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Post by PJ on Jul 24, 2021 17:30:24 GMT -5
Beefcake has just started shipping from Target now. So you can’t get much “newer” than that.
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Post by Cammi Oh on Jul 24, 2021 17:35:28 GMT -5
What's going on with Beefcake? The Target Legends or another one? I got my Target preorder Beefcake earlier this week. Was super lucky to be online when the preorders for that set started. I got Slaughter. Missed Scareglow. Missed all of the Wal Mart WWE Masters (Andre, Bret, etc), today. I will have to check WalMarts for the Masters of the WWE. I am pretty sure Scareglow will get a regular release. Most of the classic guys are the most difficult to find. They should really let Ringside sell them so there's a chance for everyone to order one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 17:40:23 GMT -5
These will be in stores, you know that right? Patience. If people wanted a Piper from They Live, Neca made a better one. Can’t see much demand outside of people buying a bunch for customs I have not found Brutus the Barber Beefcake at stores. Nor Harley Race. Nor the new Million Dollar Man. Hogan won't be in the stores. So Patience isn't my problem ... its results that I choose to remedy. Your view on Piper is your view. I can't believe the reveal was yesterday and today it is gone. People say there is nothing we can do ... there is something that could be done. What would be wrong hypothetically if Mattel said if we could get a top 20 list that the fans voted for. After the vote you take the top 10. Show a rendering of those 10 .... I give them my money ... That would be PATIENCE! Mattel could show WWE the demand .. that could help them secure the legends deal and some. Mattel makes money. And they have over a year to execute it. They offer it to anyone in the world. No money left on the table. No middle man. Much like this crowd funding. We would all serve as marketers to try to get as many to buy these figures as possible. If it fails NOW after being around for 10 years and establishing themselves .... then no more complaining by me. The people spoke. That Piper will be hanging around Walmart’s for a while once they hit retail. Like the other guy said, patience pays off, people only grab and scalp what’s new. The legends series, they’ll all be found in stores or after a month or 2 you’ll find on eBay from $20-$30. The only ones I’ll pay around $50 for is the chase figures because I can’t bet I’ll find them in stores, yet I’ve found every legend besides Ted Dibiase chase, I paid $55 ish for him online, and that’s only because my local target is 30 min away, that’s a lot of gas money running back and forth looking for it, so I’ll save that time and spend a little more over retail for it. Actually just bought the chase Brutus for $52 also, only saves me time of driving back and forth looking, the rest I’ll wait and find them online, Big John Studd will be going for $15$-20 before to month. We all know new figs start out around $100 and they’ll drop over time as more hit retail, just have patience on the target/Walmart exclusives. The only ones I’d be worried about are the online exclusives like Slaughter/Hogan.
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Post by Old School Collector on Jul 24, 2021 17:57:32 GMT -5
So glad I sold all of mine and never looked back.
I looked at the reveals from SDCC and nothing wow’d me. Would I have bought some of the reveals ? ... yes. However, it just seems like re-releasing previous elites in their new molds and charging $10+ more for them.
The whole time I’m seeing people say that everything is sold out ... scalpers have ruined this hobby and it’s a damn shame.
Mattel are more worried about the aftermarket value of figures now that they’ve started to create a war amongst collectors ... I want zero part in something like that.
How does a company constantly have asinine distribution and purposely make less amount ot something, that they know someone would like to have.
Companies have started to adopt this “get it if you can” mentality and Mattel has followed.
Proof is in that ultimate edition ring. You’re an absolute moron if you pay $250 for that. The goal is at like 13% and it’ll never be close to making it, let alone the 8 thousand for the Doink and ring skirts.
That should be $160-$175 MAX ... absolutely crazy to think that that’ll make goal.
The mindset has now become, get more for less and make it blatantly obvious that’s what we’re doing, because we know that it wont matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 18:02:53 GMT -5
So glad I sold all of mine and never looked back. I looked at the reveals from SDCC and nothing wow’d me. Would I have bought some of the reveals ? ... yes. However, it just seems like re-releasing previous elites in their new molds and charging $10+ more for them. The whole time I’m seeing people say that everything is sold out ... scalpers have ruined this hobby and it’s a damn shame. Mattel are more worried about the aftermarket value of figures now that they’ve started to create a war amongst collectors ... I want zero part in something like that. How does a company constantly have asinine distribution and purposely make less amount ot something, that they know someone would like to have. Companies have started to adopt this “get it if you can” mentality and Mattel has followed. Proof is in that ultimate edition ring. You’re an absolute moron if you pay $250 for that. The goal is at like 13% and it’ll never be close to making it, let alone the 8 thousand for the Doink and ring skirts. That should be $160-$175 MAX ... absolutely crazy to think that that’ll make goal. The mindset has now become, get more for less and make it blatantly obvious that’s what we’re doing, because we know that it wont matter. Mattel may not see it since they make a lot of profit. But I couldn’t tell you the last time I bought something Mattel related directly from the store, maybe legends 7 Valentine? I can’t remember, but mostly now I just wait around and buy from eBay or sellers on FB pages, and I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one, the running back and forth to target is pointless, Walmart isn’t so bad since I’m close to like 4 of them. But if Mattel would figure out ways to help collectors obtain these figures instead of making it harder, I think most of these lines would last longer than 2 series.
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Post by dollarbill04 on Jul 24, 2021 18:20:20 GMT -5
All the horror stories of how nobody can get these preorders but they all sell out turn me off. Having to work when these things go up, giving me NO SHOT at them, turns me off. Driving to 3 different Walmarts and finding no Kamas (or ANY Elites) turns me off. Driving to 2 different Targets and only finding peg after peg of Chyna turns me off. Alot of this hobby is starting to turn me off.
But I'll get The Goon. I dont care how. I will get it.
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Post by boz1515 on Jul 24, 2021 18:33:21 GMT -5
A lot of this just seems like common sense to me:
1) If they make enough to meet the consumer demand, they'll make more money.
2) If they frustrate their dedicated fan base with availability, eventually there will be fewer of them and they'll make less money.
3) If I have to spend $90 to get it on Ebay instead of $20 at retail, I have less money to spend on other WWE Mattel products, so they make less money.
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Post by dynamitekido on Jul 24, 2021 18:43:07 GMT -5
I fully understand. It’s frustrating, annoying, and pointless. I felt this way years ago and mainly went to JUST collecting flashbacks. Then over the last year I started buying newer characters again, but I’ve realized why and I don’t like it. I’m buying newer characters because I’m not finding any flashbacks. I occasionally order online but I don’t preorder much anymore or care to. I’ll continue to buy what I like but this past week or so has been something else. I heard for YEARS that legends don’t sell, but they forever sellout in stores where I live and online this past week has been beyond ridiculous. They take that stance on flashbacks but everytime they wanna sell a new ring, new series, or almost anything it’s done off the back of a flashback. Then it becomes scalper fodder. Stop rewarding this behavior already (which is worse when stuff is ONLINE ONLY with bots and the like) and start rewarding actual collectors who support your product. I saw this happen with sneakers thru the years and if toy companies follow that model, a lot of collectors are gonna be pissed and BROKE. Your point is so well taken. We are TOLD Legends don't sell ... yet so many of us want them and we can't find them. I would rather wait over a year so all of us can preorder and when it is ready we will get it and support it. This 1 hour window or less is insulting and infuriating. Can’t forget how Mattel ain’t worried if you’re busy working when this presale nonsense happens. If I don’t work I can’t afford your stuff and if I work I can’t buy your stuff, so I wonder why I’m even bothering half the time. It wasn’t like this until the last couple of years.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jul 24, 2021 18:59:09 GMT -5
Harley Race was an outlier. An exception, not the rule.
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Post by omartheterror on Jul 24, 2021 19:00:55 GMT -5
A lot of this just seems like common sense to me: 1) If they make enough to meet the consumer demand, they'll make more money. 2) If they frustrate their dedicated fan base with availability, eventually there will be fewer of them and they'll make less money. 3) If I have to spend $90 to get it on Ebay instead of $20 at retail, I have less money to spend on other WWE Mattel products, so they make less money. This sums it up as well as I’ve seen. I don’t understand it.
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Post by BCizzle on Jul 24, 2021 19:44:06 GMT -5
The pandemic has brought out more scalpers. They have scalped toilet paper, gasoline, Pokemon cards. It just never ends.
Finding figures sucks. Exclusives suck even more. It’s just depressing.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 24, 2021 19:54:09 GMT -5
A lot of this just seems like common sense to me: 1) If they make enough to meet the consumer demand, they'll make more money. 2) If they frustrate their dedicated fan base with availability, eventually there will be fewer of them and they'll make less money. 3) If I have to spend $90 to get it on Ebay instead of $20 at retail, I have less money to spend on other WWE Mattel products, so they make less money. Incredible post. Logic!
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Post by Picks on Jul 24, 2021 20:03:23 GMT -5
A lot of this just seems like common sense to me: 1) If they make enough to meet the consumer demand, they'll make more money. 2) If they frustrate their dedicated fan base with availability, eventually there will be fewer of them and they'll make less money. 3) If I have to spend $90 to get it on Ebay instead of $20 at retail, I have less money to spend on other WWE Mattel products, so they make less money. Great post. I hope someone at Mattel reads this.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jul 24, 2021 20:07:41 GMT -5
In a world we are trying so hard to be INCLUSIVE…. Good job toy industry
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jul 24, 2021 22:33:34 GMT -5
This has been an aggravating week for lots of collectors. I start and stop and start and stop. If I stop again, I’m done. This was as close as I came to quitting forever as the Harley Race debacle. The only reason I returned was COVID-induced boredom/depression.
There are a few Hogan figs that I will get, and Cammo Adam Cole to finish the UE, Iraqi Slaughter, and I think that’s it. I don’t have the time or energy to play internet monitor to hopefully catch a preorder window of five minutes or less. Especially when they can pop up at any time, like Slaughter today. Mattel will be fine without my business, because they are clearly after scalpers and ride-or-die-ers and not meager 20 plus year collectors. That’s there prerogative.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 23:28:29 GMT -5
Literally every figure I wanted to preorder, I was unable to get. 0 for 4.
I totally feel you and don’t fault you for wanting to give up.
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Post by Raoul the Great on Jul 24, 2021 23:38:37 GMT -5
A major part of the problem (at least for those in the United States) is the death of Toys R Us. Since then, WWE figures have had to make due with much more limited shelf space and distribution. The addition of the AEW line has only worsened this. Your local Target or Walmart is likely to only get 1 case of a series and that’s it. If you aren’t in the right place at the right time, oh well. Recently, I checked a local Walmart two times in the same week looking for new stuff. A case AEW series 4 was put out on a day I couldn’t check, so I missed out (probably completely) on getting that set at retail.
With Toys R Us, they had a reason to keep getting more shipments of a series or set, they were all about toys. But with Target or Walmart (or any other similar store) the toy section is just one of many departments. That especially sucks for exclusives.
This in turn creates an additional problem with online sellers. Since TRU died, I have bought a lot of my figures from Amazon because it’s better to get a guaranteed figure I’m looking for than try searching stores. With AEW, I’ve had to buy almost everything from Ringside (who has definitely made out like bandits due to that line’s bad distribution). So I am forced to pay an additional $5-10 per figure on top of the already expensive $20 retail price because the odds are incredibly poor I will find them in stores. (When I started buying wrestling figures they were $8. The greed of every company jacking up their prices to $20 each has priced me out of every other figure line but wrestling.)
This week was really bad for online collecting. I will never buy from Mattel’s site again after my items were taken from my cart while I was forced to wait in the checkout queue they created because their site was unable to handle the traffic. I will pay scalper prices not to deal with that stress again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 23:43:27 GMT -5
Steve/Bill knows the collectors get short changed on these online exclusives. Any exclusive like Slaughter/Hogan etc should be up for atleast an hour . They know these things are gonna sale out fast when you put up 100-300 figures. So why not just give everybody an hour and let them buy as many as they want? Hell, if you sale 5-10k figs, make what sold and you’ll make a killing, you’re literally losing yourself money when you make 300 slaughters that sale out in 3 min and walk away with $13,500 when you could’ve put them up for an hour and say you sale 5-10k thats $450k tops. I’ll never believe the were more than 500 slaughters that went up for pre order, Mattel are just losing money on things like this.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 25, 2021 0:00:11 GMT -5
No offense to Action Figure Attack, but these false start announcements are very frustrating. How can we trust him anymore at this point? It's fairly obvious that the preorder issues with Legends are on Target's end, not Mattel's.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 25, 2021 0:03:15 GMT -5
Steve/Bill knows the collectors get short changed on these online exclusives. Any exclusive like Slaughter/Hogan etc should be up for atleast an hour . They know these things are gonna sale out fast when you put up 100-300 figures. So why not just give everybody an hour and let them buy as many as they want? Hell, if you sale 5-10k figs, make what sold and you’ll make a killing, you’re literally losing yourself money when you make 300 slaughters that sale out in 3 min and walk away with $13,500 when you could’ve put them up for an hour and say you sale 5-10k thats $450k tops. I’ll never believe the were more than 500 slaughters that went up for pre order, Mattel are just losing money on things like this. There is no way that they only made 300 Slaughters. Ringside Exclusives are around 3000 figures. The figure was in demand because it's an exclusive and people feel like they have to have everything, they made a chase so most people bought 2, and there were 2 collecting groups going after it. It sold out, that's what happened. Mattel didn't produce just 300 figures. It's not even worth the cost of making a new mold to make that few figures.
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