Scott Hall being awfully creepy on Twitter to some young women in wrestling, most notably Paige. She was like 22 when Scott Hall was tweeting her all sorts of very forward stuff. That whole thing was weird. No excuses for these stories, though. The fact that the WWE settled out of court with these women is very suspect and leaves me to believe that something of sustance did happen. Maybe it was just do with the dangerous flight but it adds up to me as "hush money" for maybe something bigger than that.

I will say -- the fact that I've never heard an accusation against Flair sticks out to me. I haven't heard another story about Ric harrassing a woman like this. He is a part animal, and was 100% inappropriate, unacceptable and disgusting by today's standards. But this is the first accusation out of the forty year history of Ric and I think that it speaks for something.

I don't know. Its a hard place for fans when something like this happens. Can we keep idolizing someone who did something bad? I'm not trying to come across like I'm defending anything about this story but its just so shocking that accusations like this lay dormant for almost 20 years and all of the sudden the world is ready to pounce on their backs.

Flair is supposed to be coming into AEW soon, most likely as Andrade El Idolo's new manager. If Tony Khan brought in Nick Gage just because he was on DSOTR, he might still go ahead and bring in Ric Flair.

Nobody is saying laugh it off, or defending Flair for his actions.

What’s ridiculous is the plane ride from hell story has been know for 20 years. Meltzer was literally giving us accounts of everything as soon as they landed (and this wasn’t the only time “Flair was being Flair”). Nobody jumped on Flair then, but because a show that is known for picking and choosing how their stories are told brought it up again, we should cancel Flair now?

This wasn’t something only Flair, or the wrestling industry was known for doing. It was rampant in Hollywood and the music industry for decades. No, it wasn’t right, but to go after someone now for something they did two decade ago when the public was well aware of it at the time is ridiculous. Punish him at the time if you don’t agree with his actions, but don’t wait 20 years to punish him.

And I’m a 30 year old accountant for anyone interested, so I don’t fit the “mid-life crazy boomer” label people like to throw out at those who don’t want to “cancel” someone at the drop of a dime.

I think people are too hung up on the notion of "cancelling" someone, as if it needs to be some grandiose gesture. Ric Flair is an old man who did and likely still does terrible things. None of us need to be locked in to our initial reaction 20 years ago - it's very easy to have not batted an eye at the age of 16 (like me) while still being able to look back at 36 and say "you know what, f*ck Ric Flair", and the same goes for those who would enable him, whether their initials are AEW or WWE or NWA. Just...stop inviting him. Don't sign him. Stop putting the focus and the lens on him, leave him to his own defenses, and put him out to pasture, at least in that regard.

Soulless corporations can grow, too.