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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 6, 2021 2:20:21 GMT -5
If this fails it’s not on Mattel they stepped up big time to help this get backed. It would solely be the fault of the business. They would have failed to meet their goal. It would show that not enough people support this hobby to make cool things like this. Not a failure on Mattel’s part they provided a path for us to have niche items but the demand isn’t there.
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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 6, 2021 2:30:27 GMT -5
If this fails it’s not on Mattel they stepped up big time to help this get backed. How does it not fall on them? They're the ones that decided on the product. Again, shifting blame to consumers because not enough people are interested in what Mattel decided to put out as a crowd funding project is absolutely ridiculous. I think adding Macho was a fantastic idea, but it may still not be enough to entice enough people. Whether that's a result of the overall price or the fact that it's a project based on the New Generation era, one of if not the lowest drawing periods in WWE history, is a whole other story. But at the end of the day, Mattel regardless of whether or not the project is successful, the praise or criticism belongs solely on Mattel, with all due respect to Bill, Steve, and the rest of the team. If this doesn’t get made it will only prove that the niche market for wrestling stuff like this just isn’t big enough for Mattel to bother with. This product if made at 5k will be worth triple if not more when it gets shipped next summer. Think about this HBK & The Rock’s UE are going for $140-$200 on EBay and Mattel made 20-25k of those. Diesel & Macho Man’s will be 5-7k made Max. These figures will be worth gold in the secondary market.....So no I don’t understand why people are not buying this unless you can’t afford it then I completely understand. I want this to get made and I also want other cool stuff down the line to get made. Mattel made mistakes with launching it asking for the money up front but they corrected it and admitted the mistake and then added not only a Macho Man UE but a table and chairs with monitors. I’m not sure what else you expect them to do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 2:32:43 GMT -5
It would solely be the fault of the business. They would have failed to meet their goal. It would show that not enough people support this hobby to make cool things like this. Not a failure on Mattel’s part they provided a path for us to have niche items but the demand isn’t there. It would literally be their fault for not enticing support, or for overestimating their customers.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Aug 6, 2021 2:36:15 GMT -5
I hope if this gets done that Savage's jacket is a bright silver and black, and not just white and black.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 2:41:58 GMT -5
How does it not fall on them? They're the ones that decided on the product. Again, shifting blame to consumers because not enough people are interested in what Mattel decided to put out as a crowd funding project is absolutely ridiculous. I think adding Macho was a fantastic idea, but it may still not be enough to entice enough people. Whether that's a result of the overall price or the fact that it's a project based on the New Generation era, one of if not the lowest drawing periods in WWE history, is a whole other story. But at the end of the day, Mattel regardless of whether or not the project is successful, the praise or criticism belongs solely on Mattel, with all due respect to Bill, Steve, and the rest of the team. If this doesn’t get made it will only prove that the niche market for wrestling stuff like this just isn’t big enough for Mattel to bother with. This product if made at 5k will be worth triple if not more when it gets shipped next summer. Think about this HBK & The Rock’s UE are going for $140-$200 on EBay and Mattel made 20-25k of those. Diesel & Macho Man’s will be 5-7k made Max. These figures will be worth gold in the secondary market.....So no I don’t understand why people are not buying this unless you can’t afford it then I completely understand. I want this to get made and I also want other cool stuff down the line to get made. Mattel made mistakes with launching it asking for the money up front but they corrected it and admitted the mistake and then added not only a Macho Man UE but a table and chairs with monitors. I’m not sure what else you expect them to do. There are many factors at play for those two UEs you mentioned; primarily, FOMO. If this gets to like 4-4.5k, I would expect a windfall to cross 5k, because FOMO would kick in. You are incorrect about the demand. It could be that 3,000 backers, at $350 per unit, would have been the sweet spot.
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 6, 2021 3:13:24 GMT -5
Looks like we just had a bunch of cancellations or maybe credit card rejections? Went from 1758 down to 1747.
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Post by chaz on Aug 6, 2021 3:31:46 GMT -5
To all the people saying, “just back it and sell pieces later on to make your money back” - here’s a challenge for you.
I’d like you all to back at least five of these, with proof of you backing it, because with your logic you can always sell bits you don’t want and reclaim your money, right?
When you all come back bitching and moaning that that’s “too expensive” or “why should I back five of these?”, you’ll know why those who DON’T want this set will not buy it just to flip it later on.
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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 6, 2021 3:45:14 GMT -5
To all the people saying, “just back it and sell pieces later on to make your money back” - here’s a challenge for you. I’d like you all to back at least five of these, with proof of you backing it, because with your logic you can always sell bits you don’t want and reclaim your money, right? When you all come back bitching and moaning that that’s “too expensive” or “why should I back five of these?”, you’ll know why those who DON’T want this set will not buy it just to flip it later on. I have backed 3 and plan to back 2 more next week. I have no idea how to post a picture on here to prove to you I did. I’m still lacking your understanding of why it’s not worth backing and flipping? You’re on this message board for over 15 years so I assume you are familiar with the after market of exclusive action figures.... So please help me understand why you won’t back it if you yourself know that these figures and ring/ stage will be worth triple if not more when you receive these items? I’m not trying to be mean or start an argument but we have wanted cool stuff like this from Mattel for a long time and now that we have a chance to get it at zero risk of it depreciating in value why are you against it? You wouldn’t give someone $250 right now to get $700-$1000 back next summer?
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Post by CM Tusk on Aug 6, 2021 4:06:29 GMT -5
Hey guys, we should fight over toys. Seems like a good way to pass time.
Looks like it dropped a couple backers but I’m sure that’ll be ok.
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Post by razorrock on Aug 6, 2021 4:07:12 GMT -5
To all the people saying, “just back it and sell pieces later on to make your money back” - here’s a challenge for you. I’d like you all to back at least five of these, with proof of you backing it, because with your logic you can always sell bits you don’t want and reclaim your money, right? When you all come back bitching and moaning that that’s “too expensive” or “why should I back five of these?”, you’ll know why those who DON’T want this set will not buy it just to flip it later on. I've backed 2 with plans to keep all of one and sell parts of a 2nd one. Considering backing a 3rd purely just to sell everything as single pieces. There's plenty of proof that under produced WWE Mattel figures of sought after characters have incredible value on the secondary market. 3 is my limit (most likely) but if I had the spare cash I would buy 10 of these purely to resell.
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Post by razorrock on Aug 6, 2021 4:15:06 GMT -5
I wonder if some people want pieces of this but don't want to spend 250, so they're crossing their fingers none of this will get made. But I'm betting that if it does get made, there's plenty of people that will spend more than they thought they would just to get a figure or figures or some other piece of this.
I know I've been guilty of this more times than I'd like to admit. Once something becomes officially rare and hard to get, the value and desire to have it goes up considerably.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 4:16:48 GMT -5
It would solely be the fault of the business. They would have failed to meet their goal. It would show that not enough people support this hobby to make cool things like this. Not a failure on Mattel’s part they provided a path for us to have niche items but the demand isn’t there. No, choosing not to buy ONE bundle in NO WAY equates to not supporting the hobby. Geez people. By your logic, you must be a completist who buys everything. If not, then you don't support the hobby 🙄
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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 6, 2021 4:20:59 GMT -5
It would show that not enough people support this hobby to make cool things like this. Not a failure on Mattel’s part they provided a path for us to have niche items but the demand isn’t there. No, choosing not to buy ONE bundle in NO WAY equates to not supporting the hobby. Geez people. By your logic, you must be a completist who buys everything. If not, then you don't support the hobby 🙄 You left off where I said “Cool Things Like This”. Of course the wrestling figure community is huge but I’m talking about niche wrestling figure products like this package. The kids that want a John Cena figure are not going to care about this.
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Post by originalniceguy on Aug 6, 2021 4:21:37 GMT -5
Definitely not starting an argument either but I'm just curious as to why people are so sure this will be worth double/triple once this ships? We all literally have access to this product at base price for a month. Those who want this item but do not purchase within that window, I assume it will be due to financial reasons. So how these same people would be able/want to pay double/triple the amount I do not know. Its not like a UE figure where the item sells out within minutes and there's the possibility to miss out because you weren't by a PC/store at the right time.
Don't get me wrong the individual items should sell for way more than their average price in the bundle immediately.. and in the long term this will be worth a fortune but I can't see quick flips for the bundle generating 3x the price right now.
By all means I do hope everyone who wants even an individual item within the bundle backs it because I don't doubt once you sell off the other bits you'll be paying pennies!
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Post by WalterF on Aug 6, 2021 4:23:44 GMT -5
For me this is pretty much a dream set. I was gonna back it regardless but w the macho and announce table etc I think it makes the value so much more. I preordered two sets so hopefully this happens
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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 6, 2021 4:27:50 GMT -5
Definitely not starting an argument either but I'm just curious as to why people are so sure this will be worth double/triple once this ships? We all literally have access to this product at base price for a month. Those who want this item but do not purchase within that window, I assume it will be due to financial reasons. So how these same people would be able/want to pay double/triple the amount I do not know. Its not like a UE figure where the item sells out within minutes and there's the possibility to miss out because you weren't by a PC/store at the right time. Don't get me wrong the individual items should sell for way more than their average price in the bundle immediately.. and in the long term this will be worth a fortune but I can't see quick flips for the bundle generating 3x the price right now. By all means I do hope everyone who wants even an individual item within the bundle backs it because I don't doubt once you sell off the other bits you'll be paying pennies! It’s like I mentioned in an earlier post Mattel made 20-25k HBK and Rock UE figures and those go for over $150 on EBay. Only 5k-7k will be made for Diesel, Macho Man and possibly Doink. We see it happen all the time that figures that were readily available skyrocket in price after they are gone from the stores. About ppl not backing this right now ....I think a lot of ppl don’t want or can’t come up with the whole $250 right now and they might like you said only want the stage or a figure. We have solid proof that WWE Mattel exclusive items go up in value there’s is no denying that.
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Post by chaz on Aug 6, 2021 4:42:31 GMT -5
To all the people saying, “just back it and sell pieces later on to make your money back” - here’s a challenge for you. I’d like you all to back at least five of these, with proof of you backing it, because with your logic you can always sell bits you don’t want and reclaim your money, right? When you all come back bitching and moaning that that’s “too expensive” or “why should I back five of these?”, you’ll know why those who DON’T want this set will not buy it just to flip it later on. I have backed 3 and plan to back 2 more next week. I have no idea how to post a picture on here to prove to you I did. I’m still lacking your understanding of why it’s not worth backing and flipping? You’re on this message board for over 15 years so I assume you are familiar with the after market of exclusive action figures.... So please help me understand why you won’t back it if you yourself know that these figures and ring/ stage will be worth triple if not more when you receive these items? I’m not trying to be mean or start an argument but we have wanted cool stuff like this from Mattel for a long time and now that we have a chance to get it at zero risk of it depreciating in value why are you against it? You wouldn’t give someone $250 right now to get $700-$1000 back next summer? No, I wouldn't - because that's not my point. The same reason I didn't buy Jabba's Sail Barge, or back any of the Marvel campaigns - I do NOT want any of those items. So why would I spend money on things I don't want to collect and don't want to spend my time and effort trying to sell at a risk, hoping they appreciate in value so quickly? It's EASY to say that they will increase value wise but nobody knows by how much and at what point that will happen, if it happens. You are correct, we all want "cool stuff" but "cool stuff" is subjective. To a lot of people, this isn't it, and for the price point it's at and with the continuous mismanagement of this campaign, it just isn't worth it. I get people want this and some people want it badly, but a lot of people don't. And those that do want it are almost foaming at the mouth with blame for those that don't and almost begging us to shell out our money and back it just so they can have some toys. That's not how collecting works. I've said all along good luck to those that want it, I hope it gets backed for those that do. But if it doesn't the blame doesn't lie with those that don't want this.
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Post by ddubs on Aug 6, 2021 5:02:22 GMT -5
I have backed 3 and plan to back 2 more next week. I have no idea how to post a picture on here to prove to you I did. I’m still lacking your understanding of why it’s not worth backing and flipping? You’re on this message board for over 15 years so I assume you are familiar with the after market of exclusive action figures.... So please help me understand why you won’t back it if you yourself know that these figures and ring/ stage will be worth triple if not more when you receive these items? I’m not trying to be mean or start an argument but we have wanted cool stuff like this from Mattel for a long time and now that we have a chance to get it at zero risk of it depreciating in value why are you against it? You wouldn’t give someone $250 right now to get $700-$1000 back next summer? No, I wouldn't - because that's not my point. The same reason I didn't buy Jabba's Sail Barge, or back any of the Marvel campaigns - I do NOT want any of those items. So why would I spend money on things I don't want to collect and don't want to spend my time and effort trying to sell at a risk, hoping they appreciate in value so quickly? It's EASY to say that they will increase value wise but nobody knows by how much and at what point that will happen, if it happens. You are correct, we all want "cool stuff" but "cool stuff" is subjective. To a lot of people, this isn't it, and for the price point it's at and with the continuous mismanagement of this campaign, it just isn't worth it. I get people want this and some people want it badly, but a lot of people don't. And those that do want it are almost foaming at the mouth with blame for those that don't and almost begging us to shell out our money and back it just so they can have some toys. That's not how collecting works. I've said all along good luck to those that want it, I hope it gets backed for those that do. But if it doesn't the blame doesn't lie with those that don't want this. In complete agreement with Chaz - I hope this gets backed but if it's struggling now for this price then the resale market will be lower than people are projecting. My reasons for not backing are; I started watching wrestling in the Attitude Era and therefore have no nostalgia for this set despite it being cool, and I just don't want to devote space to having a piece like this. The brilliance of Mattel Creations is that they will be able to hit niche items but that also means that it won't be to every collectors taste each time and that's OK. We can be selective and pick which sets appeal to us as individuals and I'm sure some sets will be more popular than others depending on wrestlers, time periods, size etc. Don't forget we are a small portion of Mattel's base on here and the New Gen set appeals to only a group of us. I hope Mattel Creations for WWE is a huge success but I'm not going to be spending money on backing something I don't want and then storing it on the hope that it increases in value.
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Post by The Real Chillary on Aug 6, 2021 5:23:44 GMT -5
I've tried staying away from commenting on this project since Macho was included, as that was a step to draw people in that was needed all along and I appluad Mattel for doing it. However, I am absolutely sick of seeing people highly supportive of this project outright vilify people who aren't interested in it. It just sums up how selfish and self-centred people on this forum can be. There is nothing in this project I want. I don't care about the stage, none of the figures are ones I'd buy at retail and I don't care about a Newgen ring. I actually like the ring, but I don't want a specific era ring. So I chose not to back it. I should not be held accountable for future projects never happening, just because I was forced to buy something I didn't want. And honestly, anyone that is pressuring others to buy and flip it later, go yourselves, seriously. So many times the majority of people bitch and moan all the time about scalpers, but I'm seeing people throw around numbers like $1000 to resell, you're scummy. I genuinely hope this gets made for people that want it. But take your heads out of your ass if you're trying to guilt trip others. We should be a community. Lets act like it.
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 6, 2021 5:24:38 GMT -5
Definitely not starting an argument either but I'm just curious as to why people are so sure this will be worth double/triple once this ships? We all literally have access to this product at base price for a month. Those who want this item but do not purchase within that window, I assume it will be due to financial reasons. So how these same people would be able/want to pay double/triple the amount I do not know. Its not like a UE figure where the item sells out within minutes and there's the possibility to miss out because you weren't by a PC/store at the right time. Don't get me wrong the individual items should sell for way more than their average price in the bundle immediately.. and in the long term this will be worth a fortune but I can't see quick flips for the bundle generating 3x the price right now. By all means I do hope everyone who wants even an individual item within the bundle backs it because I don't doubt once you sell off the other bits you'll be paying pennies! Ever seen Limited Run Games? They have a month open pre order window. Everyone has access to them. The games are usually around $30. As soon as the pre order window closes that's it, and a few months later you get your game. As soon as your game arrives it's already shot up in value. Every game I've backed I've backed 2, sold the extra within a few days of listing, and made my money back on both plus a little extra. NECA Turtles Tokka/Rahzar, etc has been the same deal. Wrestling figures are hot. Ultimates of guys like Bret, Shawn, Rock and Warrior are already fetching hundreds of dollars and they were far less limited than this Macho/Diesel/Doink will be. This will absolutely triple, quadruple in value on day one. Look at RSC exclusives. Every single time they sell out on RSC the price on the after market rockets higher and higher. This will be the same. No ifs ands or buts. I'm not going to go and back 5 of these, but I am absolutely backing 2, maybe 3 (as I might want a 2nd Macho). This is a great investment and I will be that much more satisfied knowing that I got all this exclusive stuff for free and made money doing it.
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