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Post by shanieomaniac on Jan 25, 2021 22:16:30 GMT -5
Thoughts on the John Cena "Legends" thing...
OK, so some of you have a problem with this?
My questions about it...
1. Is it because of it being Cena specifically?
- if so, might I remind you that Alica Fox is considered a "Legend" and the Bella Twins are HOF Bound. The WWE's criteria for Legend status is questionable at best. Move on.
2. Is it because the attire is from post Attitude Era?
- if so, might I remind you that I never saw person one complain about the Eddie "I'm Your Papi!" figure and that attire also is from after the AE. Move on.
Basically, I think this is just a case of people not liking the fact that the Ruthless Aggression era is not fitting into the "Legends" era. Love him or hate him, Cena is one of the last true stars the company produced. It might rub you the wrong way, but objectively, the figure has good reason to be in the line.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Jan 25, 2021 22:17:03 GMT -5
I am referencing Mox and Cody because they were named in the original post that I responded to. You argued for the others when my main gripe was about Mox and Cody. Tanahashi is a legend as I already stated but Kenny and Okada are debatable. But using the term legend to describe Cody and Mox is definitely using the term incorrectly. Kenny is not a legend just because he sold a $50 pay per view. The guy had one short world championship reign in NJPW and is a current world champion in a new organization. Far from being a legend... How about you read the original post I responded to before trying to join the conversation after the fact? I’m pretty sure if you go back and read the original post, Cody and Mox came up as “stars who’ve been made in the last 20 years” not Legends, which is a pretty distinct difference. Joining the Reading Deficiency club are we? The person that I originally responded to responded to another persons post that said, and I quote, “are all stars who have been made in the past 20 years or so in the WWE that I would also consider legends.” Literally says LEGENDS right there. And then my guy said he’d add Cody, Mox, and etc to the list. No need for you to jump in on this also. Read thoroughly first. Thanks! |
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Post by crush on Jan 25, 2021 23:04:21 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure if you go back and read the original post, Cody and Mox came up as “stars who’ve been made in the last 20 years” not Legends, which is a pretty distinct difference. Joining the Reading Deficiency club are we? The person that I originally responded to responded to another persons post that said, and I quote, “are all stars who have been made in the past 20 years or so in the WWE that I would also consider legends.” Literally says LEGENDS right there. And then my guy said he’d add Cody, Mox, and etc to the list. No need for you to jump in on this also. Read thoroughly first. Thanks! Awe, aren't you a nice person. Anyway, I read throughly. The original comment was about Orton and Cena being legend, the following poster named "Batista, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, and Roman Reigns" as stars made in the last 20 years that they would consider legends. Two following posters named Rollins, Rhodes, Moxley, Omega, Okada and Tanahasi as stars that had been made in the last 20 years, which is where the whole discussion seemed from.  As for there to be any "need" for me to "jump in" this is a forum last time I checked. If yo want your conversations private, there's literally a private message feature. And FTR, to get back to the topic at hand, believe it or not I do get where your coming from as far as guys still being in their prime, but Okada locked down NJPW legend status when thy booked him to headline MSG and take the title back there. that was, bar-none, the most important show outside of Japan in the company's history, and it was built around him regaining the title. As far as the others, Moxley isn't yet, Omega is a yes, Tanhashi is an easy yes, and Cody is probably close to "legendary status" but much more the impact his departure form WWE/tour of the Indies/All-In/AEW have had on the business than his in-ring work. |
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Post by Sizzle on Jan 25, 2021 23:09:10 GMT -5
Cena is a legend.
This reasoning that anything past the attitude era shouldn't be included in the Legends line is absurd.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 25, 2021 23:10:43 GMT -5
Hahahaha action figures go brrrrrrr
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Jan 25, 2021 23:18:27 GMT -5
Cena is a legend.
This reasoning that anything past the attitude era shouldn't be included in the Legends line is absurd.
Y’all should just be happy we have a Legends line |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jan 25, 2021 23:23:53 GMT -5
Cena is a much bigger star than 99% of Legends in the line. I'm cool with him getting a figure.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Jan 26, 2021 0:19:05 GMT -5
Hahahaha action figures go brrrrrrr I'm really tempted to make this part of my signature. |
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Post by LK3 on Jan 26, 2021 1:05:41 GMT -5
Cena is a legend.
This reasoning that anything past the attitude era shouldn't be included in the Legends line is absurd.
Meanwhile they want any mid/low-card nobody who aren’t close to legends status. |
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Jan 26, 2021 9:23:18 GMT -5
Joining the Reading Deficiency club are we? The person that I originally responded to responded to another persons post that said, and I quote, “are all stars who have been made in the past 20 years or so in the WWE that I would also consider legends.” Literally says LEGENDS right there. And then my guy said he’d add Cody, Mox, and etc to the list. No need for you to jump in on this also. Read thoroughly first. Thanks! Awe, aren't you a nice person. Anyway, I read throughly. The original comment was about Orton and Cena being legend, the following poster named "Batista, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, and Roman Reigns" as stars made in the last 20 years that they would consider legends. Two following posters named Rollins, Rhodes, Moxley, Omega, Okada and Tanahasi as stars that had been made in the last 20 years, which is where the whole discussion seemed from. As for there to be any "need" for me to "jump in" this is a forum last time I checked. If yo want your conversations private, there's literally a private message feature. And FTR, to get back to the topic at hand, believe it or not I do get where your coming from as far as guys still being in their prime, but Okada locked down NJPW legend status when thy booked him to headline MSG and take the title back there. that was, bar-none, the most important show outside of Japan in the company's history, and it was built around him regaining the title. As far as the others, Moxley isn't yet, Omega is a yes, Tanhashi is an easy yes, and Cody is probably close to "legendary status" but much more the impact his departure form WWE/tour of the Indies/All-In/AEW have had on the business than his in-ring work. Stars that they would also call legends... that’s the point. No need to discuss it further. They were naming stars that they would ALSO be considered legends. Cody is not a legend. That is laughable. Mox is a terrible wrestler and also far from being a legend of professional wrestling. |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jan 26, 2021 9:31:56 GMT -5
So many great points being made.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 10:58:53 GMT -5
Not a big deal but I'll say it -- I'm not happy about that Cena being in this line. Is he a legend? Yes. Do I, personally want any wrestler past the Attitude Era in this line? No. Post-Attitude era is just about 20 years ago. By that logic pretty much no one Jakks put in the classic superstars line should have qualified. Now, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think looks from the late 2000s/early 2010 should qualify (outside of an outlier case like Shawn Michaels or Undertaker) but I don’t see how the 02/03 era wouldn’t qualify. Yes but we're talking this line here. I don't know who was in that line as I didn't collect it. It's partially just the fact that it's more John Cena. Even another version of Bret Hart would have been way cooler and fit better. I also passed on that Eddie Guerrero. It's more so personal taste combined with the timeline where we categorize or collections. |
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Post by dpd1967 on Jan 26, 2021 11:00:31 GMT -5
Post-Attitude era is just about 20 years ago. By that logic pretty much no one Jakks put in the classic superstars line should have qualified. Now, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think looks from the late 2000s/early 2010 should qualify (outside of an outlier case like Shawn Michaels or Undertaker) but I don’t see how the 02/03 era wouldn’t qualify. Yes but we're talking this line here. I don't know who was in that line as I didn't collect it. It's partially just the fact that it's more John Cena. Even another version of Bret Hart would have been way cooler and fit better. I also passed on that Eddie Guerrero. It's more so personal taste combined with the timeline where we categorize or collections. it’s me it’s me it’s DDP |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jan 26, 2021 11:44:51 GMT -5
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Post by sandeep on Jan 26, 2021 12:50:04 GMT -5
If WWE consider Bella twins as legends then Cena is also a legend but the truth is WWE nowadays has lost it.
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Post by Da Handsome 1 on Jan 26, 2021 19:09:57 GMT -5
Just got tracking for elite 84
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Post by kaleb9 on Jan 26, 2021 19:23:50 GMT -5
got my tracking for elite 84!
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 27, 2021 5:08:37 GMT -5
It'd be great if WWE would allow Mattel to freely sign legends again and if Mattel would put forth an effort to get the big names we're missing but sadly, I don't think those days are ever coming back. Best we can hope for is WWE gets everyone back in the farm that they can or Jazwares starts scooping names up. Who are these big names you’re speaking of? The closest thing I can think of to big names that don’t have a toy in the WWE Mattel line are Owen Hart (which won’t happen), Jeff Jarrett (which can’t happen, but as soon as legally available probably will), and Scott Steiner (which seems unlikely but vaguely possible). And it’s questionable to call any of those big names. Who are you expecting to be included as a headliner for a Legends series that hasn’t had a figure yet? They’ve done every WWE Champion since the company went national, every World champion except Benoit, every Rumble winner except Benoit, every (televised) King of the Ring winner except Owen, every WCW champion except Benoit, Steiner, Jarrett, Russo and Arquette. People complain that there aren’t enough new big names in the line, but that’s because there aren’t any left to do. Sable is all I can think of. In 98, arguably the biggest year in the company, she was more over than 80% of the roster. And I’m sure Mattel has tried and she has no interest. |
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Post by willow10 on Jan 27, 2021 6:47:57 GMT -5
My Boi Jeff Hardy is on his way can’t wait such an awesome figure both th chase and original 😍
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I dont know good luck 
