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Post by kiloinnorcal on Sept 12, 2021 21:06:44 GMT -5
There will come a time where they just price themselves out of the market.
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Post by kgchampion on Sept 12, 2021 21:31:47 GMT -5
Speaking of QC, I just noticed my Legends Scott Hall has two right biceps. I buy far less figures than I had 5 years ago, but I’m running into far more QC issues with the wrong parts now.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 12, 2021 22:50:26 GMT -5
Mattel just seems to really cheapen out on the Legends line or Legends in the elite line. For what purpose would they do that? And how have you not seen these same issues in current roster figures, because they’re definitely there. |
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Post by Rob7274 on Sept 13, 2021 12:52:37 GMT -5
Mattel just seems to really cheapen out on the Legends line or Legends in the elite line. For what purpose would they do that? And how have you not seen these same issues in current roster figures, because they’re definitely there. I’ve just found the issues to be more commen in Legend figures in both the series and elite line. I thought because less people would buy them or/and less produced they cut corners on these figures. It just had me wondering and I thought I’d enquire to others experiences. It’s just really disappointing to know we probably won’t get another Col Mustafa for example and it’s not upto a good quality. |
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Post by Rock-Is-King on Sept 13, 2021 17:10:52 GMT -5
dont worry, the price of Legends figures just went up to $21.99 My local Target is selling Elite LEGENDS for 27 DOLLARS!!!!!
YES TWENTY SEVEN!
$27?? 😳 ….I was selective with who I bought before but if that’s the case they haven’t seen nothing yet |
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Post by Raoul the Great on Sept 14, 2021 12:57:55 GMT -5
There will come a time where they just price themselves out of the market. Toy companies have already priced me mostly out of the market. Once upon a time I could collect wrestling figures and Marvel Legends and Diamond Select/DC Direct figures. Then the wrestling figures went from $8 ($12 for Classic Superstars) to $20, as did Marvel Legends, while Diamond/DC figures went from $18 to $30! The companies claim it’s the cost of shipping and oil for plastics. The price of oil has not skyrocketed to the levels where an over 100% price hike is necessary. People saw specialty figures like DC Direct and Diamond Select command higher prices and decided their products should too, plain and simple. (Prove me wrong Mattel and Hasbro!) Aside from the occasional “too cool to pass up” or clearance figure, I don’t bother buying anything but wrestling. Even that might change. If prices go to $25 (we aren’t far from that point) it will be only new guys that I buy. |
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Sept 14, 2021 15:38:46 GMT -5
There will come a time where they just price themselves out of the market. Toy companies have already priced me mostly out of the market. Once upon a time I could collect wrestling figures and Marvel Legends and Diamond Select/DC Direct figures. Then the wrestling figures went from $8 ($12 for Classic Superstars) to $20, as did Marvel Legends, while Diamond/DC figures went from $18 to $30! The companies claim it’s the cost of shipping and oil for plastics. The price of oil has not skyrocketed to the levels where an over 100% price hike is necessary. People saw specialty figures like DC Direct and Diamond Select command higher prices and decided their products should too, plain and simple. (Prove me wrong Mattel and Hasbro!) Aside from the occasional “too cool to pass up” or clearance figure, I don’t bother buying anything but wrestling. Even that might change. If prices go to $25 (we aren’t far from that point) it will be only new guys that I buy. Same, I'm mostly out of the collector hobby altogether, with increasing prices, worse QC, and difficult availability, it's just not as fun anymore, especially buying online. I've sold most of the stuff I've collected over the years, and pretty much just collect Attitude Era Ultimate Editions and GI joes, but even then it's kind of like "what's the point." |
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 16, 2021 8:14:23 GMT -5
There will come a time where they just price themselves out of the market. Toy companies have already priced me mostly out of the market. Once upon a time I could collect wrestling figures and Marvel Legends and Diamond Select/DC Direct figures. Then the wrestling figures went from $8 ($12 for Classic Superstars) to $20, as did Marvel Legends, while Diamond/DC figures went from $18 to $30! The companies claim it’s the cost of shipping and oil for plastics. The price of oil has not skyrocketed to the levels where an over 100% price hike is necessary. People saw specialty figures like DC Direct and Diamond Select command higher prices and decided their products should too, plain and simple. (Prove me wrong Mattel and Hasbro!) Aside from the occasional “too cool to pass up” or clearance figure, I don’t bother buying anything but wrestling. Even that might change. If prices go to $25 (we aren’t far from that point) it will be only new guys that I buy. Oil is not the deciding factor for figure costs. - New tooling is by far the most expensive, hence why Mattel try to re-use as many parts as possible and if not - they have a budget in a wave to stick to which if eaten by new parts/lots of paint/accessories etc... then they try to cut corners on the other figures. - Paint has gone up in the past 10 years and especially more recently - Worker costs - many factory workers would earn pittance for their labour. They have had their wages increased substantially over the past 20 years - Transport costs - shipping prices and use of shipping containers - these have especially increased this year thanks to the pandemic - Reduced profit margin = higher RRPs. These costs get passed onto retail so they up their prices. They also have to contend with taxes, overheads, rental, shipping costs.... All getting passed onto us. - Licensing costs - eg Disney have increased their licensing for Marvel and especially Star Wars figures, so much so that around 50% of the costs of figures is due to licensing. I don't know what that is for WWE but I bet it's still a considerable factor. There's definitely more, but you get the gist. To only account for oil is pretty short sighted. In the wider discussion: these impacts are not only with Mattel. Hasbro, Lego, Playmates etc.... ALL have been testing ways of reducing their costs. All have worse QC than years past. This also is nothing new for Mattel figures. WWE figures have had these issues going back many years now. So "noticing" them now is just going down the rabbit hole. |
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Post by The One Who Collects on Sept 16, 2021 9:36:51 GMT -5
I now see Target is selling the Ultimates online for 44.99. I used a filter to make sure it wasn't a 3rd party. I can honestly say my threshold for wanting these figures and the prices are reaching a tipping point.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Sept 16, 2021 12:16:06 GMT -5
OH MY GOD ULTIMATES ARE FORTY FIVE DOLLARS?!?!?!?!?!
No no no no no this ain’t happening, I’m done with WWE if this is the way things go, will get WWE RSC exclusives and otherwise be AEW exclusively
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Sept 16, 2021 12:20:20 GMT -5
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 17, 2021 4:45:18 GMT -5
That still doesn't invalidate anything I said, but nice try. |
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 17, 2021 10:19:17 GMT -5
I now see Target is selling the Ultimates online for 44.99. I used a filter to make sure it wasn't a 3rd party. I can honestly say my threshold for wanting these figures and the prices are reaching a tipping point. OH MY GOD ULTIMATES ARE FORTY FIVE DOLLARS?!?!?!?!?! No no no no no this ain’t happening, I’m done with WWE if this is the way things go, will get WWE RSC exclusives and otherwise be AEW exclusively I believe there was a post on one of the other threads with a quote from AFA that this was an error on targets part. Ultimate Edition figures did go up, but I believe the price is $32.99 before tax. |
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Sept 17, 2021 10:50:59 GMT -5
I now see Target is selling the Ultimates online for 44.99. I used a filter to make sure it wasn't a 3rd party. I can honestly say my threshold for wanting these figures and the prices are reaching a tipping point. OH MY GOD ULTIMATES ARE FORTY FIVE DOLLARS?!?!?!?!?! No no no no no this ain’t happening, I’m done with WWE if this is the way things go, will get WWE RSC exclusives and otherwise be AEW exclusively I believe there was a post on one of the other threads with a quote from AFA that this was an error on targets part. Ultimate Edition figures did go up, but I believe the price is $32.99 before tax. Yes I’ve seen that price in stores but what the hell happened on the website |
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 17, 2021 18:40:30 GMT -5
I believe there was a post on one of the other threads with a quote from AFA that this was an error on targets part. Ultimate Edition figures did go up, but I believe the price is $32.99 before tax. Yes I’ve seen that price in stores but what the hell happened on the website Not sure, I just heard on the forum that it was an error. Seems Target made a mistake. |
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Post by Eric on Sept 17, 2021 20:06:41 GMT -5
Toy companies have already priced me mostly out of the market. Once upon a time I could collect wrestling figures and Marvel Legends and Diamond Select/DC Direct figures. Then the wrestling figures went from $8 ($12 for Classic Superstars) to $20, as did Marvel Legends, while Diamond/DC figures went from $18 to $30! The companies claim it’s the cost of shipping and oil for plastics. The price of oil has not skyrocketed to the levels where an over 100% price hike is necessary. People saw specialty figures like DC Direct and Diamond Select command higher prices and decided their products should too, plain and simple. (Prove me wrong Mattel and Hasbro!) Aside from the occasional “too cool to pass up” or clearance figure, I don’t bother buying anything but wrestling. Even that might change. If prices go to $25 (we aren’t far from that point) it will be only new guys that I buy. Oil is not the deciding factor for figure costs. - New tooling is by far the most expensive, hence why Mattel try to re-use as many parts as possible and if not - they have a budget in a wave to stick to which if eaten by new parts/lots of paint/accessories etc... then they try to cut corners on the other figures. - Paint has gone up in the past 10 years and especially more recently - Worker costs - many factory workers would earn pittance for their labour. They have had their wages increased substantially over the past 20 years - Transport costs - shipping prices and use of shipping containers - these have especially increased this year thanks to the pandemic - Reduced profit margin = higher RRPs. These costs get passed onto retail so they up their prices. They also have to contend with taxes, overheads, rental, shipping costs.... All getting passed onto us. - Licensing costs - eg Disney have increased their licensing for Marvel and especially Star Wars figures, so much so that around 50% of the costs of figures is due to licensing. I don't know what that is for WWE but I bet it's still a considerable factor. There's definitely more, but you get the gist. To only account for oil is pretty short sighted. Not saying you're wrong or that I disagree, just that it's almost like companies shouldn't even bother making figures anymore when they talk about all the costs they incur in doing so. And I'm sure you're aware and just didn't mention it (the 'more' that you pointed out), but profit margins are a factor, too. Costs go up to make the toys, but needing (wanting) to make the same or more profit has them raising prices to account for it. The point of a business is to make money, so it's not surprising, but cost for the manufacturer isn't the only reason consumers pay more. |
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 18, 2021 3:30:56 GMT -5
Oil is not the deciding factor for figure costs. - New tooling is by far the most expensive, hence why Mattel try to re-use as many parts as possible and if not - they have a budget in a wave to stick to which if eaten by new parts/lots of paint/accessories etc... then they try to cut corners on the other figures. - Paint has gone up in the past 10 years and especially more recently - Worker costs - many factory workers would earn pittance for their labour. They have had their wages increased substantially over the past 20 years - Transport costs - shipping prices and use of shipping containers - these have especially increased this year thanks to the pandemic - Reduced profit margin = higher RRPs. These costs get passed onto retail so they up their prices. They also have to contend with taxes, overheads, rental, shipping costs.... All getting passed onto us. - Licensing costs - eg Disney have increased their licensing for Marvel and especially Star Wars figures, so much so that around 50% of the costs of figures is due to licensing. I don't know what that is for WWE but I bet it's still a considerable factor. There's definitely more, but you get the gist. To only account for oil is pretty short sighted. Not saying you're wrong or that I disagree, just that it's almost like companies shouldn't even bother making figures anymore when they talk about all the costs they incur in doing so. And I'm sure you're aware and just didn't mention it (the 'more' that you pointed out), but profit margins are a factor, too. Costs go up to make the toys, but needing (wanting) to make the same or more profit has them raising prices to account for it. The point of a business is to make money, so it's not surprising, but cost for the manufacturer isn't the only reason consumers pay more. I did mention it. Check the bold. And the whole point of my post was to show that costs are rising, therefore they try to reduce the burden on their budget if they're keeping the same unit price at retail for their profit margin, or they up their prices. That is LITERALLY what I said so you're duplicating my point. |
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Post by Eric on Sept 18, 2021 9:10:14 GMT -5
Not saying you're wrong or that I disagree, just that it's almost like companies shouldn't even bother making figures anymore when they talk about all the costs they incur in doing so. And I'm sure you're aware and just didn't mention it (the 'more' that you pointed out), but profit margins are a factor, too. Costs go up to make the toys, but needing (wanting) to make the same or more profit has them raising prices to account for it. The point of a business is to make money, so it's not surprising, but cost for the manufacturer isn't the only reason consumers pay more. I did mention it. Check the bold. And the whole point of my post was to show that costs are rising, therefore they try to reduce the burden on their budget if they're keeping the same unit price at retail for their profit margin, or they up their prices. That is LITERALLY what I said so you're duplicating my point. My mistake. Do you take every post so personally, or are you just so high above everyone else intellectually that you've lost all your patience? Whatever the reason for your snark, you should probably calm down. Or go join Twitter where you'd fit in. |
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Post by TheXtremisT on Sept 18, 2021 11:05:09 GMT -5
I did mention it. Check the bold. And the whole point of my post was to show that costs are rising, therefore they try to reduce the burden on their budget if they're keeping the same unit price at retail for their profit margin, or they up their prices. That is LITERALLY what I said so you're duplicating my point. My mistake. Do you take every post so personally, or are you just so high above everyone else intellectually that you've lost all your patience? Whatever the reason for your snark, you should probably calm down. Or go join Twitter where you'd fit in. Lol. No, I'm already quite calm. But having someone else try to "disprove" or put words in your mouth, especially when you've already accounted for their points, does get tiring. Either way, I'm just entertained by the fact you clearly didn't read what I put and then are trying to call me out for your mistake.... Your response here tells me that you're the one who took it to heart more than me. So out of the 2 of us, take your own advice, junior. |
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Post by Eric on Sept 18, 2021 12:34:43 GMT -5
My mistake. Do you take every post so personally, or are you just so high above everyone else intellectually that you've lost all your patience? Whatever the reason for your snark, you should probably calm down. Or go join Twitter where you'd fit in. Lol. No, I'm already quite calm. But having someone else try to "disprove" or put words in your mouth, especially when you've already accounted for their points, does get tiring. Either way, I'm just entertained by the fact you clearly didn't read what I put and then are trying to call me out for your mistake.... Your response here tells me that you're the one who took it to heart more than me. So out of the 2 of us, take your own advice, junior. Too defensive. My inital response was adding to yours, not attempting to disprove anything or speak for you (it's a message board, and we respond with quotes sometimes; it's really okay). My next response was acknowledging my mistake and telling you to chill out because you overreacted. And this response is pointing out how weak it is that you called me "junior" (did you come up with that on your own? I've never heard it said on the internet before) but also did the equivalent of "I'm not stupid, you're stupid!" in the sentence right before it. But I used to do that, too. When I was in elementary school. "Lol!" |
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