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Post by LK3 on Feb 17, 2021 21:18:27 GMT -5
This sh!# just makes me want to stop collecting, and find a new hobby. I've been trying to get a Steamboat elite since Mattel got the license (never got a Jakks Steamboat). Preferably one in white tights, and without ink smudges from his robe. ![](https://i.imgur.com/BzhKe9x.png) What are you talking about? It is a modest profit for the seller. You obviously can’t afford to be in this hobby. So not paying $40+ for a figure means one can’t afford the hobby? We’re not here to give a crap how much profit the seller makes, the buyer is still paying double the retail price. Not many people could afford that on a regular basis.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Feb 17, 2021 21:19:46 GMT -5
This is extremely inaccurate. You obviously have no idea how much it costs to ship a figure nowadays. Plus fees. The guy is making tops $13. And that’s being generous. That’s not a huge markup. And guess what? If you don’t like it then don’t buy it. I collect loose, so that’s all I can base it on. Haha Again, I’m mostly neutral on the matter. I don’t shake a stick at anyone who flips for a small profit, but you can’t act like someone isn’t walking away with a decent payout after 4-5 figures. Now take that towards the people who sell 2-3 times that much. Again, there’s a reason people do it. And it’s not to make a “modest” profit. The argument isn’t about selling 10 figures. The OP is mad because he can’t get Ricky at retail. The scalpers are t going to sell it at retail or even $30 because they’d make nothing out of it. Selling at $45 is allowing them to at least make $10. Is it fun for people that want the figure? Of course not. But every collector has to deal with this. I deal with this with wrestling figures, TMNT, Funko, etc. And of course they are making some money after selling multiples, but they aren’t making much with one. No one is walking away with $20 profit from selling one Steamboat at $45 like you said. Shipping MOC is way more expensive then loose. And what if the figures don’t sell? Then the buyer (scalper) is stuck with the item and the cost. So it’s their gamble. There is some risk on their side, especially if they are trying to sell 4-5 of the same item.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Feb 17, 2021 21:22:47 GMT -5
What are you talking about? It is a modest profit for the seller. You obviously can’t afford to be in this hobby. So not paying $40+ for a figure means one can’t afford the hobby? We’re not here to give a crap how much profit the seller makes, the buyer is still paying double the retail price. Not many people could afford that on a regular basis. To piggy back off of what the other guy is saying, the OP stated that he hasn’t been able to acquire any Steamboat from the beginning of Mattel making WWE figures. If you could t acquire even one then you’re not willing to pay for it. There have been many opportunities to get a Steamboat. If you can’t gather $45 after 10 years for one figure then you probably shouldn’t be in the collecting game. And yes, I know money is hard to come by, especially in a pandemic. But if money is that tight then you should t be collecting at all. Priorities.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 21:24:28 GMT -5
I collect loose, so that’s all I can base it on. Haha Again, I’m mostly neutral on the matter. I don’t shake a stick at anyone who flips for a small profit, but you can’t act like someone isn’t walking away with a decent payout after 4-5 figures. Now take that towards the people who sell 2-3 times that much. Again, there’s a reason people do it. And it’s not to make a “modest” profit. The argument isn’t about selling 10 figures. The OP is mad because he can’t get Ricky at retail. The scalpers are t going to sell it at retail or even $30 because they’d make nothing out of it. Selling at $45 is allowing them to at least make $10. Is it fun for people that want the figure? Of course not. But every collector has to deal with this. I deal with this with wrestling figures, TMNT, Funko, etc. And of course they are making some money after selling multiples, but they aren’t making much with one. No one is walking away with $20 profit from selling one Steamboat at $45 like you said. Shipping MOC is way more expensive then loose. And what if the figures don’t sell? Then the buyer (scalper) is stuck with the item and the cost. So it’s their gamble. There is some risk on their side, especially if they are trying to sell 4-5 of the same item. The discussion has become more about flipping and “scalping” in general. It’s why I’m neutral on the subject. $45-50 for one figure exclusive online isn’t bad (in my opinion) It’s when it becomes multiples of said items. Like that second listing. 4-5 Steamboats pictured. Clearly with 4-5 to sell. Then we wonder why figures go up online and are gone within minutes. That’s the part that I don’t agree with.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Feb 17, 2021 21:28:55 GMT -5
The argument isn’t about selling 10 figures. The OP is mad because he can’t get Ricky at retail. The scalpers are t going to sell it at retail or even $30 because they’d make nothing out of it. Selling at $45 is allowing them to at least make $10. Is it fun for people that want the figure? Of course not. But every collector has to deal with this. I deal with this with wrestling figures, TMNT, Funko, etc. And of course they are making some money after selling multiples, but they aren’t making much with one. No one is walking away with $20 profit from selling one Steamboat at $45 like you said. Shipping MOC is way more expensive then loose. And what if the figures don’t sell? Then the buyer (scalper) is stuck with the item and the cost. So it’s their gamble. There is some risk on their side, especially if they are trying to sell 4-5 of the same item. The discussion has become more about flipping and “scalping” in general. It’s why I’m neutral on the subject. $45-50 for one figure exclusive online isn’t bad (in my opinion) It’s when it becomes multiples of said items. Like that second listing. 4-5 Steamboats pictured. Clearly with 4-5 to sell. Then we wonder why figures go up online and are gone within minutes. That’s the part that I don’t agree with. We are agreeing on a lot of the same things here. The only thing we dont agree on is how much they are making for ONE figure. They are not making $15-20 on one figure at $45. After shipping and fees they are lucky if they make $13. Most likely they are only walking away with $10.
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Post by PJ on Feb 17, 2021 21:29:54 GMT -5
With shipping, paypal/ebay fees, time and gas to go get the figures, double retail is more than a fair markup Time and gas. 🤣🤣🤣Most flippers aren’t burning through a tank of gas for 1-2 figures. Always cracks me up when I see that. And in this case they are online exclusives which with prime membership they aren’t even pay for the shipping and there’s no time and gas spent. And if it’s figures being found at their stores what extra time and gas was spent? They are going to the store for themselves and are looking at the same figures they are looking at for themselves. So if I am going there for myself and I see a figure JokerFC, Nivro™ or someone else I know is looking for something why would I charge them more? Where’s all this extra hardship I need to factor in? I didn’t do anything except pick up an extra figure or two from the aisle in a store I was at for myself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 21:30:03 GMT -5
The discussion has become more about flipping and “scalping” in general. It’s why I’m neutral on the subject. $45-50 for one figure exclusive online isn’t bad (in my opinion) It’s when it becomes multiples of said items. Like that second listing. 4-5 Steamboats pictured. Clearly with 4-5 to sell. Then we wonder why figures go up online and are gone within minutes. That’s the part that I don’t agree with. We are agreeing on a lot of the same things here. The only thing we dont agree on is how much they are making for ONE figure. They are not making $15-20 on one figure at $45. After shipping and fees they are lucky if they make $13. Most likely they are only walking away with $10. Depending on the cost of the figure, yes. I think we agree across the board. I don’t agree with the OP, that’s for sure. Haha
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Post by LK3 on Feb 17, 2021 21:30:56 GMT -5
So not paying $40+ for a figure means one can’t afford the hobby? We’re not here to give a crap how much profit the seller makes, the buyer is still paying double the retail price. Not many people could afford that on a regular basis. To piggy back off of what the other guy is saying, the OP stated that he hasn’t been able to acquire any Steamboat from the beginning of Mattel making WWE figures. If you could t acquire even one then you’re not willing to pay for it. There have been many opportunities to get a Steamboat. If you can’t gather $45 after 10 years for one figure then you probably shouldn’t be in the collecting game. And yes, I know money is hard to come by, especially in a pandemic. But if money is that tight then you should t be collecting at all. Priorities. Sure, there have been several Steamboat releases. To be fair FB3 was scarce, but we don’t know the reasoning as to why he doesn’t yet have a Steamboat. Just trying to look at it about this particular figure, or any figure in general.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 21:31:11 GMT -5
Time and gas. 🤣🤣🤣Most flippers aren’t burning through a tank of gas for 1-2 figures. Always cracks me up when I see that. And in this case they are online exclusives which with prime membership they aren’t even pay for the shipping and there’s no time and gas spent. And if it’s figures being found at their stores what extra time and gas was spent? They are going to the store for themselves and are looking at the same figures they are looking at for themselves. So if I am going there for myself and I see a figure JokerFC, Nivro™ or someone else I know is looking for something why would I charge them more? Where’s all this extra hardship I need to factor in? I didn’t do anything except pick up an extra figure or two from the aisle in a store I was at for myself. I’d say $5 per bead of sweat from your head is a fair charge.
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Post by PJ on Feb 17, 2021 21:33:55 GMT -5
Always cracks me up when I see that. And in this case they are online exclusives which with prime membership they aren’t even pay for the shipping and there’s no time and gas spent. And if it’s figures being found at their stores what extra time and gas was spent? They are going to the store for themselves and are looking at the same figures they are looking at for themselves. So if I am going there for myself and I see a figure JokerFC, Nivro™ or someone else I know is looking for something why would I charge them more? Where’s all this extra hardship I need to factor in? I didn’t do anything except pick up an extra figure or two from the aisle in a store I was at for myself. I’d say $5 per bead of sweat from your head is a fair charge. First I will say I am a sweater. But I think if I am sweating from carrying an extra two figures I have bigger problems. lol
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Feb 17, 2021 21:37:51 GMT -5
To piggy back off of what the other guy is saying, the OP stated that he hasn’t been able to acquire any Steamboat from the beginning of Mattel making WWE figures. If you could t acquire even one then you’re not willing to pay for it. There have been many opportunities to get a Steamboat. If you can’t gather $45 after 10 years for one figure then you probably shouldn’t be in the collecting game. And yes, I know money is hard to come by, especially in a pandemic. But if money is that tight then you should t be collecting at all. Priorities. Sure, there have been several Steamboat releases. To be fair FB3 was scarce, but we don’t know the reasoning as to why he doesn’t yet have a Steamboat. Just trying to look at it about this particular figure, or any figure in general. But this is the collecting world we live in now post Toys R Us and pandemic. It’s not difficult to find general releases. You can get those on Ringside for less than retail if you are patient enough. The only thing people ever complain about are store exclusives. Store exclusives are hard to come by and scalpers make it even more difficult. That is a fact. But to complain about it, or just refuse to face the fact that this is a reality is on the OP. This is what you might have to pay to get store EXCLUSIVES. He’s even being picky about the robe and paint smudges. It’s hard enough find these in stores (or on Amazon). How does he expect to find a perfect one too?! It’s been ten years since Mattel has been around. If you want a Steamboat THAT bad then it $45. He obviously doesn’t want it that bad. And that’s fine. But just don’t complain about it then.
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Post by CampCornette on Feb 17, 2021 21:38:12 GMT -5
Brick and mortar collectible shops have overhead and customers can go there expecting products to be purchased and choose whether or not to pay their prices. Can I come to your house and look around and touch things while you have the heat and electricity on? Wow... this post... You know that you can choose NOT to buy figures on eBay right? You’re acting like someone is holding a gun to your head saying you have to get them there. You can choose not to buy it on eBay just like you’re saying you can choose to not buy it in a collectible shop... Wow...your post.... No one said I didn’t have a choice. I’m simply stating comparing a store to a person buying and marking up a stock is not the same. By that argument every pizza shop in the world is gouging the customers who can buy sauce, dough and cheese at a fraction of the cost. Difference is if I bought the limited amount of “cheese” aka action figures at every target in driving distance so that no one could make pizza then it would make me a scumbag
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Post by LK3 on Feb 17, 2021 21:39:48 GMT -5
Time and gas. 🤣🤣🤣Most flippers aren’t burning through a tank of gas for 1-2 figures. Always cracks me up when I see that. And in this case they are online exclusives which with prime membership they aren’t even pay for the shipping and there’s no time and gas spent. And if it’s figures being found at their stores what extra time and gas was spent? They are going to the store for themselves and are looking at the same figures they are looking at for themselves. So if I am going there for myself and I see a figure JokerFC, Nivro™ or someone else I know is looking for something why would I charge them more? Where’s all this extra hardship I need to factor in? I didn’t do anything except pick up an extra figure or two from the aisle in a store I was at for myself. You do it out of kindness. I’m sure there’s a large amount of scalpers who have no other reason to go to the store than to find toys to sell. If they weren’t looking to make money they wouldn’t go to the store, or would go much less often. So in general I would say there’s a little something to “time & gas” for a percentage of scalpers, in my opinion.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Feb 17, 2021 21:42:50 GMT -5
Wow... this post... You know that you can choose NOT to buy figures on eBay right? You’re acting like someone is holding a gun to your head saying you have to get them there. You can choose not to buy it on eBay just like you’re saying you can choose to not buy it in a collectible shop... Wow...your post.... No one said I didn’t have a choice. I’m simply stating comparing a store to a person buying and marking up a stock is not the same. By that argument every pizza shop in the world is gouging the customers who can buy sauce, dough and cheese at a fraction of the cost. Difference is if I bought the limited amount of “cheese” aka action figures at every target in driving distance so that no one could make pizza then it would make me a scumbag You’re comparing apples to lawnmowers. Your arguments and analogies make no sense.
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Post by airbud on Feb 17, 2021 21:45:35 GMT -5
To piggy back off of what the other guy is saying, the OP stated that he hasn’t been able to acquire any Steamboat from the beginning of Mattel making WWE figures. If you could t acquire even one then you’re not willing to pay for it. There have been many opportunities to get a Steamboat. If you can’t gather $45 after 10 years for one figure then you probably shouldn’t be in the collecting game. And yes, I know money is hard to come by, especially in a pandemic. But if money is that tight then you should t be collecting at all. Priorities. Sure, there have been several Steamboat releases. To be fair FB3 was scarce, but we don’t know the reasoning as to why he doesn’t yet have a Steamboat. Just trying to look at it about this particular figure, or any figure in general. I would like to get Steamboat in green pants without the headband to match more of his classic look rather than WWE run. But the white pants are iconic too as he wore that at wrestlemania 3. The Flashback figure was like one of most elusive sets ever. I also don’t have walmarts in nyc. so i never saw that figure for a reasonable price. And now this new one is basically a re-release but i still can’t capture it from amazon. I’m just not that interested in the dragon attire or that first release.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Feb 17, 2021 21:46:48 GMT -5
Sure, there have been several Steamboat releases. To be fair FB3 was scarce, but we don’t know the reasoning as to why he doesn’t yet have a Steamboat. Just trying to look at it about this particular figure, or any figure in general. I would like get Steamboat in green pants without the headband to match more of his classic look rather than WWE run. But the white pants are iconic too as he wore that at wrestlemania 3. The Flashback figure was like one of most elusive sets ever. I also don’t have walmarts in nyc. so i never saw that figure for a reasonable price. And now this new one is basically a re-release but i still can’t capture it from amazon. I’m just not that interested in the dragon attire or that first release. So then why are you even complaining about it? You sound ridiculous now. You’re literally whining about a figure you don’t even want. You’ve literally wasted our time. EDIT: and you’ve acknowledged that you wouldn’t even be able to find some exclusives due to not having a Walmart near you. You cant complain about scalpers then because no one is stealing them from you if you arent able to go there. Dude get over yourself.
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Post by CampCornette on Feb 17, 2021 21:53:45 GMT -5
Wow...your post.... No one said I didn’t have a choice. I’m simply stating comparing a store to a person buying and marking up a stock is not the same. By that argument every pizza shop in the world is gouging the customers who can buy sauce, dough and cheese at a fraction of the cost. Difference is if I bought the limited amount of “cheese” aka action figures at every target in driving distance so that no one could make pizza then it would make me a scumbag You’re comparing apples to lawnmowers. Your arguments and analogies make no sense. They truly make perfect sense. People arguing for scalpers saying it’s a free market and they are hustling are not wrong in theory but in moral. Someone who waits outside a store to open and buys everyone to resell it to collectors and parents is lame. It’s my opinion. You’re preying on a market. It’s not different than buying all of a certain product people may want but can only find at one store. Doesn’t make anyone a savvy business man or smart just slimy. Again my opinion. As for comparing hobby shops to scalpers that’s just silly. Most retailers get their stock manufacturers and or trade ins. To say they are scalpers is silly. It’s someone running a business not buying toys and reselling them from their basement. To your point you can choose not to buy from a hobby shop but when target is the only retailer selling an item that is scalped it limits buying options. Bad for everyone
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Post by airbud on Feb 17, 2021 21:55:52 GMT -5
I would like get Steamboat in green pants without the headband to match more of his classic look rather than WWE run. But the white pants are iconic too as he wore that at wrestlemania 3. The Flashback figure was like one of most elusive sets ever. I also don’t have walmarts in nyc. so i never saw that figure for a reasonable price. And now this new one is basically a re-release but i still can’t capture it from amazon. I’m just not that interested in the dragon attire or that first release. So then why are you even complaining about it? You sound ridiculous now. You’re literally whining about a figure you don’t even want. You’ve literally wasted our time. EDIT: and you’ve acknowledged that you wouldn’t even be able to find some exclusives due to not having a Walmart near you. You cant complain about scalpers than because no one is stealing them from you if you arent able to go there. Dude get over yourself. I complained about the amazon figure selling out and then seeing dozens on ebay for $45+. I explained how I’ve managed to not get an elite of one of my favorite wrestlers over the years. Mattel likes to hold out on us on particular looks for whatever reason. Sorry to waste your time. 🤭 You could have been scalping this whole time.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Feb 17, 2021 21:59:03 GMT -5
You’re comparing apples to lawnmowers. Your arguments and analogies make no sense. They truly make perfect sense. People arguing for scalpers saying it’s a free market and they are hustling are not wrong in theory but in moral. Someone who waits outside a store to open and buys everyone to resell it to collectors and parents is lame. It’s my opinion. You’re preying on a market. It’s not different than buying all of a certain product people may want but can only find at one store. Doesn’t make anyone a savvy business man or smart just slimy. Again my opinion. As for comparing hobby shops to scalpers that’s just silly. Most retailers get their stock manufacturers and or trade ins. To say they are scalpers is silly. It’s someone running a business not buying toys and reselling them from their basement. To your point you can choose not to buy from a hobby shop but when target is the only retailer selling an item that is scalped it limits buying options. Bad for everyone “It’s not different than buying all of a certain product people may want but can only find at one store.” This is exactly why your analogy is comparing apples to lawnmowers. Cheese isn’t exclusive to one store. These are collectibles and store exclusives. Literally unable to compare that to cheese. You can compare buying all the cheese to buying all the toilet paper in a pandemic but not to scalping toy exclusives and selling them on the secondary market. I’m not arguing with you that scalping sucks. I didn’t once defend scalping. But your analogies are really, really bad... they are counterproductive to your arguments.
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Post by WOOOOOO on Feb 17, 2021 21:59:06 GMT -5
You’re comparing apples to lawnmowers. Your arguments and analogies make no sense. They truly make perfect sense. People arguing for scalpers saying it’s a free market and they are hustling are not wrong in theory but in moral. Someone who waits outside a store to open and buys everyone to resell it to collectors and parents is lame. It’s my opinion. You’re preying on a market. It’s not different than buying all of a certain product people may want but can only find at one store. Doesn’t make anyone a savvy business man or smart just slimy. Again my opinion. As for comparing hobby shops to scalpers that’s just silly. Most retailers get their stock manufacturers and or trade ins. To say they are scalpers is silly. It’s someone running a business not buying toys and reselling them from their basement. To your point you can choose not to buy from a hobby shop but when target is the only retailer selling an item that is scalped it limits buying options. Bad for everyone So explain how a hobby shop clearing out stores of exclusives or having online exclusive figures available in their stores at the same prices u see on eBay is any different than the guy in his basement? Just because the hobby shop has a physical storefront? No different they are doing the same exact thing.
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