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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Nov 19, 2021 19:18:03 GMT -5
If this means more spots for potentially more Macho and Warrior have opened up in future waves then I’m all for these cuts. Get rid of all the bloat so more proven stars can get made. There’s already too many of Warrior and Savage still left to make Fixed it for you |
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Post by crush on Nov 19, 2021 19:34:06 GMT -5
Losing job does not mean losing income. They are entitled to unemployment benefits and can probably work elsewhere when the time is right Exactly. They’re still getting paid their minimum guarantee during their no-compete time period. If they’re talented then they’ll find work elsewhere. If not, then it probably wasn’t the profession they needed to be in anyway. Am I rooting for more cuts? No. But when discussing how it impacts action figure collecting in an action figure forum, then when there’s a mass release of talent from the current roster then it can only be a positive for those who collect legends. Unless it means that the line will be more focused on the current names that are presumably locked in and not going anywhere (Roman, Rollins, Drew, Big E, etc.) Also, if "budget cuts" are going to keep being a driving force (whether to sell the company or just goose the stock price) I fear we're going to see a lot of legends deals just be allowed to expire without being renewed. |
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Post by secondwhiteline on Nov 19, 2021 20:00:35 GMT -5
Exactly. They’re still getting paid their minimum guarantee during their no-compete time period. If they’re talented then they’ll find work elsewhere. If not, then it probably wasn’t the profession they needed to be in anyway. Am I rooting for more cuts? No. But when discussing how it impacts action figure collecting in an action figure forum, then when there’s a mass release of talent from the current roster then it can only be a positive for those who collect legends. Unless it means that the line will be more focused on the current names that are presumably locked in and not going anywhere (Roman, Rollins, Drew, Big E, etc.) Also, if "budget cuts" are going to keep being a driving force (whether to sell the company or just goose the stock price) I fear we're going to see a lot of legends deals just be allowed to expire without being renewed. I'd imagine the Legends deals are safe, they're basically just licensing deals. I'm sure they make back much more than what they're worth in t-shirt sales alone.
But yeah, even putting aside the coldness of that particular argument, roster cuts are not going to change the ratio of current talent to Legends in the line. I mean, obviously. Cuts change the people available to make figures of, but they don't change the people buying the figures, nor the wishes of the licensor. The line's still going to skew towards modern talent. If the roster was just down to Roman Reigns sitting in a wasteland, the Elite waves would still be 1 Reigns, 1 Legend, and 4 tumbleweeds.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Nov 19, 2021 20:39:20 GMT -5
Exactly. They’re still getting paid their minimum guarantee during their no-compete time period. If they’re talented then they’ll find work elsewhere. If not, then it probably wasn’t the profession they needed to be in anyway. Am I rooting for more cuts? No. But when discussing how it impacts action figure collecting in an action figure forum, then when there’s a mass release of talent from the current roster then it can only be a positive for those who collect legends. Unless it means that the line will be more focused on the current names that are presumably locked in and not going anywhere (Roman, Rollins, Drew, Big E, etc.) Also, if "budget cuts" are going to keep being a driving force (whether to sell the company or just goose the stock price) I fear we're going to see a lot of legends deals just be allowed to expire without being renewed. I would imagine with this newest contract extension Mattel negotiated X amount of new talent signed over the course of the deal. |
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Post by stc13 on Nov 19, 2021 20:44:29 GMT -5
Exactly. They’re still getting paid their minimum guarantee during their no-compete time period. If they’re talented then they’ll find work elsewhere. If not, then it probably wasn’t the profession they needed to be in anyway. Am I rooting for more cuts? No. But when discussing how it impacts action figure collecting in an action figure forum, then when there’s a mass release of talent from the current roster then it can only be a positive for those who collect legends. Unless it means that the line will be more focused on the current names that are presumably locked in and not going anywhere (Roman, Rollins, Drew, Big E, etc.) Also, if "budget cuts" are going to keep being a driving force (whether to sell the company or just goose the stock price) I fear we're going to see a lot of legends deals just be allowed to expire without being renewed. This. Mattel would be crazy to not be rethinking their strategy, especially when they've put a lot of focus into incorporating FTIL and NXT talent over the last couple of years. You don't want to time and costs into a large number of figures that get scrapped. And for every figure we've seen revealed that may or may not get made, there are probably half a dozen in the design pipeline where scans or early sculpting are done and need aborted. Legends deals are cost effective, but all but the top merch movers are low ROI. I could absolutely see them wanting to show a robust ROI on merch and cutting some of the fat. And overall, at least for me, it just kills interest. I'm somebody who doesn't buy more than 1-2 figures of all but my top top top favorites, but I will buy many/most FTIL. A lot of the releases are folks that I would love to have in figure form. And many of the wrestlers who remain are ones I already own and am very unlikely to buy again. It's hard to get invested in collecting when you can't count on some of your new favorites to have a job in 6 months, let alone ever get a figure. |
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Nov 19, 2021 22:28:28 GMT -5
It's sad but WWE sees nothing in the talent these days since their getting big guaranteed TV rights money and can produce rubbish TV weekly. Prior to these TV rights deals WWE needed to produce new stars, have awesome feuds and good storylines in order to make more money than what USA, Spike and UPN etc once paid for rights in the past.
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Post by kgchampion on Nov 20, 2021 2:12:06 GMT -5
These releases got me caring less and less about new talent. Why take a chance on buying them if they’re probably going to get fired? I think I’m gonna stop my collection at about WM 2020. I already stopped watching the show. I’m not going to bother getting invested in new people anymore. If a new figure of existing talent comes along that looks like it can fit in 2020, I’ll pick it up. But I’m probably done with brand new gimmicks unless it looks really cool. I’ll probably just mostly stick to flashbacks.
Maybe I’ll start collecting AEW instead.
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Post by hellojoeivers on Nov 20, 2021 6:10:48 GMT -5
Last time we had a post like this I said that if I’m Mattel, I’m pissed off that I’ve spent time and money on something that either isn’t going to be made, or is going to rot the shelves because that person isn’t around anymore.
To build on that, I checked Smyths website here in the UK. Across their stores, they have 342 Swerve Scott figures in stock. Not including the ones available for online order (342 is a small number if you live in the States, but we’re a small county).
They will not be able to give those figures away. That’s in addition to the fact that the shelves have plenty of Keith Lee, Karrion Kross, Tegan Knox, Murphy and Fiend figures still sitting pretty. If you’re a retailer, you have to be starting to reconsider things
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Post by LA Times on Nov 20, 2021 8:05:48 GMT -5
Last time we had a post like this I said that if I’m Mattel, I’m pissed off that I’ve spent time and money on something that either isn’t going to be made, or is going to rot the shelves because that person isn’t around anymore. To build on that, I checked Smyths website here in the UK. Across their stores, they have 342 Swerve Scott figures in stock. Not including the ones available for online order (342 is a small number if you live in the States, but we’re a small county). They will not be able to give those figures away. That’s in addition to the fact that the shelves have plenty of Keith Lee, Karrion Kross, Tegan Knox, Murphy and Fiend figures still sitting pretty. If you’re a retailer, you have to be starting to reconsider things Oh my. Roderick strong is featured on TV, but his B116 figure doesn't seem to be selling. This doesn't look good for figures of wrestlers who just got cut. |
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Post by Matt Culture on Nov 20, 2021 8:59:55 GMT -5
I Honestly believe WWE is making these cuts, because they are about to sell to either Fox or Peacock. They are freeing up as much money as possible and are getting rid of the talent, they do not have storylines for currently
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Post by kinnikuman on Nov 20, 2021 12:20:20 GMT -5
The beginning of the end?
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Post by deskjet on Nov 20, 2021 12:28:25 GMT -5
No it means losing your job. Income can be attained other ways and often does after losing a job It means losing a significant source of income. Exactly what are you trying to prove here? It sucks to lose a job. Even for people who are likely going to find work elsewhere. There's no guarantee future work is going to be paid as well or be as consistent as a contract with the industry leader. A lot of these people are going to land on their feet pretty well, but not everyone will. Well if you care so much give them some of your paycheck:) |
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Post by isloth on Nov 20, 2021 16:36:04 GMT -5
It’s a bummer we never got an Elite Swerve figure. Makes me wonder if we’ll ever get guy likes Grimes or Lumis since they’ve been due for ages. I’m glad we got Bronson Reed just before it was too late.
I was hoping we’d get an improved Morrison figure at some point since the last one didn’t have a neck.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Nov 20, 2021 21:23:37 GMT -5
It’s going to be very interesting how they choose lineups going forward
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Post by LK3 on Nov 20, 2021 21:28:54 GMT -5
It’s going to be very interesting how they choose lineups going forward I’m down for a drip Seth Rollins in each set going forward. |
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Post by ilikekqueen on Nov 20, 2021 22:14:29 GMT -5
It’s a bummer we never got an Elite Swerve figure. Makes me wonder if we’ll ever get guy likes Grimes or Lumis since they’ve been due for ages. I’m glad we got Bronson Reed just before it was too late. I was hoping we’d get an improved Morrison figure at some point since the last one didn’t have a neck. I’m not sure if you’re into customizing but he’s a pretty easy guy to make customs of with decals. He’s got a pretty simple formula. All you need is the Basic Head, Rich Swann body, and some decals from Curb Stomp. And if you’re going for his Hit Row/2020 look Dorado knees. But I feel you. I’m waiting for a Grimes and a Elite Toni Storm but I don’t think we’ll get one before they inevitably cut her |
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Post by mrh on Nov 20, 2021 23:17:55 GMT -5
Bobby Fish still getting released makes me think WWE doesn't care if some released guys get figs, so Mattel will probably keep planning as usual, not anticipating people getting cut or leaving...
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Post by kinnikuman on Nov 21, 2021 0:03:51 GMT -5
Of course they don't care. Why would they?
Again, as long as the wrestler has signed a merchandise deal with WWE, Mattel gets to make the figure no matter what WWE does with that wrestler. Yes, there are instances where that hasn't happened but more times than not you'll get the figure. The merch contract secures WWE the rights to make it. The wrestler's new company can't do a thing about it. And it only benefits WWE to have the figure come out as it will get them more sales. And they care more about that than some weird "advertising of a rival" the figure might create. I mean, there are almost 10 that have recently come out where that wrestler is no longer employed by the WWE but we got the figure anyway.
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Post by Angel Beast on Nov 21, 2021 2:48:33 GMT -5
Someone correct me if I’m wrong cause I could be miss-remembering but I could have sworn Tegan Nox had an elite coming out like there was a grey scale prototype render of her shown a while back.
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Post by newgenandy on Nov 21, 2021 7:46:54 GMT -5
Last time we had a post like this I said that if I’m Mattel, I’m pissed off that I’ve spent time and money on something that either isn’t going to be made, or is going to rot the shelves because that person isn’t around anymore. To build on that, I checked Smyths website here in the UK. Across their stores, they have 342 Swerve Scott figures in stock. Not including the ones available for online order (342 is a small number if you live in the States, but we’re a small county). They will not be able to give those figures away. That’s in addition to the fact that the shelves have plenty of Keith Lee, Karrion Kross, Tegan Knox, Murphy and Fiend figures still sitting pretty. If you’re a retailer, you have to be starting to reconsider things And too add on this those figures won’t move and smiths are interested in the reasons why they are just interested if they move or not. When they don’t it hampers getting the more premium lines in |
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