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Post by Di-Di-Dis-Distribution Problem on Jan 19, 2022 0:56:06 GMT -5
Jesus, $45 is steep. No way I can splurge unless it's a Herc! Hear that Zombie!
$45 plus shipping is going to kill the line before it begins. Dead in the water...
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Post by Jonny Flashback on Jan 19, 2022 3:31:30 GMT -5
Imagine if these latest goings on in the BCW line (Clark Pre order delayed, price increase) was ZST. People would be after blood 😅
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Post by Chicago on Jan 19, 2022 4:08:22 GMT -5
Imagine if these latest goings on in the BCW line (Clark Pre order delayed, price increase) was ZST. People would be after blood 😅 I think it’s really easy to say what we would do if we were in their shoes, but not a one of us would want to take on the responsibility and financial burdens of launching our own toy line. As collectors, we want everything to be communicated to us right away and be made to feel as if we’re a part of the process, but truthfully we’re not invested in the way that they are. They have committed so much more of themselves than we have as fans. We can walk away at any time and not have it affect us one way or another. It’s not that simple for them. All I would say to folks who are on the fence and unsure of what to make of this line is just stay informed. Jack from FC posts here frequently and shares updates as much as he can with his busy schedule. Just because something seems bleak one day does not mean it will always be that way. The improvements to Meanie and Clark should serve as examples that FC and Chella are willing to admit their missteps and do the best they can to change course. I don’t expect this will be the last we hear about pricing. |
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Post by Jonny Flashback on Jan 19, 2022 4:38:49 GMT -5
Imagine if these latest goings on in the BCW line (Clark Pre order delayed, price increase) was ZST. People would be after blood 😅 I think it’s really easy to say what we would do if we were in their shoes, but not a one of us would want to take on the responsibility and financial burdens of launching our own toy line. As collectors, we want everything to be communicated to us right away and be made to feel as if we’re a part of the process, but truthfully we’re not invested in the way that they are. They have committed so much more of themselves than we have as fans. We can walk away at any time and not have it affect us one way or another. It’s not that simple for them. All I would say to folks who are on the fence and unsure of what to make of this line is just stay informed. Jack from FC posts here frequently and shares updates as much as he can with his busy schedule. Just because something seems bleak one day does not mean it will always be that way. The improvements to Meanie and Clark should serve as examples that FC and Chella are willing to admit their missteps and do the best they can to change course. I don’t expect this will be the last we hear about pricing. Yeah I'm not knocking Jack or Chella, they have done most stuff right here; and craphappens. I was just in jest comparing it to another thread on here. Just interesting seeing the contrasting reactions to similar actions taken by 2 different toy makers. |
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Post by Warriah' on Jan 19, 2022 8:37:14 GMT -5
$45 is $10 more than a NECA Ultimate, it'd be hard to justify that price for me...
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Jan 19, 2022 8:39:08 GMT -5
Yo! I've heard all the backlash (bca pun) about the price. I'm not looking to be defensive, just transparent:
-the $44.99 price tag was always going to include free shipping to US customers (all items in our web shop & ebay shop have free shipping)
-The majority of orders that come through our site have customers using a 10% off code, so if you live in the US & used the 10% off code, you would've received these for about $41 shipped.
I've had to battle over this, but we've made some adjustments (without cutting corners). The price has been updated to $39.99 free shipping to US Customers, and if you know the discount codes for 10% you can save even more (potentially get the figure for $36 shipped plus sales tax).
I don't want anyone to think BCW is some cash grab on nostalgia. This is a passion project for fans, by fans. I've been involved in the collecting community since 2001. This is my passion. Here's some more rational behind prices:
-These figures are all going to be limited to 2000 pieces or less.
-The costs of production behind series 1 exceed $100k
-The BCW feature was expensive to develop/produce and include with series one. The reality is we can't start a Bone Crushing line and NOT include a Bone Crushing feature.
-When other companies put these out at $4.99 (in 1998), they were re-using the same molds, often not even changing the costume color or updating the head. They were making 50,000+ units of the same action figure/same mold.
-Generally when toy companies work with WWE or AEW, they pay a single license fee, and from there, the wrestling promotion pays royalties to talent. We have to sign license agreements individually with each of our talent and pay royalties directly.
We started this from scratch, any expense that has come so far, we are paying for ourselves without having taken in a dime of pre-order funds. Again, the point of this post isn't to be defensive, just letting everyone know how we came to what we did. I want you all on board with this line so if you have any other questions feel free to ask!
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jan 19, 2022 9:23:39 GMT -5
Imagine if these latest goings on in the BCW line (Clark Pre order delayed, price increase) was ZST. People would be after blood 😅 The difference - for me, at least - is that when faced with these criticisms and/or reservations, Jack/Chella didn't come running to this board to respond with the sort of hostility and arrogant bravado that Zombie did. As best I can see, so far, they've taken a lot of the response they've gotten and happily (at least on the surface) implemented changes in response to the feedback they've received (Clark's legs, Meanie's shirt, the price point, etc). Meanwhile, Zombie's response to people griping about the lack of overseas availability? Maybe we can look forward to more of this from his newly registered account.  It's like comparing apples and freshly grilled steak. |
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Post by onlymoc21 on Jan 19, 2022 10:14:56 GMT -5
I am actually cool with price point on these considering I think the figs will be awesome and the packaging seals it for me. Listen if Major Pod can get away with charging $100 for 4 bendies then Chella are right to ask for this price point.
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Post by Scott! on Jan 19, 2022 10:59:45 GMT -5
I'm fine with the price, it's not a big issue for me in regards to complaining about it. I'm happy to drop £40 every few months on special figures that are limited and that we won't see from anybody else, it's kinda like Super 7 for me. Yes the figures cost less way back, but for those that are diehards of the BCA line, and those just getting started, it's perfect.
I'm not gonna get into comparing Chella to Zombie, because it's not fair to either company but Heels and Faces shipped per figure to the UK is like £60 whereas Chella is £18-20 so is that making Zombies overpriced too? No, not in the minds of those who buy. It works both ways then right?
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Post by Chicago on Jan 19, 2022 12:33:16 GMT -5
The price change is in effect:  Jack shared all of the working 10 percent off discount codes. Here they are: FIGHEEL RUNIN RUN10 RUNINPOD Obviously, you can’t combine them, but just one of those codes will bring the price down to $36. |
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Post by romanthenewyorker on Jan 19, 2022 13:49:39 GMT -5
$45 is $10 more than a NECA Ultimate, it'd be hard to justify that price for me... Not trying to dig at anyone particularly here, but it seems like the majority of the Wrestlefig community has this outlook^ And it’s a disservice to the community and independent creators trying to put forth a Great product that didn’t exist prior. Everyone should be lining up to support Chella, ZST, JSD & even Super7 because they’re the people who are truly filling the voids of our collections. Comparing these smaller fresh faced companies to likes of Mattel, Hasbro, Neca Etc. Is silly, those companies make Thousandssssssss of figures at a time, they have stroke in the factories because of their volume and they’re also dealing with licenses that deal with Millions of dollars in annual sales with the biggest corporation store fronts pretty much guaranteed to buy from them. I would hope wrestling toy enthusiasts would understand if they open their mind a little bit - these Indy wrestling toy co.‘s are charging you a fair price and that’s the reflection of true market value & that the larger toy companies aren’t providing the same hardcore - stylized niches that these indy companies are. I’m excited to support all of these lines because it’s average wrestling fans behind it, their enthusiasm for these toys inspired them to create it at any cost & in some cases they’re doing it better than the corporations. |
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 19, 2022 14:16:29 GMT -5
At least we’re being told about delays not having it glossed over or ignored
Where I think chella have gone wrong with this is including the action.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think any of the hasbro-like lines have included mechanisms? It will add cost on both for development and actual production to have the mechanism.
No one (especially at $40+) are buying these for play, they will be displayed. Does it really matter if it has the one crunching/crushing action? If not how much would it knock each unit price down?
If fluctuated on this line, there’s a lot to like but it’s been very bumpy and far from perfect. Listening to feedback is good, but you don’t want too much feedback because it means your vision isn’t matching your customers
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Post by Warriah' on Jan 19, 2022 14:35:31 GMT -5
$45 is $10 more than a NECA Ultimate, it'd be hard to justify that price for me... Everyone should be lining up to support Chella, ZST, JSD & even Super7 because they’re the people who are truly filling the voids of our collections. Sorry but I strongly disagree with this. The job of anybody providing a service or product is to make it both competitive and affordable. I’m not ‘lining up’ to support anyone. Support is earned not given willy nilly. If I can get a better quality, more accurate, more fulfilling product elsewhere for a significantly cheaper cost I am far more inclined to whoever is delivering the better product every time. At the end of the day this is just a hobby, and you have to ask yourself where you’d draw the line on the prices based on some weird loyalty to a brand that’s been around for all of five minutes. My money will go where I want it to go. Not everyone has to agree but that’s certainly how I feel. |
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Post by Chicago on Jan 19, 2022 14:52:46 GMT -5
At least we’re being told about delays not having it glossed over or ignored Where I think chella have gone wrong with this is including the action. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think any of the hasbro-like lines have included mechanisms? It will add cost on both for development and actual production to have the mechanism. No one (especially at $40+) are buying these for play, they will be displayed. Does it really matter if it has the one crunching/crushing action? If not how much would it knock each unit price down? If fluctuated on this line, there’s a lot to like but it’s been very bumpy and far from perfect. Listening to feedback is good, but you don’t want too much feedback because it means your vision isn’t matching your customers It’s a valid point. The mechanism is costing everyone more. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it though because I still feel the price is reasonable. I’d like to be able to test it out for myself before casting judgment on its effectiveness. No, it’s not mandatory for producing this style of figure, but if FC and Chella were to decide at a later time that it’s not in their best interests to continue with the bone-crushing feature, the branding of the line would need to be changed. It would be disingenuous to market it in the same way if the figures are without that function. |
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Post by crush on Jan 19, 2022 14:55:47 GMT -5
Truthfully, I'm surprised anyone is shocked at this price-point. It's pretty much in-line with everything we know about the process of these low-run. toys are made.
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 19, 2022 15:02:02 GMT -5
Truthfully, I'm surprised anyone is shocked at this price-point. It's pretty much in-line with everything we know about the process of these low-run. toys are made. I think it’s when it gets to the $45 point That extra $5 makes a difference perception wise and if your talking about getting say 4 /5 figures in a set all of a sudden it’s an extra $20/$25 |
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Post by crush on Jan 19, 2022 15:19:31 GMT -5
Truthfully, I'm surprised anyone is shocked at this price-point. It's pretty much in-line with everything we know about the process of these low-run. toys are made. I think it’s when it gets to the $45 point That extra $5 makes a difference perception wise and if your talking about getting say 4 /5 figures in a set all of a sudden it’s an extra $20/$25 I do get it, but it almost seems like semantics at that point. Not that I'm not poo-pooing the value of money by any means, but I feel like it's more a sticker shock reaction than actually being able to afford the difference. Truth be told, taking opinions positive or negative on the people out of it, I think all these retro lines (Chella, Zombie, Major Pod Bendems) have been pretty fairly priced. |
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Post by Chicago on Jan 19, 2022 15:28:03 GMT -5
Everyone should be lining up to support Chella, ZST, JSD & even Super7 because they’re the people who are truly filling the voids of our collections. Sorry but I strongly disagree with this. The job of anybody providing a service or product is to make it both competitive and affordable. I’m not ‘lining up’ to support anyone. Support is earned not given willy nilly. If I can get a better quality, more accurate, more fulfilling product elsewhere for a significantly cheaper cost I am far more inclined to whoever is delivering the better product every time. At the end of the day this is just a hobby, and you have to ask yourself where you’d draw the line on the prices based on some weird loyalty to a brand that’s been around for all of five minutes. My money will go where I want it to go. Not everyone has to agree but that’s certainly how I feel. Not really sure where being a fan of something equates to expressing blind loyalty. It’s fine if you have your own personal preferences. You can just say that and no one will disagree with you. But for those of us that do want to collect them, you go into it knowing that not everything will be exactly to your liking. It’s the best chance we have to own new figures in a style not unlike the ones we grew up loving. I have a great appreciation for all that it took to get us to this point. The day I take any of this for granted, I want someone to e-slap me across the face and remind me of how easily this all could have gone unfulfilled. |
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 19, 2022 15:53:52 GMT -5
I think it’s when it gets to the $45 point That extra $5 makes a difference perception wise and if your talking about getting say 4 /5 figures in a set all of a sudden it’s an extra $20/$25 I do get it, but it almost seems like semantics at that point. Not that I'm not poo-pooing the value of money by any means, but I feel like it's more a sticker shock reaction than actually being able to afford the difference. Truth be told, taking opinions positive or negative on the people out of it, I think all these retro lines (Chella, Zombie, Major Pod Bendems) have been pretty fairly priced. Yeah in general I agree and it is somewhat semantics, I guess it’s like the 99p thing where if it’s 0.99 you say under a quid but if it’s 1.99 it’s a couple of quid - it’s more a perception thing. But to some degree as you say it is splitting hairs but I do think 45 makes prople think more than 40 would be so it’s no so much an afford things but a pulling the trigger or thinking about purchasing thing And yeah in the whole I think all lines are pretty decently priced |
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Post by Warriah' on Jan 19, 2022 17:52:37 GMT -5
Sorry but I strongly disagree with this. The job of anybody providing a service or product is to make it both competitive and affordable. I’m not ‘lining up’ to support anyone. Support is earned not given willy nilly. If I can get a better quality, more accurate, more fulfilling product elsewhere for a significantly cheaper cost I am far more inclined to whoever is delivering the better product every time. At the end of the day this is just a hobby, and you have to ask yourself where you’d draw the line on the prices based on some weird loyalty to a brand that’s been around for all of five minutes. My money will go where I want it to go. Not everyone has to agree but that’s certainly how I feel. Not really sure where being a fan of something equates to expressing blind loyalty. It’s fine if you have your own personal preferences. You can just say that and no one will disagree with you. But for those of us that do want to collect them, you go into it knowing that not everything will be exactly to your liking. It’s the best chance we have to own new figures in a style not unlike the ones we grew up loving. I have a great appreciation for all that it took to get us to this point. The day I take any of this for granted, I want someone to e-slap me across the face and remind me of how easily this all could have gone unfulfilled. I have no issue with anyone being fine with the price point, or wanting to collect these lines. My issue was with "everyone should be lining up to support Chella, ZST, JSD & even Super7". |
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I dont know good luck 
