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Post by Mongo Bears on Jul 25, 2021 14:51:38 GMT -5
The more I’m thinking of this the more it’s reminding of me of the time when I stopped liking wwf and started watching wcw.
This was a dumb choice. They’ll need to reveal more about potential upcoming sets or else I’m putting the blame on them if it fails
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Post by Elitemainia on Jul 25, 2021 15:18:53 GMT -5
I'm sure they have big plans for this project and it's going to suck if this fails cause they will probably never try this again. But the ring is really the big drag for me I have so many rings plus the wrestler choice was not the best in my opinion I mean they have already made multiple diseals and have made 2 doinks so the only thing is the entrance for me. They should have chose a better Era then this. the attitude Era would have been the best choice and done a first time in the line figure to help boost the backers. I'm not surprised mattel does some odd decisions like this look at the ring attire the choose for figures.
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 25, 2021 15:31:34 GMT -5
It’s funny to me because before this reveal this site had a LOT of love for the New Generation. Tons of requests for New Generation stuff. Tons of hype about other companies making New Generation wrestlers. Go look at the classic board, they love the New Generation over there. But because they went with two guys that already have figures instead of wrestlers that don’t even have under contract like Jarrett, it’s all a “bad choice.” Even though many people are claiming that if it were a different era and had different figures (of people who already have figures) it would sell better. So it sounds like the issue isn’t that it’s another Doink and Diesel, it’s that they are the figures the people who aren’t backing don’t want.
Then you have people not backing because they didn’t get the Slaughter figure. That’ll show them! You’re mad you didn’t get a figure and that’s your reasoning. But all your spite is doing is insuring no one gets this. It’s not like you aren’t going to continue buying Mattel figures. So Mattel is getting your money either way.
Finally, you have all the people saying “Nobody needs a ring!” though a lot of people are saying the ring is what they want the most here. I don’t want the ring but I’m not going to assume that no one does. It’s a very cool idea. As someone that has broken down a ring many times in my life, it’s cools to see a toy one with the boards and everything. So even though I don’t need a ring I’m still backing this in hope that it goes through, especially for those who do want it.
If it’s not a set for you, that’s cool. But holy hell the people that continue to post in their thread about all the things this should have been and why it’s a bad idea and why they aren’t supporting it, over and over again, aren’t getting us anywhere. We get it, it’s not what you want. Spend your money elsewhere. Idk.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 25, 2021 15:34:22 GMT -5
What I’m saying is the mass producing costs money but also presents the opportunity to make the money back. Making the mold and throwing it away is solely a waste of money. And I’m sure they spent a good amount just making the Doink molds, that’s the hard work here. The machines do the rest…it’s expensive, yes, but it also is profitable where as right now, they’re just eating the bill. Remember, Mattel’s consumer is not us. Their consumer is retail. Walmart and Target order the figs and then sell them to us. As far as Mattel is concerned, Doink will sell as good as anybody else because retail orders by the case. Worse case scenario here, Doinks clog the shelves and Target/ Walmart says, don’t give us anymore Doinks please haha. But by that time, Mattel will have already made their money off that Doink mold…they just won’t make any new ones. They still care about the long-term health of any line they produce - they're not going to just toss out any midcarder at that price point and shrug when it clogs things up at retail.
Did they even make any molds for Doink parts for the campaign, or did they just kitbash a prototype from other Ultimates and parts from the previous Doink Elites?
I don’t think Doink would be this total failure he’s being made out to be honestly haha. I think if this Kickstarter proved anything, it’s that people want that Doink. Everything is a gamble, Jake the Snake sat on shelves like no other in the recent Legends line, he’s not only getting released again, he’s the chase figure again! I don’t think the figure not doing well is so detrimental, and I don’t see Doink doing any worse than anything else such as weasel suit Heenan or anybody else that currently sits on shelves. |
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Jul 25, 2021 15:51:19 GMT -5
lol only 16% backed
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Post by razorrock on Jul 25, 2021 15:57:38 GMT -5
I would think this is a safe gamble for scalpers and collectors alike. I personally want one to display it, but I can only imagine that keeping this in the box for a couple years, it would be easy to recoup the money. Easy to recoup money keeping what you want from the set and selling the pieces or figure(s) you don't want at a premium.
Even if you back this just to turn around and sell it, if we hit that goal I'd love to see what comes next. BACK IT!!
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Post by stc13 on Jul 25, 2021 16:04:21 GMT -5
I would think this is a safe gamble for scalpers and collectors alike. I personally want one to display it, but I can only imagine that keeping this in the box for a couple years, it would be easy to recoup the money. Easy to recoup money keeping what you want from the set and selling the pieces or figure(s) you don't want at a premium. Even if you back this just to turn around and sell it, if we hit that goal I'd love to see what comes next. BACK IT!! I'd say far less than that. Previous Haslab items are all around 100-120% ROI. If this gets funded, I think there is serious resale value within 6-9 months of the ship date. |
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Post by jokerjohn on Jul 25, 2021 16:10:24 GMT -5
I find it odd that other people were excited to buy another full scale ring just to get a first time in the line referee. I know it's a different company and a different audience but to me that was too expensive to justify a purchase.
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Post by dixol on Jul 25, 2021 16:25:08 GMT -5
The more I’m thinking of this the more it’s reminding of me of the time when I stopped liking wwf and started watching wcw. This was a dumb choice. They’ll need to reveal more about potential upcoming sets or else I’m putting the blame on them if it fails Just buy it and throw away the stuff you don’t want! |
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Post by Chip on Jul 25, 2021 16:25:23 GMT -5
Do these crowd-funded projects have to be large scaled items? It makes sense for Marvel, DC, Star Wars, etc. But I feel Mattel WWE would be better off doing crowd funded multi-figure packs. Factions, tag teams, historical matches/moments, etc. Whether it’s Elites, or Ultimates. i think it would kind of be silly to "Crowfund" a $100 item though. thats probably the mentality. for the stuff you mentioned, it depends on how much they cost to make in terms of how many they need. if they can only sell 1000 of something its going to be a higher production cost than 10,000. so they would probably have to go the pre-order route like Super 7. which is what they should be doing for things. this way you know how many you're gonna make, and you let sites like Ringside buy up a bunch to sell later on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 16:27:19 GMT -5
People who think it’s to much or uou can’t afford it or whatever, just buy it, and resale it for double the price later in the year. I ain’t in it for reselling , but even if you don’t want it, let that be a reason to do it
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Post by Chip on Jul 25, 2021 16:28:03 GMT -5
if this doesnt reach its goal they will never attempt something like this again, so they would absolutely release doink & diesel as standalones because there would be no "backlash" to be had
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Post by Bramahummel on Jul 25, 2021 16:30:57 GMT -5
I would back this project but i only want it with Doink. So if it doesnt reach 7000 (how it looks like) i dont want it. Thats my problem here.
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Post by dixol on Jul 25, 2021 16:31:30 GMT -5
if this doesnt reach its goal they will never attempt something like this again, so they would absolutely release doink & diesel as standalones because there would be no "backlash" to be had AFA in the Q&A said stand-alone releases of the figures is highly unlikely. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 16:34:40 GMT -5
For those of you expecting Mattel to release UE Doink and Diesel if this crowdfunding fails are delusional. It wont happen.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 25, 2021 16:43:32 GMT -5
I would back this project but i only want it with Doink. So if it doesnt reach 7000 (how it looks like) i dont want it. Thats my problem here. Back it and then sell everything but the Doink. I don't think it's going to make it to 5000 |
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Post by kirk815 on Jul 25, 2021 16:44:32 GMT -5
if this doesnt reach its goal they will never attempt something like this again, so they would absolutely release doink & diesel as standalones because there would be no "backlash" to be had AFA in the Q&A said stand-alone releases of the figures is highly unlikely. I mean he didn't flat out say no - "highly unlikely" gives them an out. They aren't going to tell us that they will release them separately right now because it will defeat the purpose of crowd funding this. Just like they wouldn't confirm that another Goldberg would be released because they "wanted to sell a lot of rings" and Goldberg has been released since. Diesel will def get released at some point as an ultimate. He might have a different color scheme. Doink as an ultimate might be less likely, but since they still have the rights for him, I think we will see another release (probably as an elite with that jacket and/or hammer). So "highley unlikely" isn't a no and they might not be released exactly as they are presented, but I'm pretty sure there will be an UE Diesel and another Doink at some point. |
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Jul 25, 2021 16:54:23 GMT -5
AFA in the Q&A said stand-alone releases of the figures is highly unlikely. I mean he didn't flat out say no - "highly unlikely" gives them an out. They aren't going to tell us that they will release them separately right now because it will defeat the purpose of crowd funding this. Just like they wouldn't confirm that another Goldberg would be released because they "wanted to sell a lot of rings" and Goldberg has been released since. Diesel will def get released at some point as an ultimate. He might have a different color scheme. Doink as an ultimate might be less likely, but since they still have the rights for him, I think we will see another release (probably as an elite with that jacket and/or hammer). So "highley unlikely" isn't a no and they might not be released exactly as they are presented, but I'm pretty sure there will be an UE Diesel and another Doink at some point. Maybe I’m missing something, but I never saw him say anything to the effect of highly unlikely. His answer seemed to be just a way to word it to push the funding of the set… his quote below- “ They’re sculpted but not tooled which is where the bulk of the expense is. I’d love to have them as I’m sure many would buy this crowd fund is how it’s gonna happen.” Which if anyone thinks he’s going to answer different right now while they are trying to find a major project, you’re crazy. No way he comes out and says that these will be released individually - all that does is takes away from the incentive to back this project if those two are why you’re really after… I’d say to be safe, back the project and get your figures - sell the ring or the stage, or both if you want. But don’t hold out just because you think they may get an individual release down the line. |
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Post by uc on Jul 25, 2021 16:57:06 GMT -5
People who think it’s to much or uou can’t afford it or whatever, just buy it, and resale it for double the price later in the year. I ain’t in it for reselling , but even if you don’t want it, let that be a reason to do it You can probably make a decent amount of the money back reselling the parts you don't want as well if you don't want it all. there's not a massive downside outside of the paying immediately |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 17:13:12 GMT -5
Folks, if you want Doink/Diesel, back the crowdfund. Steve said they'll come in individual packaging (per his Q/A). It's that simple.
I don't care much for the ring but I want the stage and Ultimates. More importantly I want the option to do this again in the future the only way that happens is if we come through.
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