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Post by jason88cubs on Dec 3, 2021 13:23:25 GMT -5
This had to be the end of ECW right?
I mean what a awful ppv
1D Stevie Richards defeated René Duprée[27] Singles match –
2 The Hardys (Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy) defeated MNM (Joey Mercury and Johnny Nitro) (with Melina)[28] Tag team match 22:33
3 Balls Mahoney defeated Matt Striker Striker's Rules match 7:12
4 Elijah Burke and Sylvester Terkay defeated The F.B.I. (Little Guido and Tony Mamaluke) (with Trinity)[34] Tag team match 6:41
5 Daivari (with The Great Khali) defeated Tommy Dreamer[35] Singles match 7:22
6 Ariel and Kevin Thorn defeated Kelly Kelly and Mike Knox[36] Mixed tag team match 7:43
7 Bobby Lashley defeated Big Show (c) (with Paul Heyman), Test, Rob Van Dam, Hardcore Holly, and CM Punk[37]
It could have been so much better.
Heyman , if i recall wanted Big Show out early and be taken out by Punk who would be built up and Punk was suppose to win.And no Sandman match!!!
Had to be the sign that this was not ECW
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Post by Its Tiffy Time on Dec 3, 2021 13:27:31 GMT -5
Bobby Lashley was the original Roman Reigns.
I also remember Heyman and Vince arguing afterwards on the way to RAW the next night lol. What a mess.
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Post by drifter on Dec 3, 2021 13:29:23 GMT -5
This had to be the end of ECW right? I mean what a awful ppv 1D Stevie Richards defeated René Duprée[27] Singles match –
2 The Hardys (Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy) defeated MNM (Joey Mercury and Johnny Nitro) (with Melina)[28] Tag team match 22:33
3 Balls Mahoney defeated Matt Striker Striker's Rules match 7:12
4 Elijah Burke and Sylvester Terkay defeated The F.B.I. (Little Guido and Tony Mamaluke) (with Trinity)[34] Tag team match 6:41
5 Daivari (with The Great Khali) defeated Tommy Dreamer[35] Singles match 7:22
6 Ariel and Kevin Thorn defeated Kelly Kelly and Mike Knox[36] Mixed tag team match 7:43
7 Bobby Lashley defeated Big Show (c) (with Paul Heyman), Test, Rob Van Dam, Hardcore Holly, and CM Punk[37] It could have been so much better. Heyman , if i recall wanted Big Show out early and be taken out by Punk who would be built up and Punk was suppose to win.And no Sandman match!!! Had to be the sign that this was not ECW
He wanted Punk to eliminate Show within the first 5 minutes, and by submission too. His plan was the make Punk that night. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 3, 2021 13:58:26 GMT -5
Vince got what he wanted after that. Fans no longer chanted, "ECW! ECW! ECW!" during his Monday Night Raw or Smackdown shows. Because nobody gave a crap about ECW then.
I remember watching this PPV live. I think I watched it one time after that too. The only good thing out of it was the tag team match with the Hardy's vs. MNM.
But anything that tried to represent the original ECW definitely died that night. For the WWECW was now the brand for sure after that night.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 3, 2021 15:16:06 GMT -5
Wow…can you imagine, the FAKE ECW is now 15 years old! I remember at THAT time thinking the real ECW was ages ago haha and it was only dead for about 5 years…that’s crazyness.
That PPV was awful, it was the true official death of ECW. It signified that WWE had no plans to cater to a different fan, this was the golden opportunity to showcase how it is a different program. Big muscular guys wasn’t what that brand was about, in the 90’s they literally had Brakkus on the ECW roster to visually drive home that point.
I didn’t like the Harry’s & MNM being on the though they arguably had the best match! I wanted ECW to truly be it’s own thing, even if the RAW & Smackdown guys were on the ECW roster, I wanted it to be its own brand. Having Raw/ Smackdown matches on the ECW shows just ruined the illusion further that this wasn’t ECW, it was just a 3rd program of WWE…and it was regardless I guess.
But yea, this was the end of my interest in the new ECW. And it started out so authentic too, SABU no showed the PPV, everyone suspected he was dead…it was just like an old ECW PPV haha, jk. But that was a show that had no direction, AT ALL, and once RVD and Punk got eliminated & it was down to Test, Big Show & Lashley….me and my brothers turned it off haha. I paid for it and I literally didn’t care to see the conclusion. And I didn’t watch ECW after that other than when Dreamer won the belt because I felt Dreamer deserved to be seen as weird as that sounds haha, I felt I owed it to him to watch.
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Post by ICW on Dec 3, 2021 15:42:25 GMT -5
The Board was on fire that evening
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Post by Evil Abed on Dec 3, 2021 15:46:30 GMT -5
ECW was dead long before this. When WWE decided to run ECW One Night Stand II you could tell it was no longer about reunions, memories, etc… it was all about the profits. Vince couldn’t understand what was special about it and once again tried to take something organic and WWE-ize it.
RVD winning the WWE title by a screwy finish with Paul Heyman as a referee was about all you needed to see to know where it was going. If that hadn’t convinced you the Zombie and DQ finishes should have on night one of ECW on Sci-Fi. Still not sure, how about we make Big Show world champ and push Hardcore Holly and Test? Wow you’re still here, are you sure you were looking for ECW and not Raw or Smackdown, or perhaps with the talent we’re giving you maybe you thought Velocity was still around? STILL HERE? How about we make paying customers sit through legendary matches like Balls Mahoney vs. Matt Striker, and Daivari vs. Tommy Dreamer. Ok we’re going to have to take a guy like Sabu who’s been through barb wire death matches and make it seem like someone attacked him in the back so we can kick him out of the Chamber and replace him with Spark Plug Bob Holly, yeah the fans will love that.
If what was said on WWE Untold is true that, it is very interesting that Shane McMahon essentially tried to promote ECW as an internet only show. Looking back now, he was so far ahead of the times considering what we have now with the Network, streaming services, etc…
Side note: Does anyone remember, was there ever a rumor of a second ECW PPV before this one absolutely nosedived at 500mph into the ground or did it not get that far?
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 3, 2021 15:47:41 GMT -5
The Board was on fire that evening I remember vividly being in a wrestling AOL chat room that night haha (pre WFIGS) and a 2 guys who I am still friends with believe it or not, would always come into my chat and be like, “This ECW is gonna suck, TOLD YOU! “ lol I ate crow that night, like yup, I should have believed you haha. ECW was dead long before this. When WWE decided to run ECW One Night Stand II you could tell it was no longer about reunions, memories, etc… it was all about the profits. Vince couldn’t understand what was special about it and once again tried to take something organic and WWE-ize it. RVD winning the WWE title by a screwy finish with Paul Heyman as a referee was about all you needed to see to know where it was going. If that hadn’t convinced you the Zombie and DQ finishes should have on night one of ECW on Sci-Fi. Still not sure, how about we make Big Show world champ and push Hardcore Holly and Test? Wow you’re still here, are you sure you were looking for ECW and not Raw or Smackdown, or perhaps with the talent we’re giving you maybe you thought Velocity was still around? STILL HERE? How about we make paying customers sit through legendary matches like Balls Mahoney vs. Matt Striker, and Daivari vs. Tommy Dreamer. Ok we’re going to have to take a guy like Sabu who’s been through barb wire death matches and make it seem like someone attacked him in the back so we can kick him out of the Chamber and replace him with Spark Plug Bob Holly, yeah the fans will love that. If what was said on WWE Untold is true that, it is very interesting that Shane McMahon essentially tried to promote ECW as an internet only show. Looking back now, he was so far ahead of the times considering what we have now with the Network, streaming services, etc… Side note: Does anyone remember, was there ever a rumor of a second ECW PPV before this one absolutely nosedived at 500mph into the ground or did it not get that far? I don’t recall their being ANY information of a 2nd PPV. And yea, you’re 100% right, ECW died on night 1. I still enjoyed ONS, and although it wasn’t a good ECW PPV, it was a tremendous ECW vs WWE PPV and that dynamic almost makes it better than the first for me. Not only could I root FOR RVD, I could root AGAINST John Cena! That was a spectacular atmosphere. But ECW it wasn’t, I agree |
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Post by jason88cubs on Dec 3, 2021 17:32:55 GMT -5
ECW was dead long before this. When WWE decided to run ECW One Night Stand II you could tell it was no longer about reunions, memories, etc… it was all about the profits. Vince couldn’t understand what was special about it and once again tried to take something organic and WWE-ize it. RVD winning the WWE title by a screwy finish with Paul Heyman as a referee was about all you needed to see to know where it was going. If that hadn’t convinced you the Zombie and DQ finishes should have on night one of ECW on Sci-Fi. Still not sure, how about we make Big Show world champ and push Hardcore Holly and Test? Wow you’re still here, are you sure you were looking for ECW and not Raw or Smackdown, or perhaps with the talent we’re giving you maybe you thought Velocity was still around? STILL HERE? How about we make paying customers sit through legendary matches like Balls Mahoney vs. Matt Striker, and Daivari vs. Tommy Dreamer. Ok we’re going to have to take a guy like Sabu who’s been through barb wire death matches and make it seem like someone attacked him in the back so we can kick him out of the Chamber and replace him with Spark Plug Bob Holly, yeah the fans will love that. If what was said on WWE Untold is true that, it is very interesting that Shane McMahon essentially tried to promote ECW as an internet only show. Looking back now, he was so far ahead of the times considering what we have now with the Network, streaming services, etc… Side note: Does anyone remember, was there ever a rumor of a second ECW PPV before this one absolutely nosedived at 500mph into the ground or did it not get that far? I don't recall a 2nd PPV, if anything it was gonna end ECW |
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 3, 2021 23:20:45 GMT -5
Until Over the Edge 99 popped up on the network this was one of only 2 PPV events Ive never seen..Now its the only one
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Post by drifter on Dec 3, 2021 23:22:13 GMT -5
ECW was dead long before this. When WWE decided to run ECW One Night Stand II you could tell it was no longer about reunions, memories, etc… it was all about the profits. Vince couldn’t understand what was special about it and once again tried to take something organic and WWE-ize it. RVD winning the WWE title by a screwy finish with Paul Heyman as a referee was about all you needed to see to know where it was going. If that hadn’t convinced you the Zombie and DQ finishes should have on night one of ECW on Sci-Fi. Still not sure, how about we make Big Show world champ and push Hardcore Holly and Test? Wow you’re still here, are you sure you were looking for ECW and not Raw or Smackdown, or perhaps with the talent we’re giving you maybe you thought Velocity was still around? STILL HERE? How about we make paying customers sit through legendary matches like Balls Mahoney vs. Matt Striker, and Daivari vs. Tommy Dreamer. Ok we’re going to have to take a guy like Sabu who’s been through barb wire death matches and make it seem like someone attacked him in the back so we can kick him out of the Chamber and replace him with Spark Plug Bob Holly, yeah the fans will love that. If what was said on WWE Untold is true that, it is very interesting that Shane McMahon essentially tried to promote ECW as an internet only show. Looking back now, he was so far ahead of the times considering what we have now with the Network, streaming services, etc…
Side note: Does anyone remember, was there ever a rumor of a second ECW PPV before this one absolutely nosedived at 500mph into the ground or did it not get that far?I remember before Shane left on that hiatus from the company, I saw someone comparing in terms of how Shane and Stephanie had their visions of booking. Stephanie was basically a female Vince, taking after his over the top stuff Vince loves, which we've obviously seen over the years. While on the other side Shane was more like a Paul Heyman, presenting wrestling in a more realistic fashion. I think that's part of what led to him leaving the company and going off on his own. In terms of another ECW PPV, I remembering hearing December to Dismember was almost a test. If the PPV had succeeded they might have done another, but with how bad it was, it killed the shot of any more after that. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 4, 2021 17:31:44 GMT -5
ECW was dead long before this. When WWE decided to run ECW One Night Stand II you could tell it was no longer about reunions, memories, etc… it was all about the profits. Vince couldn’t understand what was special about it and once again tried to take something organic and WWE-ize it. RVD winning the WWE title by a screwy finish with Paul Heyman as a referee was about all you needed to see to know where it was going. If that hadn’t convinced you the Zombie and DQ finishes should have on night one of ECW on Sci-Fi. Still not sure, how about we make Big Show world champ and push Hardcore Holly and Test? Wow you’re still here, are you sure you were looking for ECW and not Raw or Smackdown, or perhaps with the talent we’re giving you maybe you thought Velocity was still around? STILL HERE? How about we make paying customers sit through legendary matches like Balls Mahoney vs. Matt Striker, and Daivari vs. Tommy Dreamer. Ok we’re going to have to take a guy like Sabu who’s been through barb wire death matches and make it seem like someone attacked him in the back so we can kick him out of the Chamber and replace him with Spark Plug Bob Holly, yeah the fans will love that. If what was said on WWE Untold is true that, it is very interesting that Shane McMahon essentially tried to promote ECW as an internet only show. Looking back now, he was so far ahead of the times considering what we have now with the Network, streaming services, etc…
Side note: Does anyone remember, was there ever a rumor of a second ECW PPV before this one absolutely nosedived at 500mph into the ground or did it not get that far?I remember before Shane left on that hiatus from the company, I saw someone comparing in terms of how Shane and Stephanie had their visions of booking. Stephanie was basically a female Vince, taking after his over the top stuff Vince loves, which we've obviously seen over the years. While on the other side Shane was more like a Paul Heyman, presenting wrestling in a more realistic fashion. I think that's part of what led to him leaving the company and going off on his own. In terms of another ECW PPV, I remembering hearing December to Dismember was almost a test. If the PPV had succeeded they might have done another, but with how bad it was, it killed the shot of any more after that.
To be fair though, once 2007 hit, the WWE stopped running brand only PPVs. Every PPV was all the brands on it. So there was no way there would be an only ECW PPV happening anyhow - whether December To Dismember was a success or not.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 7, 2021 20:23:47 GMT -5
Removing Sabu from the Chamber really pissed me off and was downright false advertising. I know he wasn't booked to win, but he would've been so entertaining to watch in that match.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Dec 8, 2021 3:40:01 GMT -5
This was the best fight there was all night
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