Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 6, 2021 5:32:12 GMT -5
I've tried staying away from commenting on this project since Macho was included, as that was a step to draw people in that was needed all along and I appluad Mattel for doing it. However, I am absolutely sick of seeing people highly supportive of this project outright vilify people who aren't interested in it. It just sums up how selfish and self-centred people on this forum can be. There is nothing in this project I want. I don't care about the stage, none of the figures are ones I'd buy at retail and I don't care about a Newgen ring. I actually like the ring, but I don't want a specific era ring. So I chose not to back it. I should not be held accountable for future projects never happening, just because I was forced to buy something I didn't want. And honestly, anyone that is pressuring others to buy and flip it later, go yourselves, seriously. So many times the majority of people bitch and moan all the time about scalpers, but I'm seeing people throw around numbers like $1000 to resell, you're scummy. I genuinely hope this gets made for people that want it. But take your heads out of your ass if you're trying to guilt trip others. We should be a community. Lets act like it. Nobody is pressuring anybody. Everybody is just sick of people coming into to derail the thread with negativity and picking arguments. Don't want to back? Cool, say it's not for you and be on your way. There's no need for the same handful of people to hang around picking arguments with people over something they don't have any interest in to begin with.
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on Aug 6, 2021 5:42:35 GMT -5
I've tried staying away from commenting on this project since Macho was included, as that was a step to draw people in that was needed all along and I appluad Mattel for doing it. However, I am absolutely sick of seeing people highly supportive of this project outright vilify people who aren't interested in it. It just sums up how selfish and self-centred people on this forum can be. There is nothing in this project I want. I don't care about the stage, none of the figures are ones I'd buy at retail and I don't care about a Newgen ring. I actually like the ring, but I don't want a specific era ring. So I chose not to back it. I should not be held accountable for future projects never happening, just because I was forced to buy something I didn't want. And honestly, anyone that is pressuring others to buy and flip it later, go yourselves, seriously. So many times the majority of people bitch and moan all the time about scalpers, but I'm seeing people throw around numbers like $1000 to resell, you're scummy. I genuinely hope this gets made for people that want it. But take your heads out of your ass if you're trying to guilt trip others. We should be a community. Lets act like it. Nobody is pressuring anybody. Everybody is just sick of people coming into to derail the thread with negativity and picking arguments. Don't want to back? Cool, say it's not for you and be on your way. There's no need for the same handful of people to hang around picking arguments with people over something they don't have any interest in to begin with. That's just not true man. Is there stupid unwarrented negativity against it? Absolutely, and I wish that would end because it helps nobody. But alot of the push back I've seen is telling people to get it anyway. Most of it coming from people with Doink in their avatar.
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Post by LA Times on Aug 6, 2021 5:59:10 GMT -5
To all the people saying, “just back it and sell pieces later on to make your money back” - here’s a challenge for you. I’d like you all to back at least five of these, with proof of you backing it, because with your logic you can always sell bits you don’t want and reclaim your money, right? When you all come back bitching and moaning that that’s “too expensive” or “why should I back five of these?”, you’ll know why those who DON’T want this set will not buy it just to flip it later on. I have backed 3 and plan to back 2 more next week. I have no idea how to post a picture on here to prove to you I did. I’m still lacking your understanding of why it’s not worth backing and flipping? You’re on this message board for over 15 years so I assume you are familiar with the after market of exclusive action figures.... So please help me understand why you won’t back it if you yourself know that these figures and ring/ stage will be worth triple if not more when you receive these items? I’m not trying to be mean or start an argument but we have wanted cool stuff like this from Mattel for a long time and now that we have a chance to get it at zero risk of it depreciating in value why are you against it? You wouldn’t give someone $250 right now to get $700-$1000 back next summer? If you sell the new generation ring, entrance stage, announce table, UE diesel and randy Savage figures next summer, you won't need a job.
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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 6, 2021 5:59:55 GMT -5
I apologize if any of my post comes across as me being an A-hole trying to get people to back this if they don’t want.....If you truly don’t want it then don’t get it I was just trying to point out that this is our only shot of getting these cool niche items and that with Mattel adding UE Macho the investment / resale value is there so even if you don’t like this or want it you could still buy it and make money off of it. Didn’t mean to offend anyone....Were all here cause we love collecting.
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Post by jacobl18 on Aug 6, 2021 6:04:31 GMT -5
I've tried staying away from commenting on this project since Macho was included, as that was a step to draw people in that was needed all along and I appluad Mattel for doing it. However, I am absolutely sick of seeing people highly supportive of this project outright vilify people who aren't interested in it. It just sums up how selfish and self-centred people on this forum can be. There is nothing in this project I want. I don't care about the stage, none of the figures are ones I'd buy at retail and I don't care about a Newgen ring. I actually like the ring, but I don't want a specific era ring. So I chose not to back it. I should not be held accountable for future projects never happening, just because I was forced to buy something I didn't want. And honestly, anyone that is pressuring others to buy and flip it later, go yourselves, seriously. So many times the majority of people bitch and moan all the time about scalpers, but I'm seeing people throw around numbers like $1000 to resell, you're scummy. I genuinely hope this gets made for people that want it. But take your heads out of your ass if you're trying to guilt trip others. We should be a community. Lets act like it. This isn’t scalping. Scalping is going into Target and buying every single DDP figure and running home and throwing them on EBay. This project allows EVERYONE to buy it right now for the same price.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Aug 6, 2021 6:12:50 GMT -5
I wonder if some people want pieces of this but don't want to spend 250, so they're crossing their fingers none of this will get made. this is absolutely the case. The negativity only started once people saw the price and people complain how "just buy it" is annoying like seeing "it's never gonna make it" isn't equally as annoying for the people who actually want this and have pledged money too it.
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Post by GBGav on Aug 6, 2021 6:23:37 GMT -5
I've tried staying away from commenting on this project since Macho was included, as that was a step to draw people in that was needed all along and I appluad Mattel for doing it. However, I am absolutely sick of seeing people highly supportive of this project outright vilify people who aren't interested in it. It just sums up how selfish and self-centred people on this forum can be. There is nothing in this project I want. I don't care about the stage, none of the figures are ones I'd buy at retail and I don't care about a Newgen ring. I actually like the ring, but I don't want a specific era ring. So I chose not to back it. I should not be held accountable for future projects never happening, just because I was forced to buy something I didn't want. And honestly, anyone that is pressuring others to buy and flip it later, go yourselves, seriously. So many times the majority of people bitch and moan all the time about scalpers, but I'm seeing people throw around numbers like $1000 to resell, you're scummy. I genuinely hope this gets made for people that want it. But take your heads out of your ass if you're trying to guilt trip others. We should be a community. Lets act like it. This isn’t scalping. Scalping is going into Target and buying every single DDP figure and running home and throwing them on EBay. This project allows EVERYONE to buy it right now for the same price. Agreed. In this case "scalping" actually helps the project because it gets the number up towards 5k quicker. Let's say someone wanted to back 100 of these to sell in his store later. All he's doing is helping the rest of you hit that 5k target. Hes not taking anything away from anyone who wants to buy one now. Personally I'm not backing it simply because I have no interest in any of the parts. Doink would be cool but if it doesn't hit that specific threshold, he's not getting made anyway. I have no space for the ring even though it looks amazing.
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Bramahummel
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Post by Bramahummel on Aug 6, 2021 6:27:00 GMT -5
Backed 2 😎 Thinking about backing a 3rd.
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Post by originalniceguy on Aug 6, 2021 6:46:04 GMT -5
Definitely not starting an argument either but I'm just curious as to why people are so sure this will be worth double/triple once this ships? We all literally have access to this product at base price for a month. Those who want this item but do not purchase within that window, I assume it will be due to financial reasons. So how these same people would be able/want to pay double/triple the amount I do not know. Its not like a UE figure where the item sells out within minutes and there's the possibility to miss out because you weren't by a PC/store at the right time. Don't get me wrong the individual items should sell for way more than their average price in the bundle immediately.. and in the long term this will be worth a fortune but I can't see quick flips for the bundle generating 3x the price right now. By all means I do hope everyone who wants even an individual item within the bundle backs it because I don't doubt once you sell off the other bits you'll be paying pennies! Ever seen Limited Run Games? They have a month open pre order window. Everyone has access to them. The games are usually around $30. As soon as the pre order window closes that's it, and a few months later you get your game. As soon as your game arrives it's already shot up in value. Every game I've backed I've backed 2, sold the extra within a few days of listing, and made my money back on both plus a little extra. NECA Turtles Tokka/Rahzar, etc has been the same deal. Wrestling figures are hot. Ultimates of guys like Bret, Shawn, Rock and Warrior are already fetching hundreds of dollars and they were far less limited than this Macho/Diesel/Doink will be. This will absolutely triple, quadruple in value on day one. Look at RSC exclusives. Every single time they sell out on RSC the price on the after market rockets higher and higher. This will be the same. No ifs ands or buts. I'm not going to go and back 5 of these, but I am absolutely backing 2, maybe 3 (as I might want a 2nd Macho). This is a great investment and I will be that much more satisfied knowing that I got all this exclusive stuff for free and made money doing it. Oh I totally agree these are going to sky rocket in value over time. My question was moreso in regards to them doubling etc shortly after its shipped. Why I feel it differs from RSC exclusives etc is that a lot of people have that mindset of "it will still be available next week" then completely miss the boat lol. With this window there's no chance of that happening. Interesting point about Limited Run Games though I'd never heard of them before. I do hope it will be a similar situation with this and we can get this over the line!
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Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 6, 2021 7:15:00 GMT -5
Ever seen Limited Run Games? They have a month open pre order window. Everyone has access to them. The games are usually around $30. As soon as the pre order window closes that's it, and a few months later you get your game. As soon as your game arrives it's already shot up in value. Every game I've backed I've backed 2, sold the extra within a few days of listing, and made my money back on both plus a little extra. NECA Turtles Tokka/Rahzar, etc has been the same deal. Wrestling figures are hot. Ultimates of guys like Bret, Shawn, Rock and Warrior are already fetching hundreds of dollars and they were far less limited than this Macho/Diesel/Doink will be. This will absolutely triple, quadruple in value on day one. Look at RSC exclusives. Every single time they sell out on RSC the price on the after market rockets higher and higher. This will be the same. No ifs ands or buts. I'm not going to go and back 5 of these, but I am absolutely backing 2, maybe 3 (as I might want a 2nd Macho). This is a great investment and I will be that much more satisfied knowing that I got all this exclusive stuff for free and made money doing it. Oh I totally agree these are going to sky rocket in value over time. My question was moreso in regards to them doubling etc shortly after its shipped. Why I feel it differs from RSC exclusives etc is that a lot of people have that mindset of "it will still be available next week" then completely miss the boat lol. With this window there's no chance of that happening. Interesting point about Limited Run Games though I'd never heard of them before. I do hope it will be a similar situation with this and we can get this over the line! Well like anything else that has the same kind of limited run, once this pre order period is over that's it. The only way to get them will be through ebay sellers or potentially any independent stores who order specifically to sell. Essentially there will be a bunch of approximately 1 of 5000 items out there. Perhaps less for Macho Man, as if say 3000 people back during this next week, and 2000 back after, then those 2000 people don't get the Macho Man. Looking at the market for Mattel's Ultimate figures, it's inconceivable that most of the parts of this campaign won't fetch triple, quadruple on day one. For anyone who really wants to play the waiting game, this is essentially a way to go back in time and get in on items that will without question end up having Hasbro Mailaway level value in years to come. For people who don't think the ring or entrance will maintain that sort of value, I would direct you to the Yellow Hasbro KOTR ring, Jakks Real Scale Hell In A Cell. This ring will be more limited than either. When people see a Wrestlemania X Macho Man listed on ebay that's boxed and they realise how few of them were actually made it's going to be pandemonium. Looking at his RSC NWO Figs, Macho King, Slim Jim etc... And given that this will be the rarest out there I think he could potentially fetch 500-600 day one.
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Post by Chip on Aug 6, 2021 7:16:38 GMT -5
a lot of people who "arent interested" in this thing at all sure have a lot of negative things to SAY about it in the thread about it.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Aug 6, 2021 7:17:07 GMT -5
Nobody is pressuring anybody. Everybody is just sick of people coming into to derail the thread with negativity and picking arguments. Don't want to back? Cool, say it's not for you and be on your way. There's no need for the same handful of people to hang around picking arguments with people over something they don't have any interest in to begin with. That's just not true man. Is there stupid unwarrented negativity against it? Absolutely, and I wish that would end because it helps nobody. But alot of the push back I've seen is telling people to get it anyway. Most of it coming from people with Doink in their avatar. Personally speaking, I'm excited that the new additions give us maybe a shot of getting this Doink now, but if somebody doesn't want this then that is totally their decision and I respect that. Whether it be for financial reasons or just personal preference as a collector. Totally fine to pass on something you have no interest on. This is something that is out of my comfort zone as well as I only have maybe a dozen WWE Mattel figures. Still, I will back a few because I did grow up with early 90s WWF so this hits all the right nostalgia buttons.
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Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 6, 2021 7:19:50 GMT -5
I'm thinking given the times that the numbers are going up, this is almost entirely Americans buying.
For anyone looking to recoup costs outside the US, this'll make your figs even more sought after. So many people don't want the hassle of importing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 7:23:47 GMT -5
a lot of people who "arent interested" in this thing at all sure have a lot of negative things to SAY about it in the thread about it. Exactly. Every post from the Goofy guy ends with “durrrr I hopes it gets made for those want it.” Yet he only shows up to spread negativity. And before somebody says “bUt iT’s A fOrUm!!!!!” Yes it’s a forum. But this specific thread is one of support for this project. If you don’t want to support it, GTFO. Seriously. Go post about things you actually are interested in or maybe even start your own thread about why you don’t like the ring so your fellow naysayers can get in the echo chamber with you. If you don’t want the set that’s completely fine. But if you keep coming in here to spread negativity against those who are getting it, you’re just dead weight. It doesn’t affect you at all. Let people be happy. At this point I think they’re just terrified of it actually being successful because then they don’t want to miss out and they might have to back it too out of their own FOMO. So as negative people tend to be, they want something good to fail. It’s pure cynicism nothing more. I love you.
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Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 6, 2021 7:26:12 GMT -5
a lot of people who "arent interested" in this thing at all sure have a lot of negative things to SAY about it in the thread about it. Exactly. Every post from the Goofy guy ends with “durrrr I hopes it gets made for those want it.” Yet he only shows up to spread negativity. And before somebody says “bUt iT’s A fOrUm!!!!!” Yes it’s a forum. But this specific thread is one of support for this project. If you don’t want to support it, GTFO. Seriously. Go post about things you actually are interested in or maybe even start your own thread about why you don’t like the ring so your fellow naysayers can get in the echo chamber with you. If you don’t want the set that’s completely fine. But if you keep coming in here to spread negativity against those who are getting it, you’re just dead weight. It doesn’t affect you at all. Let people be happy. At this point I think they’re just terrified of it actually being successful because then they don’t want to miss out and they might have to back it too out of their own FOMO. So as negative people tend to be, they want something good to fail. It’s pure cynicism nothing more. I love you. I firmly believe a lot of the negativity stems from "if it doesn't get backed then I'm not missing anything and I don't have to spend $250".
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Post by The Real Chillary on Aug 6, 2021 7:30:01 GMT -5
a lot of people who "arent interested" in this thing at all sure have a lot of negative things to SAY about it in the thread about it. Exactly. Every post from the Goofy guy ends with “durrrr I hopes it gets made for those want it.” Yet he only shows up to spread negativity. And before somebody says “bUt iT’s A fOrUm!!!!!” Yes it’s a forum. But this specific thread is one of support for this project. If you don’t want to support it, GTFO. Seriously. Go post about things you actually are interested in or maybe even start your own thread about why you don’t like the ring so your fellow naysayers can get in the echo chamber with you. If you don’t want the set that’s completely fine. But if you keep coming in here to spread negativity against those who are getting it, you’re just dead weight. It doesn’t affect you at all. Let people be happy. At this point I think they’re just terrified of it actually being successful because then they don’t want to miss out and they might have to back it too out of their own FOMO. So as negative people tend to be, they want something good to fail. It’s pure cynicism nothing more. I love you. You know you're able to quote me? And how was my post in any way negative? Lol.
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Aug 6, 2021 7:54:34 GMT -5
Look, issues I have. This Savage is REALLY tempting me. Savage and a Diesel Ultimate (hopefully with all the trimmings they would get in a single carded release...but I'm not holding my breath) are making this hard to say no. BUT I'm dealing with a lot of expenses, I'm laid up with a pretty bad knee injury and haven't been to work in two months, (even though I'm now set up to work from home until I come back, but I ACTUALLY lost salary due to being out for so much of the year due to Covid, Complications from Covid, and now this knee injury and recovery) I have bills, food, I have things I already committed to (including that Beautiful Haslab Galactus which is $425 with taxes) and other waves. I have my sister's (RIP) kids coming into town and that is going to be expensive. Plus. I don't have a huge amount of room to just put that ring and Entrance out. I assume it may also be a space issue with a LOT of people. This is beautiful and I hope it gets funded. I'd like to, maybe I look at the logistics of Selling off everything else and keeping the figures. But I'm sure there are a lot of people that are in a similar position as me...maybe not exact circumstances of course...but I make around 52 grand a year, but I still have all the bills, insurance, and I have to allocate money to hobbies and budget that so it's just not "Here, $250 bucks and tax for this? No biggie".
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Post by plastictaxicab on Aug 6, 2021 7:55:01 GMT -5
Hey everyone, some people want this, and some people don't. Some people will buy this and resell some pieces and some people don't want to. Some people think this is a cool project and some people think it's dumb. Some people think it will fail and some think it will succeed. At the end of the day, it's all opinions! It's okay that we have different opinions on here, but there is no need to keep churning the same arguments over and over trying to change the opinion of others. If you don't like this, don't support it, think it will fail, that's okay! It really is. But there really isn't any reason for you to be commenting in this thread, just pass by without comment, it's okay.
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Post by stc13 on Aug 6, 2021 8:01:49 GMT -5
Ever seen Limited Run Games? They have a month open pre order window. Everyone has access to them. The games are usually around $30. As soon as the pre order window closes that's it, and a few months later you get your game. As soon as your game arrives it's already shot up in value. Every game I've backed I've backed 2, sold the extra within a few days of listing, and made my money back on both plus a little extra. NECA Turtles Tokka/Rahzar, etc has been the same deal. Wrestling figures are hot. Ultimates of guys like Bret, Shawn, Rock and Warrior are already fetching hundreds of dollars and they were far less limited than this Macho/Diesel/Doink will be. This will absolutely triple, quadruple in value on day one. Look at RSC exclusives. Every single time they sell out on RSC the price on the after market rockets higher and higher. This will be the same. No ifs ands or buts. I'm not going to go and back 5 of these, but I am absolutely backing 2, maybe 3 (as I might want a 2nd Macho). This is a great investment and I will be that much more satisfied knowing that I got all this exclusive stuff for free and made money doing it. Oh I totally agree these are going to sky rocket in value over time. My question was moreso in regards to them doubling etc shortly after its shipped. Why I feel it differs from RSC exclusives etc is that a lot of people have that mindset of "it will still be available next week" then completely miss the boat lol. With this window there's no chance of that happening. Interesting point about Limited Run Games though I'd never heard of them before. I do hope it will be a similar situation with this and we can get this over the line! Just to give some comparison points, recent completed sales (items actually sold, not pie in the sky listings) for Haslab projects are around 100-120% of initial pricing. Some items, like Sentinels, are selling for more than double the original cost despite the item not even being released yet AND selling 20,000 units. When you look at price appreciation on UE figures, who have been produced in significant quantities and mostly available at mass retailers, it's not a stretch to think that 2 UE figures alone may come close to covering costs. Especially a premium name like Savage. These items will ship about a year from now. There are people still struggling from pandemic financial issues who may be in a much better place in a year, new collectors who just start collecting during that time, casual collectors who don't even see this project until after it's closed, and folks who only buy products once they are live and in hand. In many cases, those groups will pay a significant premium - again, see current prices on pretty recent Elites that are sold out. I'm not trying to pressure anyone to back the project. Not everyone can or wants to have cash tied up for a year, even if it's almost guaranteed to make a significant return. But the data points are pretty solid here imo, and if I can help make this project that I want happen AND make some easy money in the process, that's not an opportunity that I feel like passing up.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Aug 6, 2021 8:08:20 GMT -5
If these things are gonna at least double, possibly quadruple, in value within 12 months then take out a loan against your home and/or 401K, cash out some of your assets, and invest in about 500 of these. Turn $125K into half a million.
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