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Post by K5 on Apr 8, 2021 10:05:41 GMT -5
Poor show. Lots of bad basics, and open cooperation and communicating tonight. So much standing around and waiting to be hit. It seems like most of the talents in AEW have no clue what to do when mistakes happen. Jurassic Express and Bear Country was awful. The smaller member of Bear Country needs to be coached. They've also killed all of Christian's charm. He's naturally funny and upbeat, not brooding and boring. They need new minds in creative, I think. Say what you want about Cornette, but with AEW, he hits the nail on the head often. There are a lot of glaring issues that are keeping them from growing. Cornette lost all ground when he started calling Penelope the words he did. guy is a parasite. SMW was some of the clunkier, goofiest, pathetic wrestling around at times and no one took it seriously - was like a comedy wrestling show almost. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 13:09:22 GMT -5
Poor show. Lots of bad basics, and open cooperation and communicating tonight. So much standing around and waiting to be hit. It seems like most of the talents in AEW have no clue what to do when mistakes happen. Jurassic Express and Bear Country was awful. The smaller member of Bear Country needs to be coached. They've also killed all of Christian's charm. He's naturally funny and upbeat, not brooding and boring. They need new minds in creative, I think. Say what you want about Cornette, but with AEW, he hits the nail on the head often. There are a lot of glaring issues that are keeping them from growing. Cornette lost all ground when he started calling Penelope the words he did. guy is a parasite. SMW was some of the clunkier, goofiest, pathetic wrestling around at times and no one took it seriously - was like a comedy wrestling show almost. He didn't say anything that bad about her. He was referring to her character. His racist rant that was released from years before is damning, IMO, but not this stuff with AEW. |
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Apr 8, 2021 15:23:43 GMT -5
Last night bled 12k live viewers from previous week's show and lost the night to TakeOver by 80k total viewers.
Still won 18-49 by .06
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Post by K5 on Apr 8, 2021 16:20:09 GMT -5
Cornette lost all ground when he started calling Penelope the words he did. guy is a parasite. SMW was some of the clunkier, goofiest, pathetic wrestling around at times and no one took it seriously - was like a comedy wrestling show almost. He didn't say anything that bad about her. He was referring to her character. if you believe that, he's working you. that's my take. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 16:49:06 GMT -5
He didn't say anything that bad about her. He was referring to her character. if you believe that, he's working you. that's my take. If you are upset by his comments, society is working you. Thanks for your take, though, I know it holds a lot of reverence and weight. He's working everyone; there's no way he believes everything he says, but the checks keep cashing and growing as he gradually gets more extreme. He's a provocateur and a showman, and every time a thin-skinned wrestler takes time out of their day to comment on it, his takes and behaviors are reinforced. |
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Post by K5 on Apr 8, 2021 17:19:34 GMT -5
if you believe that, he's working you. that's my take. If you are upset by his comments, society is working you. Thanks for your take, though, I know it holds a lot of reverence and weight. He's working everyone; there's no way he believes everything he says, but the checks keep cashing and growing as he gradually gets more extreme. He's a provocateur and a showman, and every time a thin-skinned wrestler takes time out of their day to comment on it, his takes and behaviors are reinforced. we can have opinions that differ, you don't need to slight me to make your point. upset isn't the proper description; I don't have time for someone who degraded a woman publicly for nothing other than to garner attention. there's seeking heat and then there's being a despicable person. once again, if you feel differently as you clearly do then cool, but that's my opinion. |
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Post by shenmue on Apr 8, 2021 18:23:47 GMT -5
Talking about cornette, i can't wait for his review of this episode. He has murdered good episodes so his rant on this really lackluster episode should be entertaining to say the least, even when i don't agree with him he is usually good for a laugh.
I usually really enjoy one or two matches at least each week, none last night, same with promos and apart from Jericho they didn't hit the mark for me. No big deal, you will get these shows occasionally and next week will be better you would think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 18:37:47 GMT -5
Talking about cornette, i can't wait for his review of this episode. He has murdered good episodes so his rant on this really lackluster episode should be entertaining to say the least, even when i don't agree with him he is usually good for a laugh. I usually really enjoy one or two matches at least each week, none last night, same with promos and apart from Jericho they didn't hit the mark for me. No big deal, you will get these shows occasionally and next week will be better you would think. Did you hear Brian Last's response to Sabian, Miro, and Ford, a few weeks ago? |
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Post by shenmue on Apr 8, 2021 18:51:47 GMT -5
Talking about cornette, i can't wait for his review of this episode. He has murdered good episodes so his rant on this really lackluster episode should be entertaining to say the least, even when i don't agree with him he is usually good for a laugh. I usually really enjoy one or two matches at least each week, none last night, same with promos and apart from Jericho they didn't hit the mark for me. No big deal, you will get these shows occasionally and next week will be better you would think. Did you hear Brian Last's response to Sabian, Miro, and Ford, a few weeks ago? Yes, hilarious, he was right on point i thought. |
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Post by LK3 on Apr 8, 2021 22:53:52 GMT -5
I didn’t think the show was as bad as what’s being said, but it certainly wasn’t that great.
Jericho promo was the highlight of course. Serious Jericho/Inner Circle is best for business. There can still be some humor when they’re being serious, but constantly trying to be humorous and funny seems to miss the mark more than they would like it to.
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Post by bWo on Apr 9, 2021 0:50:31 GMT -5
Poor show. Lots of bad basics, and open cooperation and communicating tonight. So much standing around and waiting to be hit. It seems like most of the talents in AEW have no clue what to do when mistakes happen. Jurassic Express and Bear Country was awful. The smaller member of Bear Country needs to be coached. They've also killed all of Christian's charm. He's naturally funny and upbeat, not brooding and boring. They need new minds in creative, I think. Say what you want about Cornette, but with AEW, he hits the nail on the head often. There are a lot of glaring issues that are keeping them from growing. guy is a parasite. SMW was some of the clunkier, goofiest, pathetic wrestling around at times and no one took it seriously - was like a comedy wrestling show almost. There's you quoting gchdmi and stating your opinion on Jim Cornette. Which leads to, Cornette lost all ground when he started calling Penelope the words he did. guy is a parasite. SMW was some of the clunkier, goofiest, pathetic wrestling around at times and no one took it seriously - was like a comedy wrestling show almost. . His racist rant that was released from years before is damning, IMO, but not this stuff with AEW. gchdmi replies to you with his opinion on the Cornette's words. Which leads to, He didn't say anything that bad about her. He was referring to her character. that's my take. You take his opinion and throw it in the garbage and say he's being worked. Which leads to, if you believe that, he's working you. that's my take. Thanks for your take, though, I know it holds a lot of reverence and weight. He's working everyone; there's no way he believes everything he says, but the checks keep cashing and growing as he gradually gets more extreme. He's a provocateur and a showman, and every time a thin-skinned wrestler takes time out of their day to comment on it, his takes and behaviors are reinforced. gchdlmnop replies to you in the same tone that you replied to him with. Which leads to, If you are upset by his comments, society is working you. Thanks for your take, though, I know it holds a lot of reverence and weight. He's working everyone; there's no way he believes everything he says, but the checks keep cashing and growing as he gradually gets more extreme. He's a provocateur and a showman, and every time a thin-skinned wrestler takes time out of their day to comment on it, his takes and behaviors are reinforced. upset isn't the proper description; I don't have time for someone who degraded a woman publicly for nothing other than to garner attention. there's seeking heat and then there's being a despicable person. once again, if you feel differently as you clearly do then cool, but that's my opinion. You claiming that he "slighted" you. No. He replied to you the same way you initially replied to him. Don't throw stones............. |
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Post by K5 on Apr 9, 2021 1:09:45 GMT -5
bWo no. him slighting me was this very direct insult: that's him directly slighting me. when I originally stated that he was being worked by Cornette I specifically added 'that's my take' to say that it's only my opinion, legitimately to avoid confrontation and not tell him he's objectively being worked.I wasn't trying to sling mud saying he was being worked, I was slinging mud at Cornette for being deceitful. I didn't have any problem with him disagreeing, and I was only pointing out that we needn't be hostile and insulting towards one another. I can see how he may have interpreted me saying Cornette was working him and others was condescending, but that wasn't my intent. I don't think saying 'Cornette is pulling the wool over your eyes' is necessarily some type of disrespect, but nonetheless, I recognize how my intent could be easily misread.
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Apr 9, 2021 1:39:13 GMT -5
bWo no. him slighting me was this very direct insult: that's him directly slighting me. when I originally stated that he was being worked by Cornette I specifically added 'that's my take' to say that it's only my opinion, legitimately to avoid confrontation and not tell him he's objectively being worked.I wasn't trying to sling mud saying he was being worked, I was slinging mud at Cornette for being deceitful. I didn't have any problem with him disagreeing, and I was only pointing out that we needn't be hostile and insulting towards one another. I can see how he may have interpreted me saying Cornette was working him and others was condescending, but that wasn't my intent. I don't think saying 'Cornette is pulling the wool over your eyes' is necessarily some type of disrespect, but nonetheless, I recognize how my intent could be easily misread. Saying to someone that their trusted media personality is purposely misleading them is akin to telling them that only people with single-digit IQ could actually believe the garbage he spews. No matter how accurate you may be, any critique or skepticism against a shock jock or opinion-spewing dunce is perceived as a direct personal attack against their audience, just as those talking heads desire. LOL |
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Post by bWo on Apr 9, 2021 2:36:02 GMT -5
bWo no. him slighting me was this very direct insult: that's him directly slighting me. when I originally stated that he was being worked by Cornette I specifically added 'that's my take' to say that it's only my opinion, legitimately to avoid confrontation and not tell him he's objectively being worked.I wasn't trying to sling mud saying he was being worked, I was slinging mud at Cornette for being deceitful. I didn't have any problem with him disagreeing, and I was only pointing out that we needn't be hostile and insulting towards one another. I can see how he may have interpreted me saying Cornette was working him and others was condescending, but that wasn't my intent. I don't think saying 'Cornette is pulling the wool over your eyes' is necessarily some type of disrespect, but nonetheless, I recognize how my intent could be easily misread. You can't say you were trying to avoid confrontation and then suggest what you said was condescending. That's contradictory. I don't have a problem with you calling out Jim Cornette or gchdmi. It was the "slight" comment that didn't seem to fit the conversation. I actually like when people on here talk about Jim Cornette given how polarizing he is. |
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Post by bWo on Apr 9, 2021 2:47:55 GMT -5
bWo no. him slighting me was this very direct insult: that's him directly slighting me. when I originally stated that he was being worked by Cornette I specifically added 'that's my take' to say that it's only my opinion, legitimately to avoid confrontation and not tell him he's objectively being worked.I wasn't trying to sling mud saying he was being worked, I was slinging mud at Cornette for being deceitful. I didn't have any problem with him disagreeing, and I was only pointing out that we needn't be hostile and insulting towards one another. I can see how he may have interpreted me saying Cornette was working him and others was condescending, but that wasn't my intent. I don't think saying 'Cornette is pulling the wool over your eyes' is necessarily some type of disrespect, but nonetheless, I recognize how my intent could be easily misread. Saying to someone that their trusted media personality is purposely misleading them is akin to telling them that only people with single-digit IQ could actually believe the garbage he spews. No matter how accurate you may be, any critique or skepticism against a shock jock or opinion-spewing dunce is perceived as a direct personal attack against their audience, just as those talking heads desire. LOL It would be a lot more productive if people would pay more attention to their own trusted media personalities that are lying to them rather than ignoring them in favor of pointing out the mistruths of others. It doesn't happen though, just as those talking heads desire. |
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Post by rkmo: Autonomous Meat Shield on Apr 9, 2021 8:51:54 GMT -5
Saying to someone that their trusted media personality is purposely misleading them is akin to telling them that only people with single-digit IQ could actually believe the garbage he spews. No matter how accurate you may be, any critique or skepticism against a shock jock or opinion-spewing dunce is perceived as a direct personal attack against their audience, just as those talking heads desire. LOL It would be a lot more productive if people would pay more attention to their own trusted media personalities that are lying to them rather than ignoring them in favor of pointing out the mistruths of others. It doesn't happen though, just as those talking heads desire. Exactly. People should think about the absurdity of an outlet claiming EVERYONE ELSE is united in some grand conspiracy against them, that literally NO ONE ELSE tells them the truth, but the network they just so happen to be currently watching is the only reputable station in the world. They should question why NO OTHER NETWORK would dare be brave enough to air reports so juicy and scandalous if the info is so airtight, sponsors be damned. They should question their belief in the movement to set aside pandemic concerns and get back to normalcy with no precautions taken if those same reporters are being paid to work from home and the head honcho who is paying said skeptics is taking those precautions himself. They should question why "earthshaking" reports from their networks can be quashed with only a threat of litigation, where any concrete evidence would otherwise support them in the court of law. They should question if the subjects of stories are really deserving of the coverage they receive, be it wholly positive or negative, and whether the perception is really that cut and dry as it would appear. They should question hypocritical statements about defeating "cancel culture" in corporate entities by issuing boycotts against corporate entities. They should question how someone can get 20 minutes on the airwaves in front of millions of viewers crying about how they are being systematically silenced by the state. They should question whether neutral root veggies and green eggs and ham and women's rights for themselves and the gender or religion of complete strangers and the stars and bars REALLY affect their personal lives in a negative manner, or if they're being fed a big ol' pantload for ratings and financial support. But some people aren't gonna do that. They're just too comfortable hearing about how they're in the right and everyone else is wrong, and that someone else is the cause for every difficulty or inconvenience in their lives. Nobody is more important than them, and they are more important than everyone else. |
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Post by K5 on Apr 9, 2021 8:52:33 GMT -5
bWo no. him slighting me was this very direct insult: that's him directly slighting me. when I originally stated that he was being worked by Cornette I specifically added 'that's my take' to say that it's only my opinion, legitimately to avoid confrontation and not tell him he's objectively being worked.I wasn't trying to sling mud saying he was being worked, I was slinging mud at Cornette for being deceitful. I didn't have any problem with him disagreeing, and I was only pointing out that we needn't be hostile and insulting towards one another. I can see how he may have interpreted me saying Cornette was working him and others was condescending, but that wasn't my intent. I don't think saying 'Cornette is pulling the wool over your eyes' is necessarily some type of disrespect, but nonetheless, I recognize how my intent could be easily misread. You can't say you were trying to avoid confrontation and then suggest what you said was condescending. That's contradictory. I don't have a problem with you calling out Jim Cornette or gchdmi. It was the "slight" comment that didn't seem to fit the conversation. I actually like when people on here talk about Jim Cornette given how polarizing he is. I said it could be perceived that way, not that it was intentionally condescending. I even explained how I attempted to not be insulting with it. once again, I don't think claiming someone is getting the wool pulled over their eyes is a slight. I understood how my words could be perceived, and so when he went on the offensive and I could see he'd taken my words that way despite my intent, instead of insulting him directly back I said we don't need to insult one another to keep things from derailing further and clarify that I wasn't trying to go for the jugular. |
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Post by Angusdacat on Apr 9, 2021 14:28:12 GMT -5
I wish they saved the Bucks turn for a 6 man with Omega/Brothers vs Hangman Page/Bucks. It would have meant more to the overall story they are telling. Although I get it if their goal is for the Moxley/Kingston tag team to have a babyface run against the Bucks for the tag titles, possibly taking them as a transition reign back to FTR
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 0:28:49 GMT -5
Man, interesting thread lol. Glad I missed it haha.
Anyways, I really didn't mind the episode at all. It obviously wasn't the same as last week, but really all I can fault it for is being pretty sloppy. Their live ones usually are though. I find the taped episodes tend to turn out much better. Long term that's a concern I suppose.
Re: Bucks turn.
To me, they've pretty much been heels the whole time in this promotion. It's been a different kind of heel, but outside of the Stadium Stampede and very early on, they've always been kinda heels to me. I like that this company is subjective that way with a lot of characters.
I assumed for a long time the payoff was Bucks/Hangman vs. Kenny/Good Brothers, and in a way I still think we get that match, but I think they're setting it up a bit differently now.
Bucks try to embrace their dark side again, but much like before, Kenny/GB don't really have their back. One way or another, this is going to cost them the tag titles at Double or Nothing. Poetically, I hope it's by no one being in their corner, much like they refused to corner Hangman against Jericho at All Out. I don't know who that means they're losing to or how, but I'm sure they can get there.
Subsequently, Hangman is going to overcome Kenny at Double or Nothing with the DO at his side to control the Good Brothers. Bucks will come out at the very end from the heel tunnel and kind of give an apology look to Hangman as he has his moment, but they'll finally start their redemption by not actually interrupting his moment. They'll eventually make amends, leading to the 6 man tag, which will lead to Kenny realizing Don was using/manipulating him, and the eventual Elite reunion and face turn. Hangman can always still be friends with babyface DO in this scenario too, it doesn't really interfere with that. He'll have gone from no friends to a million.
Lastly, Cornette is human garbage. That man is an out of touch piece of crap. I'd like to see that vicious side of Kip come out on dynamite though. He spoke with some fire on his twitch streams about Corny, and that version of Kip I could really get behind on dynamite. Kip and Penelope seem like people I'd really get along with in their shoot personalities, so I really want to find a reason to get behind him as a wrestler.
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