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Post by Davey on Jul 29, 2021 9:06:57 GMT -5
Lots of over analysing here but I haven't pulled the trigger yet because of space. I don't have a lot of it, and won't be able to display the ring even if i'd like to. So I'd have a big box to store somewhere.
Realistically the USP of this set is the entrance stage. That's what I want and would love to have as a backdrop for my figures. And that's what they should have released on it's own. The blue ring could be released in stores albeit without some of the cool details. (wood planks/fabric turnbuckles)
Diesel would sell in the Ultimate line.
Doink and extra ring skirts would sell fine as Ringside exclusives.
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Post by bababooey on Jul 29, 2021 9:10:15 GMT -5
People keep getting way too caught up on "value." It's a premium, limited edition item. It doesn't matter what the pieces would/should sell for individually at mass retail. This isn't a mass retail item. It's going to be priced at a premium because of it. Mass retail items are cheaper because they sell more of them, lowering the per unit cost. If people don't want the items or can't fit it into their budget, that's totally understandable. But everybody caught up on what the item should, could, or would be priced at is just spinning their wheels. Mattel priced the item at where they need it to be in order to hit their desired profit margins. They're not dropping the price, or piecing out only X and Y, or moving the goal posts closer. If it's an item someone wants, they should back the project if able. If it's not, that's fine too. But we also shouldn't be shocked if this kills future plans along with it. I 100% understand that about the entrance way. BUT, there’s no way Mattel would only sell this ring once. They’d wait a bit and then start putting new deco on it and just say “well, the *New Gen* deco was the exclusive.” They are not so slyly using this campaign to fund a new ring mold for themselves when they don’t need to. Exactly. I’ve seen more than a few times, people mentioning this would open up the possibility for more stages, Hell in a Cell, or Elimination Chamber. Those would all require another ring, since this ring has blue posts that wouldn’t match with any of those things. If this ring gets made, we’ll see it more than once |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jul 29, 2021 9:23:30 GMT -5
There’s no retail space for them to sell something this big. Target and Walmart don’t want high priced, slow to move, bulky items. If this doesn’t get funded it won’t be produced. At best, they’ll update the Main Event ring. I implore you to look around the other toy aisles next time you’re at Target or Walmart. LEGO especially has large box, expensive items with no problems moving them, but there are plenty of other examples. Building toys aren’t action figures. Totally different line of toys in a completely different aisle. And yes, for action figs exceptions are made from time to time but for the most part they tend to not to want to stock higher priced items that take up a lot of shelf space. |
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Post by stc13 on Jul 29, 2021 9:33:00 GMT -5
I implore you to look around the other toy aisles next time you’re at Target or Walmart. LEGO especially has large box, expensive items with no problems moving them, but there are plenty of other examples. Building toys aren’t action figures. Totally different line of toys in a completely different aisle. And yes, for action figs exceptions are made from time to time but for the most part they tend to not to want to stock higher priced items that take up a lot of shelf space. Yeah, there are plenty of large box items they stock. None of them are in WWE product lines. They didn't take the Jinder and Goldberg rings. They didn't pick up the Defining Moments line in any significant way, 2, 3, and 4 packs have consistently failed. There's no reason to think that we're going to see anything beyond the selection of figures, belts, basic rings, and maybe some of the kid-friendly vehicles or play sets that we've been seeing for a few years. |
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Post by micco on Jul 29, 2021 9:42:59 GMT -5
I take it you didn’t back it…? I’m not spending $250 on something I have no use for. My suggestion to you and anyone who shares your school of thought is, buy it and resell any and all items you’re not interested in. You’ll likely turn a profit and be helping see this succeed which you claim is what you want. If you can’t afford it, that’s another story altogether. |
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Post by micco on Jul 29, 2021 9:46:38 GMT -5
People keep getting way too caught up on "value." It's a premium, limited edition item. It doesn't matter what the pieces would/should sell for individually at mass retail. This isn't a mass retail item. It's going to be priced at a premium because of it. Mass retail items are cheaper because they sell more of them, lowering the per unit cost. If people don't want the items or can't fit it into their budget, that's totally understandable. But everybody caught up on what the item should, could, or would be priced at is just spinning their wheels. Mattel priced the item at where they need it to be in order to hit their desired profit margins. They're not dropping the price, or piecing out only X and Y, or moving the goal posts closer. If it's an item someone wants, they should back the project if able. If it's not, that's fine too. But we also shouldn't be shocked if this kills future plans along with it. I 100% understand that about the entrance way. BUT, there’s no way Mattel would only sell this ring once. They’d wait a bit and then start putting new deco on it and just say “well, the *New Gen* deco was the exclusive.” They are not so slyly using this campaign to fund a new ring mold for themselves when they don’t need to. That is simply not true and people need to stop lying to themselves to justify not supporting the campaign |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 29, 2021 9:47:48 GMT -5
Lego doesn’t get their truly high end stuff inside Target usually. Most of the bigger stuff stays around or under $200 that I’ve seen on shelves. For instance, you can’t go in there and buy the Daily Bugle or that $700 Star Destroyer at retail. Those are online items. Same with those Lego Ideas sets that are $3-400.
But Lego has two aisles dedicated to just their products in Target. Lego is crazy popular. And a $300 Lego can take up the same shelf space as a wrestling ring from Mattel. If Mattel had two aisles dedicated just to them we likely could get a $150 wrestling set. I think we would have if TRU was still around.
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Post by micco on Jul 29, 2021 9:49:54 GMT -5
Lots of over analysing here but I haven't pulled the trigger yet because of space. I don't have a lot of it, and won't be able to display the ring even if i'd like to. So I'd have a big box to store somewhere. Realistically the USP of this set is the entrance stage. That's what I want and would love to have as a backdrop for my figures. And that's what they should have released on it's own. The blue ring could be released in stores albeit without some of the cool details. (wood planks/fabric turnbuckles) Diesel would sell in the Ultimate line. Doink and extra ring skirts would sell fine as Ringside exclusives. Like I’ve suggested before, if I were you, and cost is not a barrier, back then project and sell what you don’t want. Mattel has stated in no uncertain terms that these items are not going to be produced of this campaign doesn’t hit the targets. |
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Post by bababooey on Jul 29, 2021 10:04:22 GMT -5
I’m not spending $250 on something I have no use for. My suggestion to you and anyone who shares your school of thought is, buy it and resell any and all items you’re not interested in. You’ll likely turn a profit and be helping see this succeed which you claim is what you want. If you can’t afford it, that’s another story altogether. For some, the idea of buying it to resell later is fine. But please realize you keep suggesting that people tie up $250 + tax + shipping for a year. For many, there’s lots they can do with that money in a year’s time. It’s really not as simple as spend the money now and sell it off later. That’s also not considering the people that don’t want to buy something they don’t want then have to go through the extra process of having to list, sell, and ship this down the line. People should only back this if they truly want it. The more people buy stuff they don’t want, the more it sends a message to Mattel that they can keep offering stuff we don’t want because we’ll buy it anyway. That doesn’t help anything. |
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Post by peterjp2 on Jul 29, 2021 10:10:47 GMT -5
If Mattel had two aisles dedicated just to them we likely could get a $150 wrestling set. I think we would have if TRU was still around. I wish this was the case in Canada were TRU is still around. Not only are the shelves for WWE or AEW mostly empty but their website is bare. |
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Post by newgenandy on Jul 29, 2021 10:50:19 GMT -5
I’m not spending $250 on something I have no use for. My suggestion to you and anyone who shares your school of thought is, buy it and resell any and all items you’re not interested in. You’ll likely turn a profit and be helping see this succeed which you claim is what you want. If you can’t afford it, that’s another story altogether. So your suggesting buying it and selling for more, isn’t that the same sort of thing people on here complain about daily? |
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Post by micco on Jul 29, 2021 13:34:05 GMT -5
My suggestion to you and anyone who shares your school of thought is, buy it and resell any and all items you’re not interested in. You’ll likely turn a profit and be helping see this succeed which you claim is what you want. If you can’t afford it, that’s another story altogether. For some, the idea of buying it to resell later is fine. But please realize you keep suggesting that people tie up $250 + tax + shipping for a year. For many, there’s lots they can do with that money in a year’s time. It’s really not as simple as spend the money now and sell it off later. That’s also not considering the people that don’t want to buy something they don’t want then have to go through the extra process of having to list, sell, and ship this down the line. People should only back this if they truly want it. The more people buy stuff they don’t want, the more it sends a message to Mattel that they can keep offering stuff we don’t want because we’ll buy it anyway. That doesn’t help anything. If 250 is too much for someone to tie up on this, I believe it would have too much no matter what they offered. I agree that it sends a message though. The message that we want more crowdfunding projects in the future. If that doesn’t matter to you, then don’t back this. |
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Post by micco on Jul 29, 2021 13:38:40 GMT -5
My suggestion to you and anyone who shares your school of thought is, buy it and resell any and all items you’re not interested in. You’ll likely turn a profit and be helping see this succeed which you claim is what you want. If you can’t afford it, that’s another story altogether. So your suggesting buying it and selling for more, isn’t that the same sort of thing people on here complain about daily? Sell it to make your money back or for whatever you want. I don’t know what’s it’s worth to you but the cost to ensure future crowdfunding projects is 250 bucks. |
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Post by jimfriend on Jul 29, 2021 14:11:36 GMT -5
So your suggesting buying it and selling for more, isn’t that the same sort of thing people on here complain about daily? Sell it to make your money back or for whatever you want. I don’t know what’s it’s worth to you but the cost to ensure future crowdfunding projects is 250 bucks. I don’t like this take. You shouldn’t have to pay to ensure crowdfunding, you should pay because you like the item. Also, this thing might hit $300-$350 on the secondary market, but I don’t think it’ll get higher than that. The only potentially interesting piece is the stage, which even then is it all that interesting? I don’t know man, it’s a lazy project with a high price tag that only interests niche New Gen collectors and potential resellers. When this thing doesn’t get backed, don’t point the finger at each other, point it at mattel. |
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Post by berealnicknaro on Jul 29, 2021 14:37:57 GMT -5
I 100% understand that about the entrance way. BUT, there’s no way Mattel would only sell this ring once. They’d wait a bit and then start putting new deco on it and just say “well, the *New Gen* deco was the exclusive.” They are not so slyly using this campaign to fund a new ring mold for themselves when they don’t need to. That is simply not true and people need to stop lying to themselves to justify not supporting the campaign How do you know? I don’t know either, but I highly doubt Mattel is going to make 5k of this ring and that’s IT. It’s a very simple and clearly reusable mold, not even close to as complex as anything Hasbro has done. At some point, the money guys are going to wonder why they’re not making more money off of it and they’re not going to care that it was promised as a crowdfunding exclusive. I also don’t need to justify not wanting a New Gen set up. I just don’t. I’m not lying to myself. AND, even if I’m wrong and this funds and they never reissue that ring again, I *still* don’t want a New Gen set up just because it’s the only ring like that. |
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Post by crush on Jul 29, 2021 14:44:57 GMT -5
Bro that ring alone is probably a 150 value. This isn’t an issue of cost, it’s an issue of Mattel taking the money prematurely, it turned everyone away day one and set the tone of a failed campaign from day one. nah, ring is $100 at most Looking at the prices of other rings, it would be $100 at least, likely closer to $120. |
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Post by micco on Jul 29, 2021 15:41:41 GMT -5
That is simply not true and people need to stop lying to themselves to justify not supporting the campaign How do you know? I don’t know either, but I highly doubt Mattel is going to make 5k of this ring and that’s IT. It’s a very simple and clearly reusable mold, not even close to as complex as anything Hasbro has done. At some point, the money guys are going to wonder why they’re not making more money off of it and they’re not going to care that it was promised as a crowdfunding exclusive. I also don’t need to justify not wanting a New Gen set up. I just don’t. I’m not lying to myself. AND, even if I’m wrong and this funds and they never reissue that ring again, I *still* don’t want a New Gen set up just because it’s the only ring like that. I’m taking them at their word. I would never use my own assumption that a company who has been extremely forthcoming an honest in the past, is lying, as the basis of not supporting something. Namely, because it is an illogical assumption. If you don’t want it, that fine, but don’t propagate misinformation that one would be able to get this ring at a later time and dissuade other from backing it. |
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Post by micco on Jul 29, 2021 15:50:15 GMT -5
Sell it to make your money back or for whatever you want. I don’t know what’s it’s worth to you but the cost to ensure future crowdfunding projects is 250 bucks. I don’t like this take. You shouldn’t have to pay to ensure crowdfunding, you should pay because you like the item. Also, this thing might hit $300-$350 on the secondary market, but I don’t think it’ll get higher than that. The only potentially interesting piece is the stage, which even then is it all that interesting? I don’t know man, it’s a lazy project with a high price tag that only interests niche New Gen collectors and potential resellers. When this thing doesn’t get backed, don’t point the finger at each other, point it at mattel. It’s not my take, it’s the fact of the matter. How else do you think you can realistically ensure future projects? By asking? We asked and this is it. If you don’t support, there won’t be another one. You don’t want to accept blame but it’s “crowdfunding”. The crowd is who’s to blame. Like with any sale, it’s take it or leave it but with this, Mattel absolved themselves of liability. The ball is in our court. This is what they proposed. They did so with the expectation that it would get backed but if it doesn’t, it’s no sweat off their brow. We’re the ones who suffer so avoiding accountability might help you sleep better at night but there’s no denying that our community will be at fault if a minimum of 5000 of us can’t reach into our pockets for a mere 250. |
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Post by stc13 on Jul 29, 2021 15:50:49 GMT -5
How do you know? I don’t know either, but I highly doubt Mattel is going to make 5k of this ring and that’s IT. It’s a very simple and clearly reusable mold, not even close to as complex as anything Hasbro has done. At some point, the money guys are going to wonder why they’re not making more money off of it and they’re not going to care that it was promised as a crowdfunding exclusive. I also don’t need to justify not wanting a New Gen set up. I just don’t. I’m not lying to myself. AND, even if I’m wrong and this funds and they never reissue that ring again, I *still* don’t want a New Gen set up just because it’s the only ring like that. I’m taking them at their word. I would never use my own assumption that a company who has been extremely forthcoming an honest in the past, is lying, as the basis of not supporting something. Namely, because it is an illogical assumption. If you don’t want it, that fine, but don’t propagate misinformation that one would be able to get this ring at a later time and dissuade other from backing it. I'm actually on the other side of the fence here. I'm absolutely assuming that the ring design will be reused unless they state otherwise, which they haven't. It doesn't impact my valuation of the set one bit. Rings are evergreen items, and there are always new collectors looking for one. WCT rings aren't going to happen again, so Mattel is probably the only option for WWE rings moving forward. If they re-release it, you may see prices dip temporarily. But there will always be demand for a ring itself. And the skirt(s) also have noteworthy value. The WCW ringskirt sets are going for $30-40. The things sat on RSC for year and years, and I think at one point were under $10. People will pay for the ring, people will pay for the ring accessories. If people don't want to back the project, that's cool. But I feel like some folks are doing some real mental gymnastics to justify why it's not "worth" it. |
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 29, 2021 15:57:44 GMT -5
Sell it to make your money back or for whatever you want. I don’t know what’s it’s worth to you but the cost to ensure future crowdfunding projects is 250 bucks. I don’t like this take. You shouldn’t have to pay to ensure crowdfunding, you should pay because you like the item. Also, this thing might hit $300-$350 on the secondary market, but I don’t think it’ll get higher than that. The only potentially interesting piece is the stage, which even then is it all that interesting? I don’t know man, it’s a lazy project with a high price tag that only interests niche New Gen collectors and potential resellers. When this thing doesn’t get backed, don’t point the finger at each other, point it at mattel. $20 elites hit 100 like a year after they’re off the shelves. $30 Ultimates hit $200 less than a year after they’re off the shelves. If you can look at the market of wrestling figures right now and think this thing will only appreciate in value by around $50 you ain’t paying attention. |
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