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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 30, 2021 11:26:28 GMT -5
Bad booking and not understanding the audience was changing. It was supposed to look as though Sid snuck up behind Hogan and eliminated him in a sneaky way, but it didn't look that way. It looked like Sid was doing the right thing and eliminating someone. The thing that made Hogan look weak/heel was him grabbing Sid's arm and helping Flair win, had they just had Hogan and Sid arguing with each other and Flair take the advantage and eliminate Sid from behind on his own, Hogan probably wouldn't have been booed. They thought that just because Sid threw Hogan out from behind that the fans would automatically boo Sid, but the fans didn't. In the past, that probably would have worked, because anytime anyone did anything to Hogan (or against Hogan) the fans automatically booed them and cheered Hogan. But the fans were changing, you could see at the end of 1991 Hogan wasn't getting cheered as much as he had been, even in the match with the Undertaker, he was already getting boos. Had Sid eliminated Hogan like he did, then have them argue with Flair eliminating Sid from behind on his own, then after the match have Hogan and Sid arguing some more, then do the heel turn on Hogan at SNME, it would have looked better. But the way they did it made Hogan look horrible. Yeah just have Hogan upset and argue with Sid and Flair takes advantage of the distraction woulda been fine. Or have Hogan calm down apologize and extend his hand wishing him luck and as they shake Flair throws out Sid. That way Hogan still looks like the good guy but Sid has a legitimate beef with him saying his antics caused him to lose. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 30, 2021 11:47:50 GMT -5
Bad booking and not understanding the audience was changing. It was supposed to look as though Sid snuck up behind Hogan and eliminated him in a sneaky way, but it didn't look that way. It looked like Sid was doing the right thing and eliminating someone. The thing that made Hogan look weak/heel was him grabbing Sid's arm and helping Flair win, had they just had Hogan and Sid arguing with each other and Flair take the advantage and eliminate Sid from behind on his own, Hogan probably wouldn't have been booed. They thought that just because Sid threw Hogan out from behind that the fans would automatically boo Sid, but the fans didn't. In the past, that probably would have worked, because anytime anyone did anything to Hogan (or against Hogan) the fans automatically booed them and cheered Hogan. But the fans were changing, you could see at the end of 1991 Hogan wasn't getting cheered as much as he had been, even in the match with the Undertaker, he was already getting boos. Had Sid eliminated Hogan like he did, then have them argue with Flair eliminating Sid from behind on his own, then after the match have Hogan and Sid arguing some more, then do the heel turn on Hogan at SNME, it would have looked better. But the way they did it made Hogan look horrible. Yeah just have Hogan upset and argue with Sid and Flair takes advantage of the distraction woulda been fine. Or have Hogan calm down apologize and extend his hand wishing him luck and as they shake Flair throws out Sid. That way Hogan still looks like the good guy but Sid has a legitimate beef with him saying his antics caused him to lose. Yup that's the way.... |
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Post by nibs92 on Jan 30, 2021 13:10:13 GMT -5
Yeah that’s a better way of putting it right enough. When you think about it? This time period must've been a nightmare for Vince. He starts 1992 with several hot storylines...RR92 for the title with lots of talent to play with & matches the fans are salivating for. Then.... Hogan announces He's leaving indefinitely after WM8. torpedoes the ME & offers some serious headaches. Hawk fails a drug test and now must be suspended because of everything else going on. this removes ones of Vince's tag champs & biggest most over acts/merch movers from WM. Another headache. Jake Roberts & Vince negotiations are breaking down...Roberts pivotal in RTWM but its starting to look less & less manageable Sid becomes difficult...starts moaning loudly about turning heel because there are "more opportunities at the top of the card to make $$$" Undertaker who is Vince's carefully crafted/protected mega heel is getting cheered like crazy. Vince does not want to turn him...but the crowd reactions are becoming impossible to ignore (source Paul Bearer shoot) must've been a nightmare because all this is happening at the same time virtually. Man oh man...when you think of what WM8 COULD have been...oh boy. RR 92 was around about the time I started watching. Even with limited knowledge, I knew it was a talent loaded roster. It’s mental seeing it summed up like that, and as you said all happening at the same time. Throw in the rumour of Bret talking with WCW, the Bulldog seemed to be going off the rails, looking back retrospectively. Must have been some sleepless nights in Stamford. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 30, 2021 14:38:56 GMT -5
When you think about it? This time period must've been a nightmare for Vince. He starts 1992 with several hot storylines...RR92 for the title with lots of talent to play with & matches the fans are salivating for. Then.... Hogan announces He's leaving indefinitely after WM8. torpedoes the ME & offers some serious headaches. Hawk fails a drug test and now must be suspended because of everything else going on. this removes ones of Vince's tag champs & biggest most over acts/merch movers from WM. Another headache. Jake Roberts & Vince negotiations are breaking down...Roberts pivotal in RTWM but its starting to look less & less manageable Sid becomes difficult...starts moaning loudly about turning heel because there are "more opportunities at the top of the card to make $$$" Undertaker who is Vince's carefully crafted/protected mega heel is getting cheered like crazy. Vince does not want to turn him...but the crowd reactions are becoming impossible to ignore (source Paul Bearer shoot) must've been a nightmare because all this is happening at the same time virtually. Man oh man...when you think of what WM8 COULD have been...oh boy. RR 92 was around about the time I started watching. Even with limited knowledge, I knew it was a talent loaded roster. It’s mental seeing it summed up like that, and as you said all happening at the same time. Throw in the rumour of Bret talking with WCW, the Bulldog seemed to be going off the rails, looking back retrospectively. Must have been some sleepless nights in Stamford. Forgot about the Bret stuff 🙈🙈🙈 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2021 17:39:03 GMT -5
RR 92 was around about the time I started watching. Even with limited knowledge, I knew it was a talent loaded roster. It’s mental seeing it summed up like that, and as you said all happening at the same time. Throw in the rumour of Bret talking with WCW, the Bulldog seemed to be going off the rails, looking back retrospectively. Must have been some sleepless nights in Stamford. Forgot about the Bret stuff 🙈🙈🙈 piper was also leaving as well! |
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 30, 2021 18:14:39 GMT -5
Jan 1992 a total sh#tstorm for Vince
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Post by jason88cubs on Jan 30, 2021 18:58:35 GMT -5
If I counted rigjt only 14 of the Royal Rumble participants were active wrestling for WWF at end of 1992 for WWF
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 3:49:48 GMT -5
If I counted rigjt only 14 of the Royal Rumble participants were active wrestling for WWF at end of 1992 for WWF hogan, sid, piper, jake, & bulldog were among them. thats alot of big names! |
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 31, 2021 4:54:59 GMT -5
Yeah there was a massive clear out in 92...the roster is completely different
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Post by The Brain on Jan 31, 2021 14:25:25 GMT -5
Still a glorious sight 29 years later. The crowd popping is the topper  |
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 31, 2021 14:28:47 GMT -5
The wrestling crowd was so weird back then. Hogan gets eliminated, they pop....Hogan comes out on SNME, they pop....Hogan wins the title at Mania 10...they pop...Its like  , hate him or love him but stop doing both |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Jan 31, 2021 16:11:23 GMT -5
The wrestling crowd was so weird back then. Hogan gets eliminated, they pop....Hogan comes out on SNME, they pop....Hogan wins the title at Mania 10...they pop...Its like , hate him or love him but stop doing both 9 |
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 31, 2021 16:42:50 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised Hogan let the match go on with him being thrown out. He must have had something in the works for the main event at mania.
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Post by JokerFC on Feb 1, 2021 10:59:06 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised Hogan let the match go on with him being thrown out. He must have had something in the works for the main event at mania. Well the plan was Hogan vs Flair in the ME for the World title so he probably didn't care. Things didn't change until after the RR |
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Post by Warriah' on Feb 2, 2021 6:42:40 GMT -5
Part of the problem in 92 was people were sick of Super Hogan winning everything, after 7 or 8 years it gets boring. Warrior at Mania 6 was the one big match he lost but he still managed to keep himself on top during Warrior's whole reign.
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 2, 2021 11:06:44 GMT -5
Don't forget he snuck in and got a title match with Yoko before his buddy Bret got his contractual rematch MotherF**CKER was a rulebreaker! Was cheering the bad guy this whole time! DAMMIT Its like the karate kid. everyone thinks daniel is the good guy, but dude comes to his new school tryin to put the moves on johnny's girl, stick his nose in their biz, tries to give boom box back after johnny clearly said to leave it alone, puts a hose on him at the dance. daniel was the heel, johnny was the good who got shafted! and then theres Trent from F13th remake: (from some dude on FB, frikin hilarious): Why Trent rules. 1. Takes his buddy's to hang at a fu**ing lakeside mansion house, not some jock aholes, but cool dudes, with hot chicks (he coulda brought more but hey). 2.Most likely bought the weed they have to roast up. Free high-quality booze and again hot chicks. 3. If you tell me you have never been annoyed by some ahole at a cash register, you are lying, Trent was in a hurry, and that hero guy looks like a dick, and was eying his girl. 4. Lets his friends go to the dock in his fu**ing escalade or whatever, clearly knowing they will take the boat. 5. Girl leaves with some ahole after like 10 mins, and is gone all day. Doesn't freak out Bangs the other girl compliments how hot she is and her nipple placement, while letting his friends continue to drink booze, and smoke weed because, well he is a douche. 6. Doesn't want a stranger in his parent's home esp the guy who was prolly all up in his girls goods and looks like a sex offender. 7. Told people to stay put." #Trentshouldhavesurvived Glad to see another Trent fan. The guy was the most realistic “teen/early-20s” character in that whole movie. Cool with his friends (as long as they don’t break him parents stuff), let them party at his families cabin while providing the booze, and when s*** went down, was thinking about surviving #1, even if it meant leaving people behind. I’d have stuck with him in that situation. ...and that girls nipple placement was near-perfect. Super complimentary of him to mention that. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 3, 2021 12:44:34 GMT -5
Part of the problem in 92 was people were sick of Super Hogan winning everything, after 7 or 8 years it gets boring. Warrior at Mania 6 was the one big match he lost but he still managed to keep himself on top during Warrior's whole reign. They really weren't though. He was still the most over guy on the roster. Watch the reactions from SNME, Wrestlemania VIII and then Wrestlemania IX a year later...guy was still top dog. Now I will say it was declined from say 87-89 but there wasn't a guy on the planet that was more over. |
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Post by JokerFC on Feb 5, 2021 6:18:58 GMT -5
Part of the problem in 92 was people were sick of Super Hogan winning everything, after 7 or 8 years it gets boring. Warrior at Mania 6 was the one big match he lost but he still managed to keep himself on top during Warrior's whole reign. They really weren't though. He was still the most over guy on the roster. Watch the reactions from SNME, Wrestlemania VIII and then Wrestlemania IX a year later...guy was still top dog. Now I will say it was declined from say 87-89 but there wasn't a guy on the planet that was more over. Absolutely... although I don't think there was any decline in 1989? He was over like crazy that year...maybe later in 90? Like fall? |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Feb 15, 2021 0:46:30 GMT -5
Still a glorious sight 29 years later. The crowd popping is the topper Seeing that gif just made me realize something, what if Flair lost his grip and fell to the floor? Would've sucked having him last that long only to fall out of the ring by accident. |
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