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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 18:09:59 GMT -5
On a recent virtual signing video Tito Santana was asked "Bret Hart once said that you, him, and 4 others were considered to beat Ric Flair for the title in 1992 do you know who the other 4 were?" He only mentioned Ted Dibiase. How would that have worked? Would Ted have turned babyface in 1992?
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Post by MKSavage on Jan 21, 2021 19:00:15 GMT -5
I can't see that working. DiBiase was so good as a heel, I can't imagine the WWF audience cheering for him had he turned babyface. But, then again, they did cheer Perfect, so... It wouldn't surprise me if the other 4 names were more guys who were seen more as WWF guys than any other promotion. They were probably looking at WWF loyalists like Bret, Tito, and DiBiase. It also wouldn't surprise me if Perfect was one of those names. Warrior and Savage both seem likely, as Flair dropped the belt to Bret before Warrior was fired and Savage was really moved to the booth.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 21, 2021 19:56:24 GMT -5
Numerous folks have said this theory of 4/5 guys being in the mix was BS. If Flair wasn't doing it for Vince why would Ted?
Dibiases programmes with Money Inc were locked in too as tag champs. It's worth noting? Ted was pretty broke up in 1992 as well.
That's why he was put with IRS. He nixed a programme with the Smokin Gunn's in 1993 because in his own words? "It wouldn't have been fair to let Mike go round the horn on his own with the guys" he was busted up & working with the Steiner's nightly was all she wrote.
By the sounds of it? He barely made it to Summerslam 93.
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Post by The Brain on Jan 21, 2021 20:14:23 GMT -5
Yeah Dibiase was on his last legs in 92. No way could he be a World Champ at that point.If it wasnt Bret the only other I see beating Flair would be Warrior and in the end we saw what happened to him before the year ended.The ol' chopping block.
Bret beating em was the 100% right choice. He had a great ending to his IC run at SSlam so it was definitely time to pull the trigger on em in the main event scene in the Fall. Having it done in Canada was the icing on the cake.
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Post by nibs92 on Jan 22, 2021 6:37:33 GMT -5
Much like Tito, Dibiase was too much of a midcard guy by then. He was a guy to beat, not the guy to beat. Money Inc. gave him a bit of longevity character wise but just don’t see him working out in 92.
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Post by jason88cubs on Jan 22, 2021 10:03:58 GMT -5
i loved Dibase but him as champion in 92 was a little to late
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 22, 2021 11:06:05 GMT -5
I can't see Ted being WWF Champion either in 1992 or 1993.
By that time, Ted was a tag team wrestler. He and IRS were great together, and if you had the WWF Champion being the main event on a house show, you could run a second house show that very night and have Money Inc be the main event on it. So having Ted and IRS as Tag Champions then made the WWF have two big main event type matches take place on their events.
Looking back, Bret Hart WAS the only suitable guy to be THE guy. Randy wasn't gonna get it for a third time, Santana was a jobber all through 1993, so if his name was mentioned in the mix, my guess it was Vince just trying to show his appreciation for him saying, "yeah, you were in the talks about it." But let's all be honest here, Bret Hart was so popular then. Nobody was saying, "I sure do love Tito Santana!" Ha ha ha
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Post by jason88cubs on Jan 22, 2021 11:16:43 GMT -5
Yea in late 92 their really was no contenders for the heavyweight title
Hogan gone, Davy Boy gone, Sid gone, Flair wasnt working out, Macho's 2nd run was not a success, Warrior was gone, Earthquake was in tag team
Razor wasnt ready, Henning just came back
Hart was really the only option
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 11:28:48 GMT -5
I think they were testing out matches trying to decide.
around time of title change flair was wrestling savage, warrior, bret, and tatanka in singles matches, plus a bunch of tag matches.
im thinking they were considering warrior/savage for tag champs and decided bret was best option then for hw champ!
undertaker could have been a solid choice to be champion.
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Post by Warriah' on Jan 22, 2021 11:30:06 GMT -5
Honestly I highly doubt Tito was on the list of 5 guys. Bret never mentioned Tito in his book, Tito just said that he was considered and I don't buy that McMahon had any plans to put the belt on a guy who'd lost his last 6 or 7 Wrestlemania matches at that time. Tito was a job guy and had been for a long time.
Names I could see being on the list would be Mr Perfect, Undertaker, Tatanka, Razor and maybe Duggan or the Big Boss Man.
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Post by jason88cubs on Jan 22, 2021 11:41:44 GMT -5
Honestly I highly doubt Tito was on the list of 5 guys. Bret never mentioned Tito in his book, Tito just said that he was considered and I don't buy that McMahon had any plans to put the belt on a guy who'd lost his last 6 or 7 Wrestlemania matches at that time. Tito was a job guy and had been for a long time. Names I could see being on the list would be Mr Perfect, Undertaker, Tatanka, Razor and maybe Duggan or the Big Boss Man. Yes to Big Bossman!!
Undertaker wouldnt be horrible but I still think he was in "protection mode" in not losing to anyone clean so I dont know how they would have gotten title off him unless Yoko did
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 12:46:17 GMT -5
I can't see Ted being WWF Champion either in 1992 or 1993. By that time, Ted was a tag team wrestler. He and IRS were great together, and if you had the WWF Champion being the main event on a house show, you could run a second house show that very night and have Money Inc be the main event on it. So having Ted and IRS as Tag Champions then made the WWF have two big main event type matches take place on their events. Looking back, Bret Hart WAS the only suitable guy to be THE guy. Randy wasn't gonna get it for a third time, Santana was a jobber all through 1993, so if his name was mentioned in the mix, my guess it was Vince just trying to show his appreciation for him saying, "yeah, you were in the talks about it." But let's all be honest here, Bret Hart was so popular then. Nobody was saying, "I sure do love Tito Santana!" Ha ha ha Tito said in his book that they thought of giving it to him to appeal to their Hispanic market. I think they did house shows in Mexico around that time and wanted him to headline those. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 22, 2021 12:50:48 GMT -5
Seeing as they tend to think rather ahead, I'd imagine the options were Bret, Tito, Warrior, Savage, Bulldog and I guess DiBiase. Warrior & Bulldog were let go, Savage earlier run was a flop. Tito just didn't have that drawing power so Bret was truly the only option.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 22, 2021 16:32:10 GMT -5
Seeing as they tend to think rather ahead, I'd imagine the options were Bret, Tito, Warrior, Savage, Bulldog and I guess DiBiase. Warrior & Bulldog were let go, Savage earlier run was a flop. Tito just didn't have that drawing power so Bret was truly the only option.
Savage's run flopped because of Ric Flair.
Flair vs. Savage in WCW in 1995 and 1996 was so much better than the 1992 WWF matches. Flair just kept wrestling that old NWA style of wrestling in the WWF, and sure it worked with Piper cause Piper worked there, but the matches Flair had with Hogan, Savage and Hart were brutal to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 10:51:23 GMT -5
Numerous folks have said this theory of 4/5 guys being in the mix was BS. If Flair wasn't doing it for Vince why would Ted? Dibiases programmes with Money Inc were locked in too as tag champs. It's worth noting? Ted was pretty broke up in 1992 as well. That's why he was put with IRS. He nixed a programme with the Smokin Gunn's in 1993 because in his own words? "It wouldn't have been fair to let Mike go round the horn on his own with the guys" he was busted up & working with the Steiner's nightly was all she wrote. By the sounds of it? He barely made it to Summerslam 93. Bret tells a story in his book about the list. He said Strongbow came up to him after a show and said he was on a list with 5 other names being considered for the belt. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 11:56:15 GMT -5
dibiase coulda been the ultimate champion heel in like 1988. always cheating or using virgil to cheat to win and keep the belt.
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Post by JokerFC on Feb 19, 2021 12:37:26 GMT -5
Numerous folks have said this theory of 4/5 guys being in the mix was BS. If Flair wasn't doing it for Vince why would Ted? Dibiases programmes with Money Inc were locked in too as tag champs. It's worth noting? Ted was pretty broke up in 1992 as well. That's why he was put with IRS. He nixed a programme with the Smokin Gunn's in 1993 because in his own words? "It wouldn't have been fair to let Mike go round the horn on his own with the guys" he was busted up & working with the Steiner's nightly was all she wrote. By the sounds of it? He barely made it to Summerslam 93. Bret tells a story in his book about the list. He said Strongbow came up to him after a show and said he was on a list with 5 other names being considered for the belt. Lots of holes in Bret's book man. It's a great read but it's not all gospel. |
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Post by jason88cubs on Feb 23, 2021 18:47:58 GMT -5
I owuld have liked to see a group of Flair, Dibase, Heenan, Mr Perfect all together.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 18:42:31 GMT -5
Bret tells a story in his book about the list. He said Strongbow came up to him after a show and said he was on a list with 5 other names being considered for the belt. Lots of holes in Bret's book man. It's a great read but it's not all gospel. Thanks for the opinion man. |
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