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Post by CM Tusk on Jun 21, 2021 15:55:28 GMT -5
Because WWE doesn’t care about niche figures that much. They aren’t going to make a Mattel figure exclusive Legends deals. Also Hercules is dead so they’d be offering it to his estate. Less incentive for them to make it happen. But they want to keep Mattel happy right? Mattel knows there is money to be made by adult collectors. The next time Mattel’s contract with WWE comes up they should push WWE to do this. Mattel knows they are going to make money off WWE regardless. People like Bill or Steve will try and make things happen but I highly doubt they have the power to convince WWE to change their Legends contracts. Also, I think you’re over estimating the demand for Hercules. |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jun 21, 2021 15:57:04 GMT -5
LOL Mattel: "Let us make Hercules or we walk!" WWE: "LOL ok bye"  |
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Post by stc13 on Jun 21, 2021 17:08:00 GMT -5
But they want to keep Mattel happy right? Mattel knows there is money to be made by adult collectors. The next time Mattel’s contract with WWE comes up they should push WWE to do this. Mattel knows they are going to make money off WWE regardless. People like Bill or Steve will try and make things happen but I highly doubt they have the power to convince WWE to change their Legends contracts. Also, I think you’re over estimating the demand for Hercules. More importantly, imo, Mattel has zero incentive to change the arrangement. Right now all of the costs for procuring talent, managing contracts, payouts, etc all falls on WWE. It's not just about cutting a check to Wrestler X for their rights. You're adding costs in legal, finance, etc to manager those contracts, track payouts, and so on. If Mattel made it an issue in license negotiations then I have zero doubt the "only use people signed by WWE" rule would be out the window in no time. But Mattel and WWE both have a financial incentive to maintain the status quo. |
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Post by razorrock on Jun 21, 2021 22:25:51 GMT -5
It's a more expensive way to go, but I've just gotten customs of a handful or 2 of people I really wanted and I don't see mattel making anytime soon. There's a whole community of people on Instagram that do this and some of them are good enough that the figures they make can EASILY pass for mattel. Some even look better than mattel figures.
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Post by mrh on Jun 21, 2021 23:39:44 GMT -5
For wrestlers like this they need to make just a simple contract and not put them under a full Legends deal. Offer Hercules a contract that is only for a Mattel action figure and nothing else. Don’t tie him down with other stipulations like not being able to sign autographs at wrestlecon ...Ect. A simple contract! We will pay you $2500 cash and .50 per figure sold. That’s simple! Because WWE doesn’t care about niche figures that much. They aren’t going to make a Mattel figure exclusive Legends deals. Also Hercules is dead so they’d be offering it to his estate. Less incentive for them to make it happen.
This is the right answer -- WWE doesn't give a crap about wrestling figures, especially not what fans want.
Otherwise, the contact like was outlined -- $2500 and .50 per figure or something -- would be happening with tons of former talent...
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jun 22, 2021 3:54:50 GMT -5
For wrestlers like this they need to make just a simple contract and not put them under a full Legends deal. Offer Hercules a contract that is only for a Mattel action figure and nothing else. Don’t tie him down with other stipulations like not being able to sign autographs at wrestlecon ...Ect. A simple contract! We will pay you $2500 cash and .50 per figure sold. That’s simple! Because WWE doesn’t care about niche figures that much. They aren’t going to make a Mattel figure exclusive Legends deals. Also Hercules is dead so they’d be offering it to his estate. Less incentive for them to make it happen. Then why are they continuing to support a legends series? |
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Post by wheeljack83 on Jun 22, 2021 3:58:29 GMT -5
Some people don’t want WWE making any merch profit off their likeness and some don’t want to be contracted with a Legends deal that might interfere with other projects or potential money. Like Angle. Also WWE isn’t going to sign anyone they are on bad terms with or who they probably feel like won’t draw enough money to be worth it. I’m also willing to bet some don’t give two sh**s if they have toys made of them or not. If this is the case, how did the Viscera and King Mabel figures get made? |
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Jun 22, 2021 12:21:02 GMT -5
Is rvd on a legends deal, just asking
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Post by mrh on Jun 22, 2021 21:27:18 GMT -5
Because WWE doesn’t care about niche figures that much. They aren’t going to make a Mattel figure exclusive Legends deals. Also Hercules is dead so they’d be offering it to his estate. Less incentive for them to make it happen. Then why are they continuing to support a legends series?
They're not actively "supporting" it -- Mattel can just make any guys WWE has. It doesn't seen like WWE is making an active effort to sign guys for toy lines.
I could be wrong -- but given the small number of new legends -- plus all the legends signing with outside companies -- that's what it looks like to me.
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Post by chaz on Jul 9, 2021 7:18:53 GMT -5
Then why are they continuing to support a legends series? They're not actively "supporting" it -- Mattel can just make any guys WWE has. It doesn't seen like WWE is making an active effort to sign guys for toy lines. I could be wrong -- but given the small number of new legends -- plus all the legends signing with outside companies -- that's what it looks like to me.
That isn’t true - WWE will have to actively agree to and sign off on a Legends line. Mattel can’t just throw around the WWE license willy-nilly and as they see fit. |
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Post by stc13 on Jul 9, 2021 12:26:13 GMT -5
They're not actively "supporting" it -- Mattel can just make any guys WWE has. It doesn't seen like WWE is making an active effort to sign guys for toy lines. I could be wrong -- but given the small number of new legends -- plus all the legends signing with outside companies -- that's what it looks like to me.
That isn’t true - WWE will have to actively agree to and sign off on a Legends line. Mattel can’t just throw around the WWE license willy-nilly and as they see fit. Sure, anything Mattel does requires licensor approval. But there has been a very clear shift away from legends content over the past few years across all aspects of WWE's content. Just because they ok'd a toy line doesn't mean they're actively investing in the overall legends program and associated content. They're two totally different things. |
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Post by newgenandy on Jul 9, 2021 18:44:22 GMT -5
Because WWE doesn’t care about niche figures that much. They aren’t going to make a Mattel figure exclusive Legends deals. Also Hercules is dead so they’d be offering it to his estate. Less incentive for them to make it happen. But they want to keep Mattel happy right? Mattel knows there is money to be made by adult collectors. The next time Mattel’s contract with WWE comes up they should push WWE to do this. Nope Mattel wants to keep wwe happy IP owners who lease their license out for figures etc get final say on who is produced, in what form / size, on the packaging design etc Mattel then want to keep retailers happy and meet their requirement for volume of stock, size of packaging etc Remember the jada metals figures - they did Seth, aj, Charlotte, rock, hhh. There were piper, warrior and other legends ones shown that never saw the light of day as wwe decided they wanted them focused on current talent only. Unfortunately the toy manufacturer has to jump through so many hoops for everyone before they even think about what the customer wants |
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Post by newgenandy on Jul 9, 2021 18:52:29 GMT -5
That isn’t true - WWE will have to actively agree to and sign off on a Legends line. Mattel can’t just throw around the WWE license willy-nilly and as they see fit. Sure, anything Mattel does requires licensor approval. But there has been a very clear shift away from legends content over the past few years across all aspects of WWE's content. Just because they ok'd a toy line doesn't mean they're actively investing in the overall legends program and associated content. They're two totally different things. Not quite across all aspects. Only 12-18 months ago wee set up a whole new legends merch website with tons and tons of stuff on, limited loot type boxes etc. They do seem very specific about when and where to use it, but I wouldn’t say there’s a shift away, I just think they are becoming more selective and using the legends banner where they get most bang for their buck They’re still now advertising on instagram content on the network like top 10 tag teams of all time. I think new day were the only modern team and hart foundation, bulldogs, kane and taker (not branded brothers of destruction for some reason), new age outlaws, hardy boys etc were all in there |
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Post by walkingturtles on Jul 9, 2021 19:30:54 GMT -5
I think Hall is one of the exceptions rather than the rule. He was over huge in WWE lore as Razor Ramon. Then he was apart of the biggest angle/stable in perhaps the history of the business. You got Razor merch, Scott Hall merch and then nWo merch.
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 9, 2021 20:41:58 GMT -5
Scott Hall is a friend of Hun'er so he probably gets paid pretty well. He is one of the guys who accepted Hun'er into the group in 1995, let him carry the bags as he should have and Hun'er pays his friend back so no money Scott Hall make surprises me. The biggest surprise is that a female wrestler called him "Hun'er" on TV and got away with it.
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Post by mrh on Jul 9, 2021 23:06:44 GMT -5
To be clear, I was saying WWE doesn't care about signing Legends for figure deals. I know if Mattel had the power like Jakks, they'd be signing all the guys we want...
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Post by shanieomaniac on Jul 10, 2021 2:34:21 GMT -5
Scott Hall is a friend of Hun'er so he probably gets paid pretty well. He is one of the guys who accepted Hun'er into the group in 1995, let him carry the bags as he should have and Hun'er pays his friend back so no money Scott Hall make surprises me. The biggest surprise is that a female wrestler called him "Hun'er" on TV and got away with it. My brain is fracturing at you spelling it "Hun'er" Like, geez, I get it. We don't pronounce our Ts. No need to call us out like that. |
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Post by LK3 on Jul 10, 2021 3:42:07 GMT -5
Scott Hall is a friend of Hun'er so he probably gets paid pretty well. He is one of the guys who accepted Hun'er into the group in 1995, let him carry the bags as he should have and Hun'er pays his friend back so no money Scott Hall make surprises me. The biggest surprise is that a female wrestler called him "Hun'er" on TV and got away with it. My brain is fracturing at you spelling it "Hun'er" Like, geez, I get it. We don't pronounce our Ts. No need to call us out like that. Welcome to the plane’arium  |
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Post by shanieomaniac on Jul 10, 2021 5:43:32 GMT -5
My brain is fracturing at you spelling it "Hun'er" Like, geez, I get it. We don't pronounce our Ts. No need to call us out like that. Welcome to the plane’arium OMG  |
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I dont know good luck 
