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Post by stc13 on Jul 30, 2021 9:39:42 GMT -5
I’m sorry but this set is like a new car- it will lose its value immediately. Nobody is gonna come along in a couple years and be willing to shell out $500+ with the shipping for this. That is basically the amount someone would need to get to turn a profit. Stores like RSC could obviously sell it for less and turn a profit but why would they. They can get instant profit off of figures so why would they tie up $300 and all that warehouse space to possibly sell a handful over the years Lol people spend 500+ on 10 year old legends figures that were on sale for $10 in stores because nobody wanted them then. You cannot look at the state of modern prices on wrestling figures and think this will lose value and claim to have any idea what you’re taking about. It seems sort of ridiculous that we're even having this argument in *this* collectibles market. There's a pretty significant track record of limited batch collectors items consistently appreciating, and even mass produced figures that were literally on clearance a few months earlier are selling for multiple times retail right now. Even if the market doesn't hold at this level, there will be significant appreciation for these kinds of items. And for those wondering, yes, I will put my money where my mouth is with this project. I've seen a lot of people saying Diesel and Doink would be "worth" $30. It doesn't take more than 20 seconds looking at ebay completed listings to know that's not the case. Maybe it doesn't matter. This is why we as a collecting community can't have nice things. |
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Post by kutzheels on Jul 30, 2021 9:50:51 GMT -5
I’m sorry but this set is like a new car- it will lose its value immediately. Nobody is gonna come along in a couple years and be willing to shell out $500+ with the shipping for this. That is basically the amount someone would need to get to turn a profit. Stores like RSC could obviously sell it for less and turn a profit but why would they. They can get instant profit off of figures so why would they tie up $300 and all that warehouse space to possibly sell a handful over the years Lol people spend 500+ on 10 year old legends figures that were on sale for $10 in stores because nobody wanted them then. You cannot look at the state of modern prices on wrestling figures and think this will lose value and claim to have any idea what you’re taking about. Yes figures that have had no other releases or maybe one other in a totally diff attire. Of course there a couple other outliers that command big money like SES Punk, RSC Bret Hart, but are you seriously comparing that to this? We are talking about a ring, yes upgraded, but a ring we have 10 times already. An ultimate Diesel and Doink that we already have multiple of in Elite form. The only new item is the entrance. Nobody is paying $500 for an entrance. Also, do you expect somebody to keep this sealed and stored away for 10 years to pray to get $500 on it just to break even? If people want this then by all means back it. If you’re a completionist then by all means back it. But if you are buying this thinking you have the next Akeem, well I think you are going to be very disappointed |
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Post by secondwhiteline on Jul 30, 2021 9:52:02 GMT -5
Lol people spend 500+ on 10 year old legends figures that were on sale for $10 in stores because nobody wanted them then. You cannot look at the state of modern prices on wrestling figures and think this will lose value and claim to have any idea what you’re taking about. It seems sort of ridiculous that we're even having this argument in *this* collectibles market. There's a pretty significant track record of limited batch collectors items consistently appreciating, and even mass produced figures that were literally on clearance a few months earlier are selling for multiple times retail right now. Even if the market doesn't hold at this level, there will be significant appreciation for these kinds of items. And for those wondering, yes, I will put my money where my mouth is with this project. I've seen a lot of people saying Diesel and Doink would be "worth" $30. It doesn't take more than 20 seconds looking at ebay completed listings to know that's not the case. Maybe it doesn't matter. This is why we as a collecting community can't have nice things. I'm absolutely at the point where I'm buying extras of favorite wrestlers to have lying around for customs/safety. After I got lucky buying some extra Kairis on sale and then watched her value spike after she left, that became a policy for me.
I didn't back, but there's no way this set doesn't appreciate like crazy if it gets made. The collectibles market right now is insane. I'm consistently selling Vinegar Syndrome Blu-Rays for 2-5x what I paid for them. It's like getting paid $50 to rent a movie.
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 30, 2021 10:08:02 GMT -5
It seems sort of ridiculous that we're even having this argument in *this* collectibles market. There's a pretty significant track record of limited batch collectors items consistently appreciating, and even mass produced figures that were literally on clearance a few months earlier are selling for multiple times retail right now. Even if the market doesn't hold at this level, there will be significant appreciation for these kinds of items. And for those wondering, yes, I will put my money where my mouth is with this project. I've seen a lot of people saying Diesel and Doink would be "worth" $30. It doesn't take more than 20 seconds looking at ebay completed listings to know that's not the case. Maybe it doesn't matter. This is why we as a collecting community can't have nice things. I'm absolutely at the point where I'm buying extras of favorite wrestlers to have lying around for customs/safety. After I got lucky buying some extra Kairis on sale and then watched her value spike after she left, that became a policy for me.
I didn't back, but there's no way this set doesn't appreciate like crazy if it gets made. The collectibles market right now is insane. I'm consistently selling Vinegar Syndrome Blu-Rays for 2-5x what I paid for them. It's like getting paid $50 to rent a movie.
I’m at the point of every time I buy a figure I’m buying a second because a few months down the line I can sell it and it’ll pay for the figure I’m keeping and then some. |
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 30, 2021 10:14:09 GMT -5
Lol people spend 500+ on 10 year old legends figures that were on sale for $10 in stores because nobody wanted them then. You cannot look at the state of modern prices on wrestling figures and think this will lose value and claim to have any idea what you’re taking about. Yes figures that have had no other releases or maybe one other in a totally diff attire. Of course there a couple other outliers that command big money like SES Punk, RSC Bret Hart, but are you seriously comparing that to this? We are talking about a ring, yes upgraded, but a ring we have 10 times already. An ultimate Diesel and Doink that we already have multiple of in Elite form. The only new item is the entrance. Nobody is paying $500 for an entrance. Also, do you expect somebody to keep this sealed and stored away for 10 years to pray to get $500 on it just to break even? If people want this then by all means back it. If you’re a completionist then by all means back it. But if you are buying this thinking you have the next Akeem, well I think you are going to be very disappointed There are literally more than a dozen Ultimate Warrior elites and his Ultimate Edition is commanding hundreds. SES Punk isn’t an outlier, it’s merely an example. Almost every single Mattel WWE figure appreciates in value as soon as it’s off store shelves and limited releases (like this ring would be) are even more sought after and command even more money. Just think, if backed there will be approximately 5000 of these rings in existence. 5000 Diesels and 5000 entrances. That’s almost nothing in the grand scheme of things. These are going to be some of the rarest wrestling collectibles under the Mattel banner. Everything in this set is going to rocket on the after market if it’s backed. If you don’t think it will you are not paying attention. |
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Post by kutzheels on Jul 30, 2021 10:25:16 GMT -5
Yes figures that have had no other releases or maybe one other in a totally diff attire. Of course there a couple other outliers that command big money like SES Punk, RSC Bret Hart, but are you seriously comparing that to this? We are talking about a ring, yes upgraded, but a ring we have 10 times already. An ultimate Diesel and Doink that we already have multiple of in Elite form. The only new item is the entrance. Nobody is paying $500 for an entrance. Also, do you expect somebody to keep this sealed and stored away for 10 years to pray to get $500 on it just to break even? If people want this then by all means back it. If you’re a completionist then by all means back it. But if you are buying this thinking you have the next Akeem, well I think you are going to be very disappointed There are literally more than a dozen Ultimate Warrior elites and his Ultimate Edition is commanding hundreds. SES Punk isn’t an outlier, it’s merely an example. Almost every single Mattel WWE figure appreciates in value as soon as it’s off store shelves and limited releases (like this ring would be) are even more sought after and command even more money. Just think, if backed there will be approximately 5000 of these rings in existence. 5000 Diesels and 5000 entrances. That’s almost nothing in the grand scheme of things. These are going to be some of the rarest wrestling collectibles under the Mattel banner. Everything in this set is going to rocket on the after market if it’s backed. If you don’t think it will you are not paying attention. I am paying attention. Other than these Legends pre-orders, I have had to pay scalper prices since WM Flashback series 2. I also didn’t start with Mattel until 2015, so for every legends, defining moments, RSC exclusive, I had to buy on ebay. I’m a MOC collector as well. I just don’t think you are realizing the shipping costs, Ebay fees, federal and state tax rate, FICA tax rate, and Medicare rate. This will have to appreciate about 66% just to break even. We aren’t talking about a $25 figure that you are selling $70 for. I don’t care what anybody says, this is a losing bet if you are buying for the sole purpose to keep sealed away to resell later. |
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Post by Chip on Jul 30, 2021 10:30:13 GMT -5
i love the argument that a Diesel ultimate wont be worth anything because we already have 3 elite Diesels....
I point you to Ultimate Edition Bret Hart selling for over $100, Shawn Michaels selling for almost $200, Triple H selling for around $100
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 30, 2021 10:36:16 GMT -5
There are literally more than a dozen Ultimate Warrior elites and his Ultimate Edition is commanding hundreds. SES Punk isn’t an outlier, it’s merely an example. Almost every single Mattel WWE figure appreciates in value as soon as it’s off store shelves and limited releases (like this ring would be) are even more sought after and command even more money. Just think, if backed there will be approximately 5000 of these rings in existence. 5000 Diesels and 5000 entrances. That’s almost nothing in the grand scheme of things. These are going to be some of the rarest wrestling collectibles under the Mattel banner. Everything in this set is going to rocket on the after market if it’s backed. If you don’t think it will you are not paying attention. I am paying attention. Other than these Legends pre-orders, I have had to pay scalper prices since WM Flashback series 2. I also didn’t start with Mattel until 2015, so for every legends, defining moments, RSC exclusive, I had to buy on ebay. I’m a MOC collector as well. I just don’t think you are realizing the shipping costs, Ebay fees, federal and state tax rate, FICA tax rate, and Medicare rate. This will have to appreciate about 66% just to break even. We aren’t talking about a $25 figure that you are selling $70 for. I don’t care what anybody says, this is a losing bet if you are buying for the sole purpose to keep sealed away to resell later. You're so far off from the reality of the secondary market it's comical. If this gets funded the pieces will sell for 3 or 4 times what they originally sold for. |
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Post by kutzheels on Jul 30, 2021 10:37:21 GMT -5
i love the argument that a Diesel ultimate wont be worth anything because we already have 3 elite Diesels.... I point you to Ultimate Edition Bret Hart selling for over $100, Shawn Michaels selling for almost $200, Triple H selling for around $100 etc. We already have this Diesel in elite form though and I didn’t say it won’t be worth anything, just the set is not going to sell for $500+. And a $100 sale on a figure that cost about $35-40 after tax depending where you bought it is not that much profit after you consider all the ebay fees and shipping cost. Add state , federal, SS, etc taxes next year as well and that profit is much less |
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 30, 2021 10:38:43 GMT -5
i love the argument that a Diesel ultimate wont be worth anything because we already have 3 elite Diesels.... I point you to Ultimate Edition Bret Hart selling for over $100, Shawn Michaels selling for almost $200, Triple H selling for around $100 etc. UE Sarge is already approaching 200 and he sold out a week ago, even with another elite Slaughter already announced and releasing soon. People drop major money on this stuff and people love owning exclusive stuff. No doubt this ring, Diesel, Doink etc would be a goldmine if backed. |
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Post by kutzheels on Jul 30, 2021 10:39:50 GMT -5
I am paying attention. Other than these Legends pre-orders, I have had to pay scalper prices since WM Flashback series 2. I also didn’t start with Mattel until 2015, so for every legends, defining moments, RSC exclusive, I had to buy on ebay. I’m a MOC collector as well. I just don’t think you are realizing the shipping costs, Ebay fees, federal and state tax rate, FICA tax rate, and Medicare rate. This will have to appreciate about 66% just to break even. We aren’t talking about a $25 figure that you are selling $70 for. I don’t care what anybody says, this is a losing bet if you are buying for the sole purpose to keep sealed away to resell later. You're so far off from the reality of the secondary market it's comical. If this gets funded the pieces will sell for 3 or 4 times what they originally sold for. I would bet I am I tune with trash scalper prices more than anyone. $900-1200 for this??? Now that is comical. I am done with this thread. Too many personal attacks and dont want it to get locked for everyone else |
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 30, 2021 11:47:41 GMT -5
A freaking Jindal Mahal that came with a ring runs $60-$75 loose and people think there isn't going to be a market for a MOC Ultimate Diesel
lol ok
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Post by Professor Sparlin on Jul 30, 2021 12:05:28 GMT -5
Personally, I hope it doesn't get backed. I don't know about you guys, but I know we will see Diesel and Doink in the Ultimates line at some point and that's all I really want from the deal. You understand that that line of thinking is exactly why they won't release them, right? There has to be some incentive for backing projects or people will always expect there to be a cheaper route. I fully expect the characters Diesel and Doink to be made in Ultimates form, regardless if these ones get backed or not. WWE owns the rights and likenesses of both characters FOREVER lol. If this doesn't get backed, we will see these characters in due time. |
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Post by ckretro74 on Jul 30, 2021 12:42:45 GMT -5
You understand that that line of thinking is exactly why they won't release them, right? There has to be some incentive for backing projects or people will always expect there to be a cheaper route. I fully expect the characters Diesel and Doink to be made in Ultimates form, regardless if these ones get backed or not. WWE owns the rights and likenesses of both characters FOREVER lol. If this doesn't get backed, we will see these characters in due time. This ^^^ If people think this the one and only way their gonna make a Diesel/Nash in UE form. Their nuts. Same with Doink. One way or another, even if repaints. They'll squeeze them out,regardless Mattel saying this is only way . SMH It's FAF at people taking it personal if this ring gets backed or not. |
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Post by Billy Snorticus on Jul 30, 2021 12:49:52 GMT -5
I fully expect the characters Diesel and Doink to be made in Ultimates form, regardless if these ones get backed or not. WWE owns the rights and likenesses of both characters FOREVER lol. If this doesn't get backed, we will see these characters in due time. This ^^^ If people think this the one and only way their gonna make a Diesel/Nash in UE form. Their nuts. Same with Doink. One way or another, even if repaints. They'll squeeze them out,regardless Mattel saying this is only way . SMH It's FAF at people taking it personal if this ring gets backed or not. there's no way people think doink the clown is gonna get an ultimate figure if this doesn't get funded |
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Post by majorpayne on Jul 30, 2021 12:58:32 GMT -5
they should give 2 months if the want 7k
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Jul 30, 2021 13:21:11 GMT -5
I don't understand the people who don't want the New Gen arena launching campaigns to dissuade others from backing it. If you don't want it, that's fine. Getting pretty sick of the amateur business students, amateur economists and morality police trying to get others to join them in the muck of irrational anger over an optional collector's item.
Someone on Instagram has launched a campaign against it, wishing others do not get it, because it isn't from the era they prefer. Some real pieces of work being exposed as just petty, ugly people who want others to not have it just because they don't want it.
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Post by chaz on Jul 30, 2021 13:38:52 GMT -5
For those saying that could sell it for three times as much or more, please give examples where modern WWE collectables have gone for $750 or more. How many people here have spent that kind of money on a WWE collectable? I would bet money on very little or even nobody has done so.
It's easy to sit here and say that the value would increase. Of course it would, most collectables do. Whether anyone in their right mind - outside of Matt Cardona or even Brian Myers - would drop that kind of money is a different story.
It's all fantasy at this point.
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Post by figdrip on Jul 30, 2021 14:09:52 GMT -5
Just because it's listed at those prices doesn't mean every seller will get that much. Just because one sells at that price doesn't mean that that's the market value; it means that's what someone was willing to pay then to that one seller. Also, I'm not an eBay or Amazon seller, but as a customer I like to buy from trusted venders whom I know will ship me my figures on time, packaged safely, and giving me everything I want. Also, if you sell on eBay (maybe other places) you run the risk that a buyer will be a *** and claim [something went wrong] and you lose everything. Just ask around for horror stories. You make it sound as if it's super easy and a sure bet. It's super cumbersome and annoying for some and too risky for others who don't have experience flipping stuff. With that said, I think the immediate payment thing IS a big reason larger backers haven't bought in. If I'm Ringside and I'm planning on buying 100 I can flip (or more), then I would def wait before I let another company earn interest off my money. I wouldn't be surprised if numbers shoot up as the deadlines nears. I just know I won't be one of those contributors (for aforementioned reasons). I mean something is only really worth what someone is willing to spend. But with these super limited items sellers will pretty much be able to ask what they want for them. If you’re even slightly patient you’d make bank on these in the aftermarket. It’s also worth pointing out that not everyone wants all parts of this set. Someone may not care for diesel but want the ring, someone may only want the diesel. By splitting up the pieces when you sell them you will also increase your potential audience beyond Mattel’s for the entire package. Sellers can ask the moon for something there is only so many big fish in this game, most in the figure game are everyday middle class people that don’t want or can’t afford to spend $500 on a toy. Anyone saying to buy this for future resale value is out of their mind. After fees and shipping this thing on eBay even if it somehow made production and doubled in value you would maybe break $150 profit after a year of storage... Not a good investment in my eyes. |
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Post by jimfriend on Jul 30, 2021 14:32:49 GMT -5
A freaking Jindal Mahal that came with a ring runs $60-$75 loose and people think there isn't going to be a market for a MOC Ultimate Diesel lol ok Lol what? I just checked that Jinder, it’s sold listings are all at roughly $30 |
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