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Post by mrh on Sept 27, 2021 0:30:47 GMT -5
I truly don't know how many units Roadkill will sell? I feel like Sombie is way over-expanding and overestimating demand. But I guess either the previous waves will sell well or I'm wrong, or he never has to go into production on someone like Roadkill... I think there’s a market for guys like Roadkill. I’m kind of a completionist and I would want a Danny Doring to go with Roadkill. I was always a big ECW fan and even when I watch old matches a lot of them still hold up very well. I would, of course, want to see other ECW mainstays. Tajiri and Whipwreck? Yes, please. Super Crazy.
I agree there is a market -- but he probably needs to sell at least 1,000 to break even. I don't think there is that big a market.
Something like Chella is different -- that's 1 coming out every few months. Zombie is releasing 15-20 a year, in waves of 4 or 5. I can't see Roadkill selling more than a tiny amount personally
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Post by britishbrickfan on Sept 27, 2021 1:48:23 GMT -5
I truly don't know how many units Roadkill will sell? I feel like Sombie is way over-expanding and overestimating demand. But I guess either the previous waves will sell well or I'm wrong, or he never has to go into production on someone like Roadkill... I think there’s a market for guys like Roadkill. I’m kind of a completionist and I would want a Danny Doring to go with Roadkill. I was always a big ECW fan and even when I watch old matches a lot of them still hold up very well. I would, of course, want to see other ECW mainstays. Tajiri and Whipwreck? Yes, please. Super Crazy. yes there is a market, but the bigger market is for Basic and Elite/Ultimate sized figures
the Retro sized market is tiny in comparison, and of that specific market, how many of those collectors are desperate for a Roadkill figure? the Retro line was a toy, yes collectors bought them (as they do with everything) but the actual figures are toys, and Chella's pitching their figure line at the same market - figures that collectors want, but they're also toys which kids can (if the parents/collectors want them to) play with happily
yeah, parents/collectors can buy a GCW Deathmatch Cardona vs Gage pair of figures for their kids to play with, but really.... who will? most kids will be playing with their WWE or AEW figures instead
Roadkill was an ECW name, didn't do anything outside of ECW and certainly doesn't have the longevity in fans minds for a figure that non-collectors would be seeking out, so I agree that Zombie is overestimating the market for some of his figure signings
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Post by LaParka on Sept 27, 2021 7:19:39 GMT -5
Roadkill is a decent signing for an ECW retro wave, but can't see many people paying 40 plus bucks for him. a 6" scale version would be better for a guy like him as it would fit in with a better ECW collection. He was practically on a lot the ECW PPV, then he changed his look with the shirt colors later on.
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Post by loosecannon on Sept 27, 2021 10:20:34 GMT -5
I'm not going to tell Zombie how to run his business, but there has been so many signings and we don't have our first figures yet. And there's still like 5 months to go. I don't even remember who all he's signed. The market is going to quickly become flooded with retro figures next year.
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Post by newgenandy on Sept 27, 2021 12:05:00 GMT -5
I'm not going to tell Zombie how to run his business, but there has been so many signings and we don't have our first figures yet. And there's still like 5 months to go. I don't even remember who all he's signed. The market is going to quickly become flooded with retro figures next year. I’ve said that numerous times, he had series 1& 2 signed and announced and a further 3 or do series worth of names he’s announced yet not a single figure out yet Much prefer chella’s signing / release schedule |
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 27, 2021 16:16:20 GMT -5
Roadkill is a decent signing for an ECW retro wave, but can't see many people paying 40 plus bucks for him. a 6" scale version would be better for a guy like him as it would fit in with a better ECW collection. He was practically on a lot the ECW PPV, then he changed his look with the shirt colors later on. If I were to guess, I'd say his goal is to give us the most complete ECW lineup to-date, from any company. Sabu Fonzie RVD Raven Terry Funk Roadkill Pillman Doring, Sandman, Douglas, Francine, Mikey, all feel like no brainers, too, based on relationships with Major Pod/Myers. So I love seeing guys like Roadkill. Anyone who didn't have an OSFTM figure, and should have, is such a cool add imo. Not worried at all about the time these are taking. I collect Super7. I can wait, literally years, for a good product. I'm also willing to bet Zombie will have released double the number of figures Chella has put out when we're looking back on these lines two or so years from now. |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Sept 27, 2021 18:16:51 GMT -5
Step 1 - Announce line
Step 2 - Sign as much talent as you can so that your competition can't get them
Step 3 - Get Hasbro Daddy to do sketch
Step 4 - Go on forum bragging about social media followers and trash potential customers
Step 5 - Sign more talent
Step 6 - Show product that looks nothing like Hasbro Daddy sketches
Step 7 - Finally release Wave 1.
Serious note though Roadkill was a little after my time with ECW. I stopped watching in late 98 early 99 so I didn't see much of him. I think he was more of a 2000 guy. It is awesome that he is getting a figure though.
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Post by Warriah' on Sept 28, 2021 3:03:53 GMT -5
Zombie is basically the WCW of the toy world. Signing up as much talent as possible, but his product barely resembles what it's supposed to.
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Post by britishbrickfan on Sept 28, 2021 6:18:26 GMT -5
he's trying to be the NECA of the retro figure community
the problem is, the charm of retros is their toyetic/cartoonish look, whereas he's trying to make realistically detailed figures in 4.5" format
having interchangeable hands for Hebner was a good shout as a one-off gimmick for the referee, but he's now doing it for other figures meaning his lineup may soon include spare hands/heads/arms etc, which is not what retro collectors want/expect
what began as a sideline is now his business model - he's now trying to become a manufacturer of detailed figures, for a product aimed solely at the collectors community which I think will eventually just stop buying them from him
I have absolutely no interest in a Cardona or Myers figure, so didn't buy them from his first series. Same with the GCW set - I won't buy that, because I couldn't care less about Gage either. Danhausen, another pass....
he's clearly trying to target the whole market at once, rather than saying "Here's wave 1, with these figures. Wave 2 is the current indies roster. Wave 3 will be an ECW throwback series" and it's just an odd way to go about it.
he was originally doing 5 waves right? he said he had 20 guys under contract, yet now he's clearly got enough signings for 10 waves yet hasn't even released one.
far too fast, far too soon.
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Post by The Real Chillary on Sept 28, 2021 15:23:27 GMT -5
He'll fail at the feet of his own hubris
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Post by newgenandy on Sept 28, 2021 15:34:35 GMT -5
he's trying to be the NECA of the retro figure community the problem is, the charm of retros is their toyetic/cartoonish look, whereas he's trying to make realistically detailed figures in 4.5" format having interchangeable hands for Hebner was a good shout as a one-off gimmick for the referee, but he's now doing it for other figures meaning his lineup may soon include spare hands/heads/arms etc, which is not what retro collectors want/expect what began as a sideline is now his business model - he's now trying to become a manufacturer of detailed figures, for a product aimed solely at the collectors community which I think will eventually just stop buying them from him I have absolutely no interest in a Cardona or Myers figure, so didn't buy them from his first series. Same with the GCW set - I won't buy that, because I couldn't care less about Gage either. Danhausen, another pass.... he's clearly trying to target the whole market at once, rather than saying "Here's wave 1, with these figures. Wave 2 is the current indies roster. Wave 3 will be an ECW throwback series" and it's just an odd way to go about it. he was originally doing 5 waves right? he said he had 20 guys under contract, yet now he's clearly got enough signings for 10 waves yet hasn't even released one. far too fast, far too soon. Is there even a prospective date for these to be in peoples hands? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2021 5:08:45 GMT -5
If wave 1 isn’t in our hands by Xmas this would be a huge let down. He got me on wave 1 and JJ. I won’t preorder anymore without one in hand to inspect quality of plastic and carding.
The fact that there have been no updates means either there are no updates or surprise delivery.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 29, 2021 10:53:04 GMT -5
Roadkill is a decent signing for an ECW retro wave, but can't see many people paying 40 plus bucks for him. a 6" scale version would be better for a guy like him as it would fit in with a better ECW collection. He was practically on a lot the ECW PPV, then he changed his look with the shirt colors later on. If I were to guess, I'd say his goal is to give us the most complete ECW lineup to-date, from any company. Sabu Fonzie RVD Raven Terry Funk Roadkill Pillman Doring, Sandman, Douglas, Francine, Mikey, all feel like no brainers, too, based on relationships with Major Pod/Myers. So I love seeing guys like Roadkill. Anyone who didn't have an OSFTM figure, and should have, is such a cool add imo. Not worried at all about the time these are taking. I collect Super7. I can wait, literally years, for a good product. I'm also willing to bet Zombie will have released double the number of figures Chella has put out when we're looking back on these lines two or so years from now. He could also give us New Generation and Hulkamania Era waves Jeff Jarrett King Kong Bundy Mr Hughes Todd Pettengill Hercules Paul Roma One Man Gang Slick |
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Post by Rasslin.Bros on Sept 29, 2021 14:55:31 GMT -5
I won’t preorder anymore without one in hand to inspect quality of plastic and carding. I think he said Wave 2 won't go up for pre-order until Wave 1 are in our hands, so that's one less thing for us to worry about. |
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Post by newgenandy on Sept 30, 2021 2:28:32 GMT -5
I think there’s a market for guys like Roadkill. I’m kind of a completionist and I would want a Danny Doring to go with Roadkill. I was always a big ECW fan and even when I watch old matches a lot of them still hold up very well. I would, of course, want to see other ECW mainstays. Tajiri and Whipwreck? Yes, please. Super Crazy. yes there is a market, but the bigger market is for Basic and Elite/Ultimate sized figures
the Retro sized market is tiny in comparison, and of that specific market, how many of those collectors are desperate for a Roadkill figure? the Retro line was a toy, yes collectors bought them (as they do with everything) but the actual figures are toys, and Chella's pitching their figure line at the same market - figures that collectors want, but they're also toys which kids can (if the parents/collectors want them to) play with happily
yeah, parents/collectors can buy a GCW Deathmatch Cardona vs Gage pair of figures for their kids to play with, but really.... who will? most kids will be playing with their WWE or AEW figures instead
Roadkill was an ECW name, didn't do anything outside of ECW and certainly doesn't have the longevity in fans minds for a figure that non-collectors would be seeking out, so I agree that Zombie is overestimating the market for some of his figure signings
This. Look at when any new one-off figure or line is announced: MLW Storm Liger Super 7 wrestling figures AEW The one common comment “I hope they’re in scale with elites” For all the talk of the lack of first in line figures snd “I wish they could do X Y and Z” there’s thousands more figures in that scale v had to style and it’s only growing - now aew can do Owen and likely sign other legends along with their current roster |
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Post by LA Times on Sept 30, 2021 9:39:04 GMT -5
yes there is a market, but the bigger market is for Basic and Elite/Ultimate sized figures the Retro sized market is tiny in comparison, and of that specific market, how many of those collectors are desperate for a Roadkill figure? the Retro line was a toy, yes collectors bought them (as they do with everything) but the actual figures are toys, and Chella's pitching their figure line at the same market - figures that collectors want, but they're also toys which kids can (if the parents/collectors want them to) play with happily yeah, parents/collectors can buy a GCW Deathmatch Cardona vs Gage pair of figures for their kids to play with, but really.... who will? most kids will be playing with their WWE or AEW figures instead Roadkill was an ECW name, didn't do anything outside of ECW and certainly doesn't have the longevity in fans minds for a figure that non-collectors would be seeking out, so I agree that Zombie is overestimating the market for some of his figure signings
This. Look at when any new one-off figure or line is announced: MLW Storm Liger Super 7 wrestling figures AEW The one common comment “I hope they’re in scale with elites” For all the talk of the lack of first in line figures snd “I wish they could do X Y and Z” there’s thousands more figures in that scale v had to style and it’s only growing - now aew can do Owen and likely sign other legends along with their current roster Storm and Bossfight Studios Lucha Libre ended up not being in scale with WWE Elite. Were there any others? |
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Post by newgenandy on Sept 30, 2021 10:12:34 GMT -5
This. Look at when any new one-off figure or line is announced: MLW Storm Liger Super 7 wrestling figures AEW The one common comment “I hope they’re in scale with elites” For all the talk of the lack of first in line figures snd “I wish they could do X Y and Z” there’s thousands more figures in that scale v had to style and it’s only growing - now aew can do Owen and likely sign other legends along with their current roster Storm and Bossfight Studios Lucha Libre ended up not being in scale with WWE Elite. Were there any others? Most are I think But the point I’m trying to make is by asking that question people show that’s what they really want |
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Oct 1, 2021 18:41:43 GMT -5
I have Hebnar, Bravo, and Jarrett preordered with Zombie and absolutely will not order any more until I have them in hand. what he's shown sculpt wise, Bundy is the only one I care about.
At the $40 price point, I have less than 0 interest in ECW guys. And the way Zombie (and Cardona) act, it makes me not want to support them at all. I'm buying the ones I want because I want the figures. I just wish they weren't being produced by an arrogant piece of crap who feels the need to "sign" everyone under the sun but takes a year to produce figures. I think the "pre-order" for series 1 funded the tooling and production, myself. which is kind of bullshit, and not at all how toys usually work.
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Post by britishbrickfan on Oct 3, 2021 0:39:23 GMT -5
I have Hebnar, Bravo, and Jarrett preordered with Zombie and absolutely will not order any more until I have them in hand. what he's shown sculpt wise, Bundy is the only one I care about. At the $40 price point, I have less than 0 interest in ECW guys. And the way Zombie (and Cardona) act, it makes me not want to support them at all. I'm buying the ones I want because I want the figures. I just wish they weren't being produced by an arrogant piece of crap who feels the need to "sign" everyone under the sun but takes a year to produce figures. I think the "pre-order" for series 1 funded the tooling and production, myself. which is kind of bullcrap, and not at all how toys usually work. I've got Earl, Bravo, Sabu and Jarrett on order, and depending on how they are when they arrive, I'll buy RVD, Bundy and Brody definitely, maybe a couple more from later waves depending on who they are etc.
same as you, I have no interest in buying anything of Cardona or Myers, nor their mates like Sterling etc as I have no interest in paying $40 each for a jobber
Zombie seems on a mission to sign everyone not currently affiliated with a large organisation, yet his current timeline is approx. March 2022 before the first figures will be in hands - based on that timeline, he's probably got enough signed talent to last till 2030!!
once the first wave is released, I'd expect a number of waves each year but assuming the Mattel relaunch is solid, he's going to have missed out on that sweet spot of bored collectors who want/need figures now, and people waiting to see what Mattel bring out in future waves
right now, if he's not releasing (by which I mean figures in hands) at least 3 waves per year, I think he will miss out on a lot of money
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Oct 3, 2021 14:59:01 GMT -5
Per his interview that I recapped a few pages ago, Zombie wanted to put up Series 2 for order in October but also didn’t want to fall into the trap that Super7 has been in where they are selling multiple series before anything is in the hands of consumers.
I think it would be wise for ZST and the Major boys to upload this interview for free. It is quite honestly the best Zombie has ever come across and a reminder that he is not just a business man but a big fan like most of us and also a real person with a family.
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