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Post by jason88cubs on Jul 3, 2021 13:31:47 GMT -5
I say Demolition in 1990. They quietly turned, got new entrance music a 3rd member and they just were a complete different team
it absolutely killed the team.
They would come out and everyone was just kinda like "eh"
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Post by Evil Abed on Jul 3, 2021 14:05:41 GMT -5
Christian in 2011 was pretty bad imo. He was way over when he won the world title. The booking of him from losing the title through the rest of 2011 was awful and only made his turn that much worse. Even when he “won” the title back at MITB the majority of the crowd was still cheering him,
Turning Goldberg for WCW in 2000 was an awful decision, and lasted all of about a month or two. Same with Sting in ‘99 although I’m sure Hogan ruined some of their plans for that turn by playing his creative control card.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 3, 2021 14:25:18 GMT -5
Lex Luger's last two heel turns in WCW.
In 1997 the man was the most popular and over guy on the roster with the fans. In 1998 he is in NWO Wolfpac and is over huge with the fans.
In 1999.... turns heels to be with the NWO that Hogan was leading again. Did nothing.
Then later on that year he turns his gimmick around and loses the name "Lex Luger" all together and becomes "The Total Package" and wears track pants to the ring as his entrance gear.
Then he turns face by default in the Millionaire Club vs. New Blood story line and when he goes heel again and joins the Magnificent Seven group, he and Buff Bagwell become like tag team jobbers as heels.
Just so weird and odd really.
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Post by k5 on Jul 3, 2021 15:07:00 GMT -5
wmx7 is the easy choice with Austin.
goldberg in wcw for sure.
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Post by The Brain on Jul 3, 2021 15:15:00 GMT -5
I'll go with a lesser talked about turn and that is Ricky Morton turning on Gibson in 91 and joining the York Foundation.
Complete failure. You dont split up the RNR Express
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 3, 2021 17:31:57 GMT -5
I say Demolition in 1990. They quietly turned, got new entrance music a 3rd member and they just were a complete different team it absolutely killed the team. They would come out and everyone was just kinda like "eh"
Amazing how Demolition went from probably being two faces right below Hogan and Warrior in terms of popularity to no one cares at Survivor Series, Rumble and Wrestlemania. It's sad really because Ax and Smash were amazing. Crush should get a lot of blame but just as much goes to whoever's idea it was for adding Crush, the new music and making them look like losers. LOD meant nothing to WWF fans while Ax and Smash did for 3+ years. I know Ax's illness hurt the team but if he had been replaced by someone a bit more talented it might not have been so bad. I'll go with a lesser talked about turn and that is Ricky Morton turning on Gibson in 91 and joining the York Foundation. Complete failure. You dont split up the RNR Express Both guys are even tighter than brothers. Apparently Ricky went heel again on Robert in the 1990s which surprised me because both guys are inseparable as a team. You rarely see one without the other on shows. |
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 3, 2021 19:03:24 GMT -5
I'll go with a lesser talked about turn and that is Ricky Morton turning on Gibson in 91 and joining the York Foundation. Complete failure. You dont split up the RNR Express But it worked for the Rockers... |
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Post by The Brain on Jul 3, 2021 19:12:17 GMT -5
I'll go with a lesser talked about turn and that is Ricky Morton turning on Gibson in 91 and joining the York Foundation. Complete failure. You dont split up the RNR Express But it worked for the Rockers... True. Maybe Ricky needed to throw Robert through a glass window  |
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 3, 2021 19:21:06 GMT -5
Got to agree with everyone here, all of these choices were baffling.
Demolition was so over at the time, the turn was so quick, it didn't do anything for them. Though, the WWF did need a top heel tag team, especially after the addition of LOD and the end of the Colossal Connection, Brain Busters and Powers of Pain. But they should have dragged it out a little longer. A demolition vs LOD match at WM7 would have been ideal after a slow build.
WCW turning Sting in 1999 was just plain stupid, the fans did not want to boo Sting, turning him heel didn't do anything for him or WCW. As was evident that they had to turn him back face a few months later.
Same with WCW, in 2000, the only thing that WCW really had going for them was Goldberg. A lot of the top stars were not there as much and Goldberg was the only real big/popular star they had. They should have followed WWF's lead and made him the Austin to Bischoff and Russo's version of McMahon.
I would also add Bret Hart's many heel to face back to heel turns in WCW, it did nothing for his character and did nothing for any of the storylines. After awhile even fans of his got tired of it. It just seemed like the WCW writers always wanted someone to turn on someone each night and the only one they thought could do it was Bret.
Dusty Rhodes joining the NWO also comes to mind. It may have been good but after a few months they just dropped the angle all together.
Curt Henning joining the NWO, although it wasn't a bad choice, it didn't do anything for him. He would have faired much better being in the 4 Horsemen group, he would have been more valuable there instead of just being another guy of no consequence in the NWO.
Tatanka in 1994. Though it wasn't bad, it didn't do anything for him and a year later he was pretty much out of the company. They really should have turned Luger heel here and made him more like his Narcissist/Total Package character. I think a heel Luger at this time would have been better for the company than Tatanka. The USA Luger character had worn thin, him going back to heel, he could have been the guy to take the WWF title off of Bret Hart at Survivor Series 94 and dropped it to Diesel at RR95 or WM11.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 3, 2021 19:21:36 GMT -5
But it worked for the Rockers... True. Maybe Ricky needed to throw Robert through a glass window Or Robert needed to dive through the window like a coward to escape Ricky... |
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 4, 2021 6:15:10 GMT -5
All of the above listed ones are spot on.
I despised both of Austin's turns in 2001 but Jesus the Invasion ppv turn was f#ckin brutal. My God what were they thinking.
That should have been Jericho.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 4, 2021 10:09:21 GMT -5
I'll go with a lesser talked about turn and that is Ricky Morton turning on Gibson in 91 and joining the York Foundation. Complete failure. You dont split up the RNR Express
The match they had at the Bash was horrible too!
But here's one too that did nothing....
Robert Gibson's heel turn in SMW on Ricky Morton! Robert joining the Heavenly Bodies in a feud with Ricky, Smothers and Dirty White Boy was just bizarre and weird.
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Post by drifter on Jul 4, 2021 12:05:35 GMT -5
A few that weren't mentioned:
Jim Ross - Both heel attempts with him were awful. From 'bringing back' Diesel and Razor Ramon after Hall and Nash went to WCW, to his return with Dr. Death as his his enforcer as he waged war on Michael Cole for replacing him, it was just dumb.
Rikishi - Doing it for the Rock was just awful. If I remember right, he was still pretty over with the fans when they turned him, and then having it in the end he was just a hired gun for Triple H who was actually behind the whole thing, killed any sliver of a chance of him having any saving grace as a heel.
Jim Duggan - Sure it got him used some more during his later time in WCW, but it's just stupid, he turns his back on his country to side with . . . Canada. You know maybe it would have had more to if he had aligned with a country considered an enemy of the US. Sure Lance Storm was gold with his Team Canada run, but when only one main member of the faction is actually Canadian, it's just dumb.
Kevin Nash - The Finger Poke of Doom turn was just awful. It was just the final nail in the coffin of screwing up the end to Goldberg's streak too. All because Hogan hated how he wasn't part of the cool nWo, with the Wolfpac.
and a more recent one, the attempted heel turn for Becky Lynch. You had Becky busting her ass for months, picking up wins, and then earning her shot at the title. Charlotte comes back after being off of TV for a month, after also having lost several matches, then wins one match and added to the match. Then in the match, she pins Lynch, who is supposed to be her friend, to win the title. So after all that, Becky attacks Charlotte, and they think the fans were going to boo Becky? At least that mess allowed Becky to finally force Vince to see, the fans wanted her as the woman. Basically another Daniel Bryan case, where they couldn't ignore what the fans wanted.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 5, 2021 1:02:24 GMT -5
The Road Warriors' heel turn in '88 automatically comes to mind. It didn't matter to whom they did damage, the crowds didn't want to boo them. Even the ghastly image of them trying to drive a spike into Dusty's eye didn't diminish their support. That turn was ill-conceived, which is why it was abandoned so quickly.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jul 5, 2021 9:00:49 GMT -5
Thank God we cannot discuss anything from the last 5 years because that list would be very very long. Classic ones that spring to mind are: Sting & later Goldberg in WCW. No one needed to see that, no one wanted to see that. It was creative negligent malpractice.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 5, 2021 9:28:34 GMT -5
Billy Gunn's heel turn in April of 1999 comes to mind too.
They split up the biggest tag team they ever had, and for what?? A crappy KOTR title reign that nobody cares to talk about or remembers, only to put Road Dogg and Billy Gunn back together against in September.
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Post by mrmonkeyofficial on Jul 5, 2021 13:31:05 GMT -5
Recent one, but Tucker of Heavy Machinery, he never even got a chance, they turned him heel, and then he was jobbing and in the 24/7 stuff
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Jul 5, 2021 13:47:35 GMT -5
jeff hardy in 2003 right before he left.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Jul 5, 2021 22:12:55 GMT -5
But it worked for the Rockers... True. Maybe Ricky needed to throw Robert through a glass window That coward Robert dived through the window to escape Ricky! |
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Post by The Brain on Jul 5, 2021 22:29:05 GMT -5
True. Maybe Ricky needed to throw Robert through a glass window That coward Robert dived through the window to escape Ricky!  |
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