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Post by bababooey on Jul 31, 2021 22:24:16 GMT -5
if they are adding doink and the skirts with a higher back it must mean they could still make a "profit" on it with all of it so i want the ring, entrance stage, skirts, diesel and doink for $250 That would t work for them at less than 8k backers. As Steve pointed out in one of the other threads, their MOQ is 5k for the first tier. Production costs would increase below that amount. However, the further they get above that number, the more production costs decrease. That is what gives them the space to add the tiers at the same price. They’ve crunched the numbers and determine that at 7k, the production costs are low enough that they can produce and include Doink while maintaining the same profit margin. Same goes for the skirts at 8k.
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Post by dizcoduck on Jul 31, 2021 22:39:39 GMT -5
I get what they were going for with the character choices, but it should have been brand new first time in the lines with the only way of getting that character is to back it and not characters they've already done multiples of. I don't care that they think Ultimates are different than Elites. If they don't have the rights still for Dink, they should not have done Doink. If they had to use repeat characters this could have been a great way to get another Gorilla Monsoon out. With that said I still backed from day 1. I hope they learn from their mistakes and the next one goes better.
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Post by kgchampion on Jul 31, 2021 22:46:48 GMT -5
I don’t want the damn figures. I want the ring and the entrance and the ring skirts.
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Post by Billy Snorticus on Jul 31, 2021 23:03:02 GMT -5
should've put bertha faye in there too
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 23:06:53 GMT -5
One other aspect people haven't mentioned yet: the shipping cost. Shipping a ring is going to be expensive because you have to pay for that bulk. On top of that, you'll have the other items to pay for. I don't remember Mattel laying out shipping options as part of the down payment. What if the thing succeeds, people go to the shipping page, and then they find out the shipping is ridiculous and want to back out. Will Mattel let them?
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Post by kgchampion on Jul 31, 2021 23:17:44 GMT -5
One other aspect people haven't mentioned yet: the shipping cost. Shipping a ring is going to be expensive because you have to pay for that bulk. On top of that, you'll have the other items to pay for. I don't remember Mattel laying out shipping options as part of the down payment. What if the thing succeeds, people go to the shipping page, and then they find out the shipping is ridiculous and want to back out. Will Mattel let them? Shipping was $6 or $7 for me in Florida. It tells you at checkout what the shipping cost is.
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Post by Billy Snorticus on Jul 31, 2021 23:22:57 GMT -5
One other aspect people haven't mentioned yet: the shipping cost. Shipping a ring is going to be expensive because you have to pay for that bulk. On top of that, you'll have the other items to pay for. I don't remember Mattel laying out shipping options as part of the down payment. What if the thing succeeds, people go to the shipping page, and then they find out the shipping is ridiculous and want to back out. Will Mattel let them?
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Post by kgchampion on Jul 31, 2021 23:39:05 GMT -5
None of those prices make any sense for crowd funding. Manufacturing limited quantities is expensive because Mattel doesn’t own the factories. The machinery gets shut down to make just that specific item. The more quantities you order, the cheaper it becomes. $100 to manufacturer 5,000 entrances and 5,000 Ultimate Doinks is probably too low. Mattel also has to make some profit because it’s a business.
The Goldberg Main Event scale ring was $100 MSRP and that was mass produced and nowhere near as intricate as this ring. That came with Goldber/Jinder, a table, and chairs. Well those tables came with a $20 Elite Shane McMahon, so they’re not too expensive. The Goldberg was pretty plain and came with no accessories or separate packaging. So Goldberg and the table would sell for $20 together as a separate figure. The chairs were probably not too expensive to mass manufacture despite their size. The ring posts/turnbuckles were one solid piece. The whole ring was pretty cheap compared to Mattel’s first scale ring. The electronics were pretty cheap to manufacture, too. So the whole package together sold MSRP $100.they made a lot more than 5000 of them.
I think that $250 at 5000 was enough to cover the manufacturing cost of 5000 units of the package plus a little profit. As you grow beyond 5000 pieces, you reduce manufacturing costs and after an extra 2000 units, it eats the cost of Doink. There’s no way Mattel is being overly greedy with what they priced it at. I also don’t think crowdfunding an entrance that size at 5000 units for $100 is worth the effort on Mattel’s part. Maybe as an RSC exclusive where RSC assumes everything except for the design and manufacturing, but not a crowd funding campaign.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 31, 2021 23:49:48 GMT -5
Nothing. The only thing I would get behind is if they offered a package deal of 6 to 8 first time in the line elite legends for 100 to 150 bucks depending on the amount of figures included and I'm not holding my breath on that happening anytime soon.. Yeah, I'd much rather have figure sets (or Ultimate Edition multi-packs) too... I'm not really interested in rings/entrances/playsets etc.
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Post by The Real Chillary on Aug 1, 2021 5:29:27 GMT -5
A figure set is unreasonable and defeats the purpose of an idea like this. For Mattel anyway.
I know they wouldn't have done it, but a generic ring should have been the centre piece. One that ambiguously fits in with many eras. And I would put each tier as a figure from an era with aprons/posts that matched the time period. I You could still include the entrance and have Newgen aprons on it to start with, but have the first figure be a first time in the line.
I'm well aware this is all fantasy booking and likely highely unrealistic, but you need to cater to more than one demograhpic.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Aug 1, 2021 5:52:12 GMT -5
people need to stop playing armchair quarterback. Back it if you want to/can, don’t if you don’t want it (whatever that reason may be)
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Post by The Coach on Aug 1, 2021 6:33:14 GMT -5
people need to stop playing armchair quarterback. Back it if you want to/can, don’t if you don’t want it (whatever that reason may be) This is a forum.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Aug 1, 2021 7:40:46 GMT -5
people need to stop playing armchair quarterback. Back it if you want to/can, don’t if you don’t want it (whatever that reason may be) This is a forum. I understand that, and it’s the place to talk about the crowdfund project. But people aren’t talking about the actual package deal. Its constantly “I would of done this differently” “I would of put this character in” “I would charge this amount for this amount of product” “Mattel doesn’t know what they’re doing” Most of the “suggestions” would never fly.
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Post by WrestlingFigWig on Aug 1, 2021 11:47:04 GMT -5
I understand that, and it’s the place to talk about the crowdfund project. But people aren’t talking about the actual package deal. Its constantly “I would of done this differently” “I would of put this character in” “I would charge this amount for this amount of product” “Mattel doesn’t know what they’re doing” Most of the “suggestions” would never fly. Well it is apparent Mattel didn’t know what they were doing.
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Post by secondwhiteline on Aug 1, 2021 12:23:48 GMT -5
A figure set is unreasonable and defeats the purpose of an idea like this. For Mattel anyway. I know they wouldn't have done it, but a generic ring should have been the centre piece. One that ambiguously fits in with many eras. And I would put each tier as a figure from an era with aprons/posts that matched the time period. I You could still include the entrance and have Newgen aprons on it to start with, but have the first figure be a first time in the line. I'm well aware this is all fantasy booking and likely highely unrealistic, but you need to cater to more than one demograhpic. That's definitely the trouble here, that they need to hit broad appeal with a specialized item, and New Gen just doesn't seem to cover that ground.
Like, I love your idea because it's a crowdfunding style I've always really liked: a base item and different pledges for customization options, so you can back one or get up to all if you want. But it definitely favors smaller production runs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 12:38:40 GMT -5
How many threads about this campaign do we need?
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 1, 2021 15:39:47 GMT -5
A figure set is unreasonable and defeats the purpose of an idea like this. For Mattel anyway. I know they wouldn't have done it, but a generic ring should have been the centre piece. One that ambiguously fits in with many eras. And I would put each tier as a figure from an era with aprons/posts that matched the time period. I You could still include the entrance and have Newgen aprons on it to start with, but have the first figure be a first time in the line. I'm well aware this is all fantasy booking and likely highely unrealistic, but you need to cater to more than one demograhpic. A ring as a separate stand-alone project would be dope if it had a generic ring base at 18”x18” or 20”x20”, a collection of posts in different colors, a collection of various turnbuckle styles, a menagerie of ropes, and a collection of various historical and modern aprons. That way you could make the ring you wanted to make and it would be a small enough scale to entice people to replace their giant ASRs. I would buy 5. It would probably be expensive to manufacture so many different pieces, though.
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Post by SteveHulk on Aug 1, 2021 15:53:29 GMT -5
A figure set is unreasonable and defeats the purpose of an idea like this. For Mattel anyway. Why is it unreasonable though? Crowdfunding is usually for items that are too big or expensive for retail... and a large figure set or Ultimate Edition 3 or 4 pack would certainly fit. I'd be much more likely to back something like that.
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Post by newgenandy on Aug 1, 2021 15:56:50 GMT -5
A figure set is unreasonable and defeats the purpose of an idea like this. For Mattel anyway. Why is it unreasonable though? Crowdfunding is usually for items that are too big or expensive for retail... and a large figure set or Ultimate Edition 3 or 4 pack would certainly fit. I'd be much more likely to back something like that. 100% like the savage, luger and sting bash at the beach set - imagine that done as ultimates with soft goods, different heads with levels of face paint chipping off etc Or an nwo or old school dx (hhh, xpac, shawn and outlaws) box set
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Post by The Real Chillary on Aug 1, 2021 15:57:52 GMT -5
A figure set is unreasonable and defeats the purpose of an idea like this. For Mattel anyway. Why is it unreasonable though? Crowdfunding is usually for items that are too big or expensive for retail... and a large figure set or Ultimate Edition 3 or 4 pack would certainly fit. I'd be much more likely to back something like that. Because there a bajillion avenues to release figures. Store exclusives, online exclusives, con exclusives. There is zero need to stick a bunch of figures together in a set for crowd funding when they can just release them at retail.
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